Suns Begin Trade Talks Involving Amare

This is the NBA, you know this is the kind of deal that will happen.

This is the NBA, you know this is the kind of deal that will happen.

you forgot the `09 and `10 first round picks that phoenix will send

Sweet, I started a trade machine frenzy.

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^Please, basketball gods.

lol would never happen, stupid trade for suns!

Have you not heard of the Gasol-Kwame deal?

You're comparing the Lakers to the Raptors?

This is the NBA, you know this is the kind of deal that will happen.

Pffff... No way NYK will give up King James for Amare.

Good trade scenario though, if the Suns choose to go for another center like Curry, quite reasonable trade.


I don't think the Suns will bite any offers untill something really great comes up, and the scenarios that are offered in this thread are somewhat failures for the Suns. If they have to give up Amare, the Suns will look for something really worthwhile. Otherwise, I don't think the Suns will pull off any trade. For now, I'd say they're just flirting with the market and see what comes up.

You're comparing the Lakers to the Raptors?

What I meant to say was, any deal is possible, hence the Gasol-Kwame trade reference.

I suppose he's going to Chicago or San Antonio, since GMs trade their star players to their former teams (LA, Boston)

Supposedly the Bulls and Heat are pursuing him the hardest in discussions with the Suns.

Aaah, I'd love Amare alongside DWade.

I made my own trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Chicago receives: Amare Stoudemire and Corey Maggete
Golden State: Drew Gooden and 2nd rounder from Phx
Phoenix: Tyrus Thomas, Andres Nocioni and Marco Bellineli and 2 1st round picks from Bulls

Why?

Chicago: Receives Amar'e and receives Maggete to replace Nocioni, and Maggete is a better scorer
Golden State: Watching is season going down, they trade for Gooden to make cap space for next summer. And Gooden is a good player who is in his last year of contract.
Phoenix: Thomas is a young player who needs somebody to learn, Shaq can be a good teacher. He still doens't need to score much and can play pick and roll with Nash (I see on him a young Amare with less jumper). Nocioni is all hustle, a Matt Barnes like and Bellineli is a good sub and can run some PG duties.

Any opinion?

I made my own trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Chicago receives: Amare Stoudemire and Corey Maggete
Golden State: Drew Gooden and 2nd rounder from Phx
Phoenix: Tyrus Thomas, Andres Nocioni and Marco Bellineli and 2 1st round picks from Bulls

Why?

Chicago: Receives Amar'e and receives Maggete to replace Nocioni, and Maggete is a better scorer
Golden State: Watching is season going down, they trade for Gooden to make cap space for next summer. And Gooden is a good player who is in his last year of contract.
Phoenix: Thomas is a young player who needs somebody to learn, Shaq can be a good teacher. He still doens't need to score much and can play pick and roll with Nash (I see on him a young Amare with less jumper). Nocioni is all hustle, a Matt Barnes like and Bellineli is a good sub and can run some PG duties.

Any opinion?

I love it for the Bulls, however (despite bringing in Amare) it leaves them slightly thin up front. Better than they are at the moment definitely, but it puts a lot of pressure on Amare to be amazing from the get-go. Hopefully any deal that the Bulls might make to bring in Amare involves Hinrich or Hughes being dealt away, but that's probably a pipe-dream.

For the Warriors, yeah... it's ok. Gooden doesnt necessarily fit into their system, but his potential cap space could be a good motivating factor. However, I dont see the Warriors being an attractive free agent destination in 2010.

And for the Suns, I think Thomas would thrive in Phoenix, in a similar way to what Shawn Marion did. He brings a lot of what the Matrix brought, minus an outside shot. But he can leap out of the stadium, and would be terrific in transition. Nocioni is also great, but somewhat superfluous with Matt Barnes already there. And Bellineli is Phoenix through and through.

Good trade though. Any deal that the Bulls make for Amare without losing Ben Gordon is ok by me.

Any deal that the Bulls make for Amare without losing Ben Gordon is ok by me.

Ditto, though I think the Bulls will have to give up more than that and the Warriors probably wouldn't be so quick to give up Maggette without getting more in return.

What would u propose the Bulls give up?

Oh don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with them giving up Thomas and Nocioni to bring in Amar'e if that's what it took. I wouldn't mind them parting with Deng or Hinrich either if one of them was required to get the deal done, though they'd probably still want Thomas in the deal and possibly a draft pick which is risky with the Bulls quite likely to be in the lottery again. I'm encouraged by the reports of Chicago being one of the teams that is really pushing to get Amar'e but I'm not feeling that optimistic about it happening.

I dont mind a draft pick changing hands either. I dont think the Bulls are going to find much help in the draft unless they go top 3. Which couldnt happen again, or could it?

Wouldn't it be worth it even at the cost of Ben Gordon? We're not talking about Pau Gasol here, but Amare. He definitely is one rare talent with great potential to develop even further. I think it's worth a risk even it cost Ben Gordon as CHI still will have Rose to look forward to, in the backcourt.

