Vin Baker Question

[michael myers]

the "gayguy" remark was made because "gloveguy" called me "mike" myers when clearly my name says "michael" myers, so i decided to return the favour by altering his name

[Andrew]

There's somewhat of a difference between shortening someone's name from Michael to Mike - a common variant (though I certainly understand if you object, I always prefer to be called Andrew, rather than Andy or Drew) - and calling someone "Gayguy", which is an obvious slur. Sorry, but that's not a valid excuse.

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vin baker still has some good years left in him, not in boston though i think the bucks whould do nicely with him at centre

[Rens]

when did i say those players were superstars?

You said Kemp wasn't a superstar, then went on to say those players were better than him. Would that not make them superstars or at least semi-superstars.

No, Eric Montross is better than Mark Madsen, but he's no superstar.

[scubilete]

Getting back to the discussion. Seattle was all Kemp when he was playing there, you will come to refer to GP as a 2nd option, Kemp was the leader and main player, the first option.

If it wasn't for the trade he would have been known as the best forward of the 90's.

what with the likes of thes guys to compare with?
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Dominique Wilkins
Chris Webber
Scottie Pippen
Grant Hill

i'm talking about his whole career

Obviously Clinton stated well in the 90's so the performance of those in the 90s over kemp would be as follow.

When comparing Kemp with Barkley, Malone, Wilkins, Webber, Pippen, Hill in the 90's, Barkley, Malone, Wilkins are players that had their best times in the 80's so if you take the performance of the 90's, Kemp would be lightly better than those, even after Barkley & Malone compiled their only MVP awards during the 90s, the 90s were not the best for them in general, they won those cause there was no Magic & Bird & same Jordan who took all of those awards in the 80s when the performance of Barkley & Malone were at their best in general but worse than those mentioned already.

Malone scoring has always being good but yet the fact of being old would make you say that he was not in his best to place him over Kemp why?, cause Karl Malone was needing 38 mins to get 10 rebs while Kemp would just need 33 mins, plus Kemp was good overall, in block shots and not bad scoring. Wilkins would be in the same situation of being too old to be recognized that the 90's were his best years. Same situation for Barkley who in general didn't have a top performance with Houston.

Hill, I would hardly say that Hill was not a top player when came to the league but he didn't play the whole 10 years of the 90's to make him compete with Kemp there.

Webber would be in the same position than Hill but even worse cause Webber didn't become a top player til he went to play for the Queens so I don't think his performance with the Wiz or Warriors would make you believe he was over Kemp.

The Only player who I would hardly put him over is Pippen, who played the whole 10 years, who carried the team to the playoffs when MJ retired for the 1st time having MVP numbers during that and who was having the top of his game during the 90s. Not cause he was playing with MJ like Clinton tried to make you think but cause Pippen worked on his game harder than anyone else to earn a right to shoot the ball and run with the top guy and his level of play didn't drop considerably like others.

Derrick Coleman, Larry Johnson, Vin Baker, Kevin Willis

Derrick Coleman was a top player in NJ but then he didn't see any chance of being that good after he started getting injured, even like that he would not be over Kemp in any area. Larry Johnson, same situation after his first injury he never became the kind of player he was and his performance with the knicks was a deception.

Vin Baker, again, he didn't play the whole 90s and he was not over the expectation when the trade happened leaving the sonics without a consistent PF like Kemp was. Kevin Willis, I would agree he was one of the top PF in the early 90's but like Barkley, age was getting over him. I don't think you would discuss he was over Kemp when talking about the whole 90s since his performance after 95 is not over Kemp's.

Now is why Kemp is supposed to be considered over the top Fowards of last decade. Kemp didn't have to score 20 to make an impact in the game, since his defense was all over, I don't think there are so many guys who can dominate the game like he did in general. Good in steals, block shots, and rebounds. When I said the only one that is hard to put him over is Pippen. Cause Pippen mostly did the same thing, he dominated every area of the game in the 90s.

[Clinton]

Agree with everything you said scubilete.

[michael myers]

Getting back to the discussion. Seattle was all Kemp when he was playing there

what so in 1990 when he was averaging 6.5 and 4.3, seattle was all kemp?

