Flopping to be punished

by **Lakeshow109** on Fri May 30, 2008 3:45 pm

this is the best news iv herd today besidez lakers finishing off the spurs

by **JT_55** on Fri May 30, 2008 4:03 pm

Wait...what Andrew said made me realize this doesn't help a whole lot. While some might find Manu being fined down to his very last penny amusing, he would still finish his job.

Doesn't this whole problem just goes back to the debate of instant replay? I mean, with instant replay, coaches can challenge a flop on the spot, correct call will be made, player fined additionally, no problem.

EDIT: In a perfect world...

by **Laxation** on Fri May 30, 2008 4:13 pm

Alejandrov011 wrote:As some can see the most "floppers" are international players like Varejao, Divac, Manu, Oberto...

What happens is that in the FIBA basket is so common to flop that is a defensive tool!

I can say that cause i play in my club in Argentina and I am a more defensive minded player and i use to flop when it counts and the other team doesn´t argue the call sometimes.

But the referee sometimes warns you, if you flop so bad again you will get a technical

I hate you. Please go die, or alternatively, go play some other sport.

Qballer wrote:as far as defensive flopping though, one man's charge is another man's flop i say.

O rly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPBJ_6y_5A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjsFu882zks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEef1T_l ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2FG1WAr ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_kNkksY8go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q4ZD6Gi ... re=related

Not fineable? Bullshit...

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Fri May 30, 2008 4:14 pm

Perhaps, though you'd have to limit the amount of challenges a coach could make. Simply calling the game so that flopping isn't rewarded would get the job done. Right now it seems there's pressure on the officials to make some sort of call when there's a flop. Letting the game play on while the flopper is down on his back should be an effective enough punishment/deterrent.

That's not to say there won't be acting. Contact will still be sold but it would force players to actually the draw the contact and sell the foul rather than fabricating it.

YouTube · by **JaoSming** on Fri May 30, 2008 9:05 pm

Lax that last one with shaq imo is the difference between drawing a charge and flopping.

by **Laxation** on Fri May 30, 2008 11:52 pm

you dont have to fall over to draw a charge... he flopped - hes fucking 300pounds and strong as all hell - he wouldnt fall over like that WITHOUT flopping

by **cyanide** on Sat May 31, 2008 5:20 am

Laxation wrote:you dont have to fall over to draw a charge... he flopped - hes fucking 300pounds and strong as all hell - he wouldnt fall over like that WITHOUT flopping

Yeah, but if you look at the video, Shaq pushed him in midair, so there's still a chance he actually did fall. If you push a wall really hard, are you gonna fall? It doesn't matter if he's 300 pounds. It's about balance, and he probably drew a charge but still fell because of the force that was applied. Maybe he flopped, but I'd consider it charging. Not like that first video with the Duke player; that was ridiculous.

by **magius** on Sat May 31, 2008 7:07 am

I don't see a problem over reacting when an actual foul is taking place, i.e. getting hit and letting your body hit the floor without resistance.

even though shaq is 300 pounds and strong as shit, I doubt that he is unaffected by 200 pounds of another human being crashing into him with velocity. Unless it is, like, earl boykins, I think it is unrealistic to expect humans to bounce off him. It would be fun to watch though.

2 video replay challengers per quarter seems fine to me, though it may disrupt the flow of the game. Maybe 2 per game? or 1 per quarter?

by **Jackal** on Sat May 31, 2008 11:17 am

magius wrote:I think it is unrealistic to expect humans to bounce off him. It would be fun to watch though.

It was fun watching the Kings play LA for this reason only. Vlade would literaly either bounce off or just keel over.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat May 31, 2008 2:35 pm

magius wrote:I don't see a problem over reacting when an actual foul is taking place, i.e. getting hit and letting your body hit the floor without resistance.

Absolutely, selling legitimate contact is good gamesmanship. It's the practice of selling the slightest contact like a knockout punch that's the problem.

by **-Young Buck-** on Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:38 am

magius wrote:2 video replay challengers per quarter seems fine to me, though it may disrupt the flow of the game. Maybe 2 per game? or 1 per quarter?