Yeah, I'm not opposed to Ben Gordon being traded to bring in Amare, but if they can keep him for that inside-outside threat, so much the better. I do accept that any proposal that brings Amare to Chicago will likely see the departure of Ben Gordon.

Wouldn't it be worth it even at the cost of Ben Gordon? We're not talking about Pau Gasol here, but Amare. He definitely is one rare talent with great potential to develop even further. I think it's worth a risk even it cost Ben Gordon as CHI still will have Rose to look forward to, in the backcourt.

I don't think Amar'e is going to get much better than he is now. His stats might fluctuate depending on his situation but I think he's more or less the player he's going to be through his prime, give or take a bit of padding in his numbers. Would it be worth it? I guess, but then you lose that firepower in the backcourt and on the perimeter. I'd rather pair Amare with Gordon than with Hinrich or Deng, as Gordon's better from the outside than Deng and a more potent scorer than Hinrich. He's also harder to trade for someone making over $10 mil a year because he's on a qualifying offer and because of that I believe they're restricted in their ability to trade him, period. In any case, I prefer scenarios that include Deng or Hinrich instead and I'd roll the dice on trading Thomas too if it meant getting Amar'e.

Yeah, I wouldn't think he'd develop that much in terms of skill level. I meant as a franchise big man, a center piece, a leader, who can be compared to Dirk, Dwight, Duncan. I think the reason he wants out is to be somebody like them. All his career, he has been somewhat overshadowed or had to share much credits with teammates like Nash and sorts so, I for one, have been a doubter all along. There was a thread on something like "Whom would you build a team around between Amare and Dwight and sum1 whom i forgot" in this forum a few years back, and i was quite surprised that so many people chose Amare over Dwight. I think he wants to prove people like me wrong.

Perhaps, but if that's the case he'll need to concern himself with more than scoring which remains a common criticism of his game.

sorry to turn this into a bulls thread ....

andrew- there isn't much risk factor should the bulls include the draft pick. if they somehow land stoudemire, they should make the playoffs.

i'm not optimistic about the team landing him. however if it's true that GM Kerr wants cap room, young "prospects", draft picks- the bulls have a chance

i'm completely content with anyone going in a deal for amar'e with the exception of Derrick Rose... otherwise it's a waste

he's been my fav player on the bulls but Gordon's skills/salary demands should be expendable. he'd be making too much to be an one dimensinal spot up shooter in an offense centered around Rose-Amar'e. a post presence would certainly do wonders for a team full of players who can't create for themselves. Deng could finally settle into his "3rd" best player on the team role and even someone like Hinrich could become useful

give up Thomas, Noah, Gooden, Nocioni, draft pick, Gordon. whatever. trade for amar'e with assurances he resigns and pray he stays healthy. Pax has to take the risk. this is the type of deal he's always wanted to do- take advantage of a team getting rid of its star player.

I see your point, though I'd still prefer they traded Deng or Hinrich. Mad as it sounds, I'd rather they end up overpaying the guy who's shown he can score 20+ per game than overpay a player who might not be capable of being the number two or three player. That's a good point about the draft pick, with that possibility in mind it does seem less of a risk though time is running out on them making a run for that last playoff spot.

The Suns are reportedly interested in Thomas though so hopefully the Bulls are in with a shot.

I'd say the Bulls have the best shot at landing Amare. They have enough young players from which the Suns could chose. They have Gooden's expiring contract and giving up a draft pick is not so bad, especially considering that they have Deng and I think another player courtesy of the Suns .

And than there is their biggest selling point. They are in the East ... so if at all, the Suns would only be able to meet them in the Finals. Thats Portlands biggest weakness right now. They also have enough young players and one of the biggest expiring contracts in Raef LaFrentz. But they are higher up in the standings than the Suns ... so giving Amare to Portland could bite the Suns in the ass even this season, cause I think Portland would take a leap like Denver with the arrival of Chauncey. They'd be at least challenging for the WC finals if not the NBA finals ... And I seriously doubt, Steve Kerr wants that.

Golden State might have a shot, but I don't see that much attractive players for the Suns on that roster. But even with being 12 games behind Phoenix in the standings, Amare could make it interesting in the race for that final playoff spots in the West, so there is the chance, that it could hurt the Suns very soon ...

Right now I don't think Miami will trade back Shawn Marion to Phoenix ... that would be a great story tho .

So Bulls fans .. don't be too down about the prospects of landing Amare, I'd say right now you have the best chance of doing so .

the Suns aren't going to get fair value in return. If they trade Amare, they're not going to the playoffs (quote me in April), so trading him to a WC rival isnt likely to faze them.

But I do agree that the Bulls have the best shot of landing him, and am hopeful they can make it work. Hopefully he got on alright with Del Negro in Phoenix. If not, fire Del Negro.

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amare and hill to bulls for hinrich, gooden and simmons

bulls get bigger, suns get a good pg/sg for the future, a decent sf/pf/c in gooden and a project in simmons


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kb and lj in chi town! lol! cleveland steels this one!
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