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Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:26 pm
I have reasonable doubts that Marbury really cares about winning. I dont know, usually every NBA player who has not won a ring yet comes to the point in his career where it is all about winning. But for Marbury I just cannot imagine that he takes less minutes (way less minutes than in his best times) and less money as well as less glory just to win a ring. He has never been the guy, he has always been on loosing teams, I just doubt his winner's mentality.
Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:03 pm
erik_twism wrote:I say that the Celtics should take marbury, he still is a good player and can give them help at the point. Furthermore I say that Marbury might accept the smaler role,he wants to show the Knicks that he´s still good and can fit in, he is not expected and not needed to be the go to guy, he´s in a position to win a ring with the Celtics and if he causes trouble it would be easy to cut him. So I don´t see a to big risk for the Celtics.
It's certainly low risk in that they could cut him loose and not have to pay him anywhere near what he's getting from the Knicks if things don't work out but I still don't know about him accepting a lesser role and being happy to do so for a championship contender. Every time he's changed teams it's been suggested that the new situation will appease him and change his outlook but it's been the same story everywhere he's gone. When he went to New Jersey, the thought was that now he was undisputably the best player on the team and playing closer to home things would change but he still clashed with teammates. When he went to Phoenix, it was suggested that playing for a better team might change things but he clashed with teammates and Mike D'Antoni there, too. He was granted another opportunity to reinvent himself and start fresh for his hometown Knicks, the team he had said he always wanted to play for, but he alienated his teammates once again and his antics continue to this day. Why should Boston be any different, just because they're better than any team he's ever played on so far in his NBA career?
Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:07 am
Isn't this more unlikely to happen anyways? NYK needs to do something really quick, cuz i really can't wait to see him playing again ffs.
Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:48 am
I agree with Andrew, there is very little to suggest this would be a good aquisition for Boston. I just think Marbury isn't a good presense to have on a team.
Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:43 pm
zanshadow wrote:Isn't this more unlikely to happen anyways? NYK needs to do something really quick, cuz i really can't wait to see him playing again ffs.
You do have to wonder as we're almost a week into 2009 and a resolution was supposedly coming by the new year. Marbury doesn't want to accept a buyout until he gets the $400,000 back that he was docked after he was told to stay away from the team because he seems to feel he's above being punished so maybe the Knicks just ride it out and let him miss the entire season. It doesn't look like either side will blink.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:04 pm
Here's the strange part about it. The Celtics are thinking that since the age factor is becoming a serious trend for the slump that they're in. They're relying on Rondo to carry them more and more on certain games where we're all seeing him being more and more of a threat. The whole rosters are accepting the fact that Marbury on the team would be a great beneficial for them, Ray, Kevin, Paul, and even Rondo is saying that. Would this make Eddie House challenge Stephon Marbury for the backup spot? It may be obvious that Sam Cassell is going to be leaving hopefully back to Houston to retire as a Rocket.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:22 pm
You'd have to think there's going to be a bit of a battle for minutes there though House is more of a combo guard so he can find some minutes backing up Ray Allen as well, though that cuts into Tony Allen's time too. I think there's enough versatility there for it to work without Marbury pushing anyone completely out of the rotation, should he end up with the Celtics.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:04 pm
To be honest... Besides, Shaun Livingston going to Phoenix. Maybe Steph needs to go back there and play right behind Nash. Although, that's going to be way over the cap space so who's willing to take him besides Boston?
Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:07 pm
A couple of things here. If Marbury doesn't play this season, will anyone take a chance on him next season? The only team that has publicly shown interest, Boston, will still have Rondo with another seasons worth or experience. I wonder what opportunities Marbury will have. He might end up in Europe...
As for his chances of playing this season, everyone has said how Garnett will keep him under control. I'm not sure if that will work. He and Marbury are great friends, everyone knows that. But alot of the times, friendships doesn't mean you'll take orders off that person. I don't think Doc will be able to control him, or Ray Allen. If anyone will be able to, it'll be Paul Peirce.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:40 pm
Clueminati017 wrote:To be honest... Besides, Shaun Livingston going to Phoenix. Maybe Steph needs to go back there and play right behind Nash. Although, that's going to be way over the cap space so who's willing to take him besides Boston?
