dammn...kobe got 42 at the half...

First, there's the matter of physical talent. Kobe doesn't jump quite as high as Mike used to (About a 38" vert compared to Mike's 42") and Kobe has shorter arms.

Since when anyone need to jump higher than others to be considered better than those?, I don't think Olajuwon's jump was that high and that doesn't make him worse than C. Barkley who maybe had a higher jump.

You don't need to jump higher than anyone or have longer arms to be considered better than others.

Also...the three-point shot can be both a blessing and a curse. For evidence...compare Vince Carter before and after he learned an outside jump shot.

3pt & outside shooting is always a blessing, why? cause is something every SG should show they're capable of. If Vince is shooting from outside is to shut the mouth to those that were saying that he had no shooting ability and it might be better so he doesn't have to get injured again.

After Vince learned to hit the three-point shot he actually became less effective as a scorer.

Is Vince's shooting percentage bad? No. I don't think the 3s are the reason for him not to be that great scorer, look at his injuries, maybe that will explain those to you.

Finally...there's the matter of mentality...being a dominating scorer alone doesn't make you great. Jordan didn't reach his peak...and couldn't beat the Pistons...until he learned to pass the ball. Kobe hasn't established that mentality yet as he's had Shaq drawing the attention and doing the passing for him. That might stunt his growth in that department.

You are lost EG. That's right, MJ couldn't win until he learned to pass but figure out something, why would you say Kobe hasn't established that mentality?, I agree that Shaq is drawing the attention but that doesn't mean Kobe hasn't learned to pass the ball, when kobe has decided to keep the ball like Jordan did, Lakers have lost. I believe the Lakers have won the last 3 championships, would that be cause Kobe decided to handle the ball? Notice that Kobe is smarter since he understood he had to share with Shaq to win a long time ago, MJ didn't learn that til he spent 7 years in the league.

From hearing them both speak...I also personally think that Michael has a few IQ points over Kobe as well...and I've had this opinion supported by reading reports

Your IQ has nothing to do with it either since you can score 100 points and being stupid at the same time.

You have to remember that Kobe didn't go to college like Jordan did. Plus, if you think Jordan's IQ is just few points over Kobe, I give the merits to Kobe since he didn't go to college and is almost as good in general subjects as others that spent 4 years there.

kobe gets 5.9apg....
id say he's got the mentality

I would never believe in my life that Kobe could overtake MJ or even reach his level. Yes, Kobe's good at threes but are we judging him on them over just a few great games he's had in that area? MJ once shot 42% for 82 games. Bryant still is only hitting 39%. So how is Bryant a better three point shooter? Just because he's had two games of 12 or 9. No way.

i think at some point in his career kobe will score more than 100 point !, he will not have a problem with shooting 50 shots in a game, already this year he has had two game with 9 3's.
before he's 30 he will break the record

Never. Wilt did it because his opponent were never at the level that he was. If he came back today he wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah Kobe wouldn't have any problem shooting 50, but making them all? Get real. And you can't prove that he'll do it in the next 6 years. That's not a fact.

Kobe is good. One of the top 5 in the league now. But could he compete evenly with Jordan in his prime, for every game of the season that they play? No. I don't think Kobe will neve have a 30, 8, and 8 season. It just won't happen for him.

And you can't prove that he'll do it in the next 6 years. That's not a fact.

i dont recall saying it was a fact

I don't think Kobe will neve have a 30, 8, and 8 season. It just won't happen for him.

thats not fact........ he could

MJ once shot 42% for 82 games. Bryant still is only hitting 39%. So how is Bryant a better three point shooter? Just because he's had two games of 12 or 9. No way.

i dont know how many 3's mj attempted each year but i bet he never
attempted more than 5 a game, what year did he shoot 42% and how many did he take and make?

i dont know how many 3's mj attempted each year but i bet he never
attempted more than 5 a game, what year did he shoot 42% and how many did he take and make?

MJ once attempted 12 in a game against the Warriors (and made 7).
In 95-96 he made 42% of his threes, 111-260.

well iam lost for words.....
i never thought id be arguing about kobe.....
ok,who holds the second most points in a game and how many? what ever it is (i think ) he will break that
anyone watching the mavs game? did you see bradley think about the 3!
bill walton is the funniest commentator

well iam lost for words.....
i never thought id be arguing about kobe.....
ok,who holds the second most points in a game and how many? what ever it is (i think ) he will break that

I think it was David Robinson's 71 point game, but what do I know.