Obviously Clinton stated well in the 90's

i was saying that in kemp's career (which was the 1990's) he never did reach the level of dominique wilkins

Barkley, Malone, Wilkins are players that had their best times in the 80's so if you take the performance of the 90's, Kemp would be lightly better than those

seriously, what a loser.....

they won those cause there was no Magic & Bird

tim duncan won last years mvp because wilt chamberlain didn't play

Malone scoring has always being good but yet the fact of being old would make you say that he was not in his best to place him over Kemp why?

what the hell are you going on about

cause Karl Malone was needing 38 mins to get 10 rebs while Kemp would just need 33 mins

ok so kemp was a better rebounder than malone, but only just by a little. Kemp rp48-14.57
Malone rp48-14.15

wow what a huge difference

not bad scoring

more like he scored fuck all compared to malone

Wilkins would be in the same situation of being too old to be recognized that the 90's were his best years

where were you in 90,91,92,93,94

Same situation for Barkley who in general didn't have a top performance with Houston

still performed well enough to whup kemp's ass on n e given night

I would hardly say that Hill was not a top player when came to the league

if you're averaging 19.9/6.4/5 as a rookie and 20.2/9.8/6.9 in you're second year, you are a top player

he didn't play the whole 10 years of the 90's to make him compete with Kemp there

neither did michael jordan but he's still the best of the 90's

Webber didn't become a top player til he went to play for the Queens

scored more points than kemp, rebounded better than kemp, more assists, more steals, more blocks. nuff said

i love you scubilete i wish i was danny ferry and you was shaq

[Clinton]

what so in 1990 when he was averaging 6.5 and 4.3, seattle was all kemp?

Yeah, let's pick out his crappiest average. That's proving ya point.

i was saying that in kemp's career (which was the 1990's) he never did reach the level of dominique wilkins

All Wilkins could do was score. Kemp could play D and rebound. Wilkins may have been a better offensive player, but Kemp was the better all round player.

more like he scored fuck all compared to malone

Could that have anything to do with Malone be Utah's only offensive option. Like a few people have said, Seattle's was a more balanced attack.

clinton wrote:
i love you scubilete i wish i was danny ferry and you was shaq

I don't remember saying that, maybe it's all in your head?? Are you getting me mixed up in your weird fantasies??

[michael myers]

Yeah, let's pick out his crappiest average. That's proving ya point

why shouldn't i. scubilete wrote "Seattle was all Kemp when he was playing there" which means every year of the 1990's sept 98,99 seattle was kemps team which also happens to include 1990. being the most obvious choice as kemp's worst year my statement concluded that seattle was not all kemp when he was playing there, forfeitting his statement.

All Wilkins could do was score. Kemp could play D and rebound. Wilkins may have been a better offensive player, but Kemp was the better all round player

wilkins' rebound/assist figures:
83-5.2/2.7 (rookie)
84-7.2/1.6
85-6.9/2.5
86-7.9/2.4
87-6.2/3.3
88-6.4/2.9
89-6.9/2.6
90-6.5/2.5
91-9/3.3
92-6.9/3.8
93-6.8/3.2
94-6.5/2.3

ssssssssshhhhhhhh!!! can you hear that? these stats are speaking, and they're saying that wilkins could rebound extremely well for a SF plus get more assists than kemp. and where is your evidence as to where wilkins' couldn't play this "D" that kemp could.

Could that have anything to do with Malone be Utah's only offensive option. Like a few people have said, Seattle's was a more balanced attack

yes, thank you for pointing this out. All the Jazz had was Malone and Stockton to win basketball games, and thats what they did (more so than any other team besides chicago in the 90's) and kemp had this this balanced attack that you speak of and still couldn't win.

[Andrew]

I'm going to warn you one last time. If you call someone else a "loser" again, and especially if you post something like this again:

[quote=clinton]
i love you scubilete i wish i was danny ferry and you was shaq

[/quote]

You will be deleted. It's possible to get your point across with violating the rules and making personal attacks. That's your final warning.

[Rens]

i love you scubilete i wish i was danny ferry and you was shaq

Pity that was the last thing you could do like that or you'll get deleted.. or well.. at least there's a warning on you.. but it was funny hehe (no offense to Clinton, it could've been on anybody.. though the prank being on someone who gets away with

What the fuck is your problem?? Why bring that stupid shit up again. Did you get abused as a child and want someone to feel sorry for you? Maybe you have sick sexually driven dreams about raping young boys? Who knows, I can't figure out where this shit is coming from.

makes it more funny.

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Vin Baker

does anyone think he