What?
Sorry... I just read that the Suns want Livingston, but it isn't done yet
Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:36 pm
Matthew wrote:A couple of things here. If Marbury doesn't play this season, will anyone take a chance on him next season? The only team that has publicly shown interest, Boston, will still have Rondo with another seasons worth or experience. I wonder what opportunities Marbury will have. He might end up in
I think it will come down to dollars. He's too talented and still young enough for teams that are weak at point guard not to have any interest at all but if he wants a deal anywhere near as big as the one he's got now then I don't think anyone will pay that, especially since anyone who's clearing room seems to be doing so with next year in mind rather than the crop of free agents in 2009. If he'll take a smaller salary, say the MLE for a year, then that's a risk more teams might be willing to take.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:19 pm
I guess Miami could be interested.. I'm trying to think of specific teams that he would fit into that he would, or could help, and I just don't see many.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:25 pm
Jason Kidd's a free agent at the end of the season, perhaps a spot might open up there since the Mavs passed on signing him to an extension when they had the chance. Jason Terry plays a lot of shooting guard these days and Jose Barea's their only other point guard so maybe they'll be an option. The Warriors seem to like stockpiling guards and a couple of them are only signed through this season.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:27 pm
I'd be shocked if he ends up in either Golden State or Dallas
Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:35 pm
Yeah I don't see it as all that likely, I was just throwing out a couple of scenarios. As you said, no highly likely ones spring immediately to mind.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:38 pm
He could always come play in the NBL
Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:45 pm
Sure, if it doesn't fold first.

But along those lines, maybe he does go to Europe. A couple of years back he spoke about playing over there when his contract with the Knicks expired, perhaps it will be his only option...at least for a season. He's only 31, he could always play a season overseas and then return to the NBA down the road when circumstances change and someone might be more interested in his services.
Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:29 am
I don't get Marbury, everyone else (around his age) is focussed on winning a ring and he doesn't seem to be the least bit bothered about it. Him not playing for so long and not making a fuss about it kinda says he plays basketball only for the money, not really because he likes the game or anything.
I really don't get him, he was/is a pretty talented guy on the court, so I really don't get it. Talentwise I'd love him on the Lakers because he seemed to have a certain swagger about him, but his attitude is just so off-putting it's not normal.
I mean we have our usual weirdos in Ron Artest, Dennis Rodman and the likes...but atleast they gave a shit about the game. Marbury is just...weird.
Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:38 am
Alejandrov011 wrote:Clueminati017 wrote:To be honest... Besides, Shaun Livingston going to Phoenix. Maybe Steph needs to go back there and play right behind Nash. Although, that's going to be way over the cap space so who's willing to take him besides Boston?
What?
Sorry... I just read that the Suns want Livingston, but it isn't done yet
Suns been wanting Livingston ever since the offseason, and tried to pry him away from the Clippers roster and ever Miami traded him to Memphis & now released. The Suns main move was to get rid of Dee Brown, and now go after Shaun Livingston since he's been released. I've been reading Phoenix chasing after Livingston like crazy, and Clippers somehow knew that if Livingston is fully healthy while playing in Phoenix. He's going to be a problem when he comes off the bench, and that's one of the reasons he was shipped out to Miami to challenge Mario Chalmers and Chris Quinn for their spots at PG.Jackal wrote:I don't get Marbury, everyone else (around his age) is focussed on winning a ring and he doesn't seem to be the least bit bothered about it. Him not playing for so long and not making a fuss about it kinda says he plays basketball only for the money, not really because he likes the game or anything.
I really don't get him, he was/is a pretty talented guy on the court, so I really don't get it. Talentwise I'd love him on the Lakers because he seemed to have a certain swagger about him, but his attitude is just so off-putting it's not normal.
