Gordon says he has played his last game as a Bull

And remeber that Ben was a very explosive and great dunker in High School
and he had hops (no wonder his jumpshots are great). Until he went to college where he just became a jump shooter. Search on Youtube about ben's old playing days back in highschool. If can drive like this and be explosive with his jumpshots, he will be quickly getting people's attention.

I doubt we'd see him pulling off the same stuff in the NBA. He has shown that aggressiveness on occasions but not frequently enough. If he did finish inside more often and effectively I don't think his size would draw as much attention. Allen Iverson and Tony Parker are far from being the biggest guys on the court but with the way they can get into the lane and finish it doesn't really matter.

He's going to Europe cause there's no team in the NBA that can afford to offer him a huge contract, cause 1 he is not worth that contract and 2, you don't pay that much for a jump shooter. If he went to the basket more, then I'd think about it.

If his name was Reggie Miller, I would.

My mind is absolutely blown by the posts in this thread absolutely bashing Ben Gordon. I'm not a huge fan, and he certainly had a sub-par year, but jeez, you guys are making it out like he's Dajuan Wagner or something.

I wonder how many have actually watched he or the Bulls play extensively, and how many are just dominoes falling along the path of negative hype.

like he's Dajuan Wagner or something.

If Wagner stayed healthy, he and Gordon would be one and the same. Gordon has never been all that good, being absolutely worthless on defense, and being a one-dimensional scorer. A bad season mixed with unrealistic contract expectations will turn you from the most overrated to the most underrated player in a heartbeat.

I wonder how many have actually watched he or the Bulls play extensively, and how many are just dominoes falling along the path of negative hype.

It's completely unfathomable that someone could watch something and see something different? Or that people have different definitions of "good"?

I mean, at least Lamrock posted (and continues to post) reasons he thinks Gordon isn't very good.

Everyone's probably ripping Gordon because he is demanding too much cash for his production.

(OMGZ, ty shud hav trded 4 kobe!!1! lol)

Ben, championship or money?

Ben, championship or money?

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Why you should take Ben Gordon with a grain of salt

Pretty much sums it up as far as Gordon's lack of leverage is concerned but it also touches on something that was brought up earlier, that being Gordon's attitude and behaviour. This offseason is really the first example of him displaying any sort of bad attitude (unless his offseason training the past four years can be considered a bad attitude) and even then he's not really trashing the team or the city. He's asking a lot of money, more than he can reasonably demand and he's fooling himself if he feels he's got leverage but still, bad attitude? Not quite.

Love the comments on the article though, especially this one:

Your right and you couldn't be more wrong. Ben Gordon is delusional in his self worth, all the more reason to get rid of him. He has "unleverage" but is so in love with himself, he can't figure it out. He is not a fair value at 6 years $59 million. for anyone to argue that this would be a low ball offer by the "cheap"Bulls is insane and assinine. When/if he becomes an unrestricted free agent, which he can't do without accepting the Qo he will receive no more than the mid level exception, or maybe a $1 more by someone under the cap, and even then not for the maximum 5 years. Gordon is a journyman who will put up numbers that look good for lousy teams that have no chance winning, in other words, the perfect Clipper.

Ben Gordon is a pathetic excuse for an NBA guard. He belongs at the Rucker, not the United Center. His attitude sucks, his defense sucks, and he literally cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. He literally trips overhis own feet on at least 50% of both the offensive and defensive possessions. He is a spineless, mindless, gutless, heartless moron and not even worth the qualifying offer. As a Bulls fan since the Dick Motta, Jerry Sloan, Norm Van Lier, Bob Love, Chet Walker years in the early 70's and thru the Jordan years I watched every minute of the Bulls 2007-08 season, and watching Gordon made me absolutely sick.

Anybody who thinks that he is worth $30-$40-$50+ million knows absolutly nothing about winning basketball.

Can't wait to get rid of the Mope a Dope

No concrete examples of him showing a bad attitude or being in love with himself aside from not agreeing to the Bulls' offer, an exaggerated "statistic" (trips over his own feet 50% of the time) and playing the "I've been watching for a long time so I'm an unquestionable authority on everything and anyone who disagrees doesn't know a thing about basketball" card. Arguing Basketball on the Internet 101.

The only reason nowadays why I watch the Bulls is because of this guy..

so Andrew,where do you think Ben is going and will you still have his image on your avatar if ever he leave the bulls or replace it with noah or deng or vinny del negro?