It was Wilt Chamberlain with 83 I believe, I´m not sure

BALLHOG..BALLHOG..BALLHOG..jordan's last gm in L.A. and he disrespected him by hogging the ball all night long in the first half?

with jordan in his face he got

42 pts on 14/19 shooting, together with 8/11 from 3 point range...

jordan was hardly in his face..i dont think they guarded eachother at all during the game..fox/george was on jordan..stackhouse/russell/others was on kobster..

your just beeing pathetic, he was in the zone so why the hell shouldnt he shoot the ball?!??. And why did he disrespected MJ by hitting shot after shot? what should he do else? shoot from halfcourt so he would miss?!??

sorry, double post

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I agree em. But I wouldn't really call it disrespecting. I think that he basically stole the show from MJ. You can't blame him but I don't think he should've done it.

I do feel that Kobe should've realized that this was Jordan's night. And even though Jordan had a good game, Kobe stole it from him, in no intentions to disrespect.

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I don't think Kobe will neve have a 30, 8, and 8 season. It just won't happen for him.


thats not fact........ he could

Let me refrase that: I dont think Kobbe wil ever a have 30, 8, and 8 season. It just won't happen for him, IN MY OPINION...My bad, I stated the first sentence as an opinion and the second as a fact.

i dont recall saying it was a fact

before he's 30 he will break the record

I agree em. But I wouldn't really call it disrespecting. I think that he basically stole the show from MJ. You can't blame him but I don't think he should've done it.

I don't see why Kobe shouldn't have done it. If Jordan was in his prime and playing against say Magic Johnson for the last time..do you think he would have intentionally played worse so that Magic looks better??..I don't think so. It all comes down to competition and respect. They both respect each other already so why give Jordan sympathy points? He's not a crippled old man that can't play.
In my opinion, Jordan respects Kobe more for showing him what he's capable of rather than just not competing to his highest ability. If the other guys can't keep up with Kobe too bad. There's no reason why he should have tanked this game. Jordan had his spotlight for over a decade..he should move aside now.

I've had enough of this "MJ should get this, becuase he's retiring," "MJ's playing in his last all star game so he should start." I respect him and all and think they shoud add a little something to make his retirement on a bigger stage. But this is ridiculous.

MJ once shot 42% for 82 games

Wasn't that the year they made the 3pt line shorter though?

I do feel that Kobe should've realized that this was Jordan's night. And even though Jordan had a good game, Kobe stole it from him, in no intentions to disrespect.

Aren't you the same one who said you didn't feel any respect for Vince cause he didn't offer MJ his starting spot in the all-star from the begining? Saying that Vince should have thought "This is last MJ all-star, maybe I should let him start". He gave up his spot, do you love him now?.

I don't think the players has to let MJ score to show their respect.

It's not enough to give the Wiz a spot in the playoffs if they don't get there, you guys want more. Maybe the teams who face the Wiz should use just their bench so the Wiz can win the championship. Not a bad idea.

Garnett is the stupiest ever cause he stole Jordan's Trophy. , Now Kobe sucks cause he scored 55 against him,

I guess all of you MJ fans will hate Stern more than ever when he gives the MVP to someone else.

I'm a Michael Jordan fan, but I don't think Kobe should have let MJ have his way against the Lakers. I'm sure given MJ's well-documented love of competition, he wouldn't want that either. There's no need to make the game easier for MJ just because he is retiring - that would be disrespectful.

Just to comment on the other loose ends - Vince giving up his spot was noble, commendable, but not necessary. It's not unprecedented - Doug Collins gave up his spot for John Havlicek during Hondo's final year - and was basically just a footnote, another item for trivia. It was still KG's night. Similarly, KG earned the trophy.

I'd just like to add (and this is not moderating, simply a personal observation) that not all Michael Jordan fans are ignorant of the rest of the NBA and its history, or feel that every award should be handed to Michael Jordan. Some people do get a little too fanatical about their favourite athletes - but we're not all like that.

your just beeing pathetic, he was in the zone so why the hell shouldnt he shoot the ball?!??. And why did he disrespected MJ by hitting shot after shot? what should he do else? shoot from halfcourt so he would miss?!??

pathetic? i tell u wut pathetic is..jacking up 3's after 3's all by urself and not run the offense..dats pathetic.. isnt basketball a TEAM game??..wtf happen to team playa and dishing out da ball?..tell me y the hell u want to hog the ball and jacking up shots after shots (19) in da first quarter..then second..wow he's out of it now so went 1-10..he needed ft's to get his 55.. if not disrespecting mj..disrespecting the gm..to me the gm of basketball is a 'team gm' not hogging da ball like he did..sheesh..