I mean we have our usual weirdos in Ron Artest, Dennis Rodman and the likes...[b]but atleast they gave a shit about the game. Marbury is just...weird.[/b]
When "Pistol" Pete Maravich said this at Billy Graham's Crusade...
When I was young. My father embedded me that in my mind. I need to win a ring, and that's how I wanted to play my life for. Just to get that ring because I have trophies, but I wanted that ring to prove it. Now, since I'm out of the league. I just realized that it's not about a ring. Just how you leave your legacy at.
Now, Jackal is right. Marbury only wants the money to basically kill the cap space for the team where ever he goes. Don't get me wrong. I thought him and Allen Iverson coming out of that draft was one hell of a turnout before I even heard of the school Santa Clara & the name Steve Nash. Marbury is weird and yet money hungry, and I would've thought since the offseason he was choosing to go overseas and play in Italy like he said he was going to play at.
Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:32 am
Clippers did not ship Livingston to Miami, his rights were renounced and they didn't offer him a contract.
Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:14 am
Thanks Dub
Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:36 pm
Jackal wrote:I don't get Marbury, everyone else (around his age) is focussed on winning a ring and he doesn't seem to be the least bit bothered about it. Him not playing for so long and not making a fuss about it kinda says he plays basketball only for the money, not really because he likes the game or anything.
I really don't get him, he was/is a pretty talented guy on the court, so I really don't get it. Talentwise I'd love him on the Lakers because he seemed to have a certain swagger about him, but his attitude is just so off-putting it's not normal.
I mean we have our usual weirdos in Ron Artest, Dennis Rodman and the likes...but atleast they gave a shit about the game. Marbury is just...weird.
We can only speculate on Marbury's true character and chances are in his private life, he's a very nice person who's down-to-earth and respectful towards the people who cares about. But the impression you get of him as a professional athlete is that he's a very self-centred person - at least in the context of his professional career - making every situation about himself, not only put himself ahead of team goals and the like but simply acting as though everything revolves around him. Look at the way he's dealt with the situation with the Knicks. He's accused his teammates of stabbing him in the back, being wronged by the organisation (he does have a point there) and talked about how he's been wronged, without seeming to realise or at least acknowledge that he's brought a lot of that upon himself.
I can't claim to know what goes on inside his head but the impression I get is that he perceives these situations as things that are happening to him rather than consequences of his actions, that everyone else has the problem and he's being mistreated for no apparent reason. Maybe deep down he knows that but his ego won't let him admit it and hey, he's human like the rest of us and it's tough to look in the mirror and admit fault. But most people kind of grow out of it to a certain extent and learn to take responsibility. I guess he just firmly believes he's in the right and doesn't realise he's placed himself in these situations and alienated his teammates long before they turned on him.
He probably does care about winning championships but it's likely he already feels his legacy his cemented and his worth as a player proven. Remember, he did declare himself the best point guard in the NBA a few years ago. I guess you need to believe in yourself like that to succeed as a pro athlete but in Marbury's case it seems to be a more self-destructive element of his personality as he doesn't seem to believe he needs to prove it any further. His peers no doubt hold similar beliefs (we know Paul Pierce does) but they go out and try to establish their legacy and continue to build on their list of accomplishments. Or maybe they're just better at setting aside their egos and co-existing.
Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:45 pm
Maybe he's got bi-polar depression or something. That would explain the extreme "high" levels he seems to go on, don't know if he experiences lows though, that probably isn't as interesting to report in the media.
Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:32 pm
If the Mavs sign Marbury, I will shoot myself and film it for the world to see just like that idiot who did it on 4chan.
If Cuban's smart enough, he'll swoop in and give Kidd just another single-year contract at the near-max for his Bird rights, and then he'd still have cap space going into the summer of 2010.
Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:38 pm
Jackal wrote:Maybe he's got bi-polar depression or something. That would explain the extreme "high" levels he seems to go on, don't know if he experiences lows though, that probably isn't as interesting to report in the media.
Could be, but it seems to be more an ego thing than anything else. That's the impression I get, anyway.
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