Why would you need video replay during games? From what i read its about floppers getting fined, not for the calls to be looked at with a chance it could be reversed. I expect people to watch the games after they are done and look for any odd flopping going on. Fine the people that are doing it, end of story. No need to stop the game to look at replays.

by **Cartar** on Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:00 am

IMO flopping should be punished by giving other team technical FT. Ex. Ginobili flops too hard, other team gets FT

by **Oskar** on Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:03 am

I think fining is enough, as long as it should stop people doing it.

by **Sauru** on Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:45 am

i dont think fining is enough, its a good start but not nearly enough. i guarentee anyone in the nba would be willing to pay a fine if a flop turning the tide of the game in thier favor, specially playoff games

by **Oskar** on Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:09 am

Maybe a.. suspension ? Like 5 games or something.

by **JT_55** on Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:52 am

Suspension would work...unless it's game 7 of the NBA Finals.

by **Amphatoast** on Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:07 pm

I guess Manu Ginobili is going to have to make a lot of changes in his style of basketball. Sounds great to help lower the amount of floppers.

by **Oskar** on Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:17 pm

JT_55 wrote:Suspension would work...unless it's game 7 of the NBA Finals.

Maybe suspend for the beginning of the next season ? + a fine.

by **Air Zoom Kobe I** on Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:03 am

Derek Fisher's gotta be somewhere losing his fucking mind.

by **JT_55** on Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:24 am

Oskar wrote:Maybe suspend for the beginning of the next season ? + a fine.

No, that's not the point. What I saying is, by then the championship is already won, and might have been unfairly earned if the flop changed the game. If a person is intentionally flopping to win the NBA Championship despite a fine, they will probably do it even with harser punishment that has no effect on the outcome of the series. Especially 5 "meaningless" games at the beginning of the next season.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:27 am

-Young Buck- wrote:Why would you need video replay during games? From what i read its about floppers getting fined, not for the calls to be looked at with a chance it could be reversed. I expect people to watch the games after they are done and look for any odd flopping going on. Fine the people that are doing it, end of story. No need to stop the game to look at replays.

magius was suggesting other action that could be taken in light of the NBA's plans to discuss expanding the instant replay rules.

Oskar wrote:I think fining is enough, as long as it should stop people doing it.

It doesn't stop players and coaches from getting technicals or criticising the officiating in post-game interviews. These guys are getting more money than most of us will ever see; if a flop preserves a victory in Game 7 of the NBA Finals, I'm sure a player will pay the fine as long as the call is made in his favour. Suspensions are too harsh though. If they're going to hand out suspensions for flopping it should be a similar situation to technicals: automatically after a set number of fines.

But again, I think the most effective method of stamping it out is to not give players the call. Let them flop, but also let them watch the player they were defending square up for an open jumpshot or blow by them for an easy layup or dunk. Then hit them with a T if they get up and complain about it. If there's no reward, there's no incentive.

by **Laxation** on Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:59 am

Andrew wrote:But again, I think the most effective method of stamping it out is to not give players the call. Let them flop, but also let them watch the player they were defending square up for an open jumpshot or blow by them for an easy layup or dunk. Then hit them with a T if they get up and complain about it. If there's no reward, there's no incentive.

Thats what they SHOULD be doing now. They do it occasionally, but not often enough because theyre too slow/stupid to notice it happening.

It doesnt work.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:13 am

It's not going to work if they only occasionally go with the non-call. Even if players still tried to flop despite not getting the call, it's no longer an effective technique. Throw in a fine on top of that and we won't see it happen very often.

by **BIG GREEN** on Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:48 pm

That first link lax posted with the college kid flopping before he got touched was fucking hilarious....i was rolling. On that note...reggie miller is lucky he retired when he did.

by **Matthew** on Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:10 pm

Why is Reggie the poster child for flopping now?

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