and btw..wut happen to ur "MVP" tonite eh??

your just beeing pathetic, he was in the zone so why the hell shouldnt he shoot the ball?!??. And why did he disrespected MJ by hitting shot after shot? what should he do else? shoot from halfcourt so he would miss?!??

pathetic? i tell u wut pathetic is..jacking up 3's after 3's all by urself and not run the offense..dats pathetic.. isnt basketball a TEAM game??..wtf happen to team playa and dishing out da ball?..tell me y the hell u want to hog the ball and jacking up shots after shots (19) in da first quarter..then second..wow he's out of it now so went 1-10..he needed ft's to get his 55.. if not disrespecting mj..disrespecting the gm..to me the gm of basketball is a 'team gm' not hogging da ball like he did..sheesh..

and btw..wut happen to ur "MVP" tonite eh??

He was on fire the entire 1st half, and everyone knows if someone is on fire he should get the ball. And about the Sonics, yes he had a bad game but I guess other superstars and mvp´s never had a bad game.

how did kobe disrespect!!
i mean he just showed jordan there is a new sheriff in town and that jordan isnt the main focus of most nba fans anymore(which in a large part he still probably is)
and ur telling me that the lakers should of lost on purpose so jordan could have his way and win his last game in staples........um no.
that would've been stupid
i spose the city of denver disrespected jordan now aswell...........well if iwas jordan i'd be ashamed of my team lol, losing to them wen they need to win games.

and about that jordan shooting 42% in 95/96, that he did, but when he was kobes age, he was shootin .182% .132% which isnt really flashy.

also jordans best is 7-12, kobes is 12-18, and even a 9-13 which is still better than jordans highest.
oh well it dont matter.
jordan is still the greatest at the moment, but will he be for long........who knows................kobe is getting closer, and tracy aswell.

but another statement for mvp by kobe.

When Tony Delk had 50 nobody was saying it was a statement for MVP.

becuase tony delk, didnt hit the 40pnt mark 17 times that season, he didnt set a new record for threes made in a game, he didnt hit 40pnts in 9 straight games, he didnt pull his team out of a slump and put them in the playoffs etc. etc. is that enough reasons for ya?

he also didnt average 30.4ppg 6.9rpg 5.9apg 2.18spg for the season did he?
come on now dan, that was pretty stupid

You said this game was a statement, you didn't mention any of his previous achievements.

when did i say they should let jordan win?.. all i said was dat he ballhogged all nite long..disrespecting jordan and the gm because the gm isnt bout self fame or show offs..unless its the allstar gm but still u need to be more respectful to the gm itself..yes he was on fire but he is all scoring and nothing else..how many assist did he have? 3? i think so.. too busy ballhogging i see..

If I'm playing a game of basketball...and one of my teammates is lighting it up...I pass him the ball because I want to win. It'd be selfish to take a shot when you're cold and someone else is hot...Kobe didn't disrespect the game and he didn't disrespect Jordan...Jordan didn't pass all that much his first few years and you probably don't think he's a ballhog...

You pass to the hot player - if you want to win. There's a reason Tony Delk scored 50 points: he was hot, his teammates passed him the ball. It's the same thing in this instance.

Oh, as for an MVP bid...it helps him, but Kobe still isn't the most valuable player on the Lakers, so he can't be the MVP of the league. That's KG or Tim Duncan. Kobe's had a great season, and I can see him winning it next year when he's the primary option over Shaq (if he isn't, I'll be surprised), and he's got many more years to win many more MVPs. He'll get his time....this year it should go to the guys who have done more with less....but Garnett's letting that slip through his fingers along with home court advantage...

And on another note, go Warriors!

and ur telling me that the lakers should of lost on purpose so jordan could have his way and win his last game in staples........um no.

I'd like to see where someone actually said that. The Lakers could've beat the Wiz either way. I agree with Em, saying that Kobe misrepresented the game like that. And on Michael Jordan's, the man who changed the game into what it is and should be, night. 19 shots in the first quarter? 19 shots in the half is a bit too much for a guy who has Shaquille O'Neal.

I'm not saying that everyone should hand Michael Jordan everything. The Wizards shouldn't be in the playoffs if they aren't top 8; Kevin Garnett deserved to win MVP. I NEVER STATED ANYTHING LIKE THAT.