Honestly, I think the chances of him returning to the Bulls are better than they appear unless he's serious about going to Europe. He's a restricted free agent so the Bulls have the leverage and I doubt anyone would be willing to give him more than the Bulls would be willing to match. Unless a sign-and-trade proposition comes along, it's Chicago or somewhere in Europe in my view.

As far as my avatar goes, yeah I'd say I'll change it.

I think that's Gordon's way of stirring things up..he will get what he wants afterwards and stay with the bulls..

I don't know about that. The Bulls might go a little higher than what they're offering now but Gordon will have to end up making some concessions too, even if he leaves through a sign-and-trade.

He's going to Europe cause there's no team in the NBA that can afford to offer him a huge contract, cause 1 he is not worth that contract and 2, you don't pay that much for a jump shooter. If he went to the basket more, then I'd think about it.

If his name was Reggie Miller, I would.

You would pay Reggie for his clutch abilities and intimidation factor, not only because he's a jump shooter. Ben Gordon is a jump shooter who has yet to prove why he deserves a HUGE contract. Maybe it was the coach, but whatever the reason was, he still hasn't shown it. That's just my Opinion

Reggie could flop and wasn't undersized as well.

A player being undersized isn't a problem so long as they can compensate for it. Gordon has shown an ability to get to the basket during his career but not often enough. So when something like this happens...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g8RFugXV0o[/youtube]

...it's the exception, not the rule. I wish he showed that kind of aggression more often.

A player being undersized isn't a problem so long as they can compensate for it. Gordon has shown an ability to get to the basket during his career but not often enough. So when something like this happens...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g8RFugXV0o[/youtube]

...it's the exception, not the rule. I wish he showed that kind of aggression more often.

idk which is bigger factor. the penetration or the denver defense

Well, there's that too. But there's still the fact he took the ball to the hoop instead of settling for the jumpshot which I'd like to see him try more often. It's not the only example of him going to the hoop but a readily available one on YouTube.

isn't gordon somewhat comparable to prime steve francis at SG
hope he won't walk the same path he did

Not really, if nothing else Francis had bigger rebounding and assist numbers.

hey, Andrew, what happened with Noah after that marijuana incident? is he suspended? i kinda like gordon, and i feel sorry for him, that skiles used him so much times from the bench, i think he deserves to be starting sg everytime, so as ginobili with SAS! and i was shocked with trade of Big Ben for Hughes and Gooden! i think tru bulls fans were too! what would u say if miami proposed a trade involved noah + nicioni + kirk for Marion + Blount +1-st rounder

I don't think so, at least not for a significant amount of time. I don't know if Bulls fans, true or otherwise, were on the whole too upset about seeing Ben Wallace traded away. Having Hughes' contract isn't much better but Wallace clearly wasn't working out, it really didn't seem like his heart was in Chicago and for the amount of money they were paying him, they needed him to at least be the same player he was in Detroit. All in all, it was a huge blunder on Paxson's part.

Noah/Noce/Hinrich for Marion/Blount/first rounder? I wouldn't be all that enthused about it, the prospect of getting Marion is interesting but it's a lot to give up considering Blount's on the way down and the value of the pick is riding on good fortune.

Both sides are still at a stalemate but there's also rumours that Gordon is in discussions with CSKA Moscow. A bit strange that he'd be willing to take less than the Bulls are offering and the qualifying offer but I guess this is his bargaining chip since the "imminent trade" is proving to be not so imminent after all.

I'm still hoping they resolve it and Gordon returns, I have no delusions about him being an elite player but I still think they will struggle to replace his scoring. Unless he's serious about going to CSKA Moscow, Gordon will have to meet the Bulls halfway on this one but I still don't buy the "bad attitude and has always had a bad attitude" talk. This is the first time he's really acted this way and as I've said before, he hasn't stooped to badmouthing the organisation (yet).

He's also put up with being yanked in and out of the starting lineup, Skiles' headscratching rotations and being made the scapegoat whenever the Bulls have struggled without complaint or public tirades and maintains his training through the offseason. He's a bit hard headed in these contract negotiations but in all fairness the "team cancer" stuff is overblown.

Now to see who blinks first with this latest development.

hoping that Ben stays with the Bulls...
Derrick Rose, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah..they could make some noise with this lineup..even better if they could trade hinrich and huges away for a good big guy

We can only sign Ben if the Bulls trade a big contract for a small contract because Ben and his agents believe he is better then Iverson and deserves 12 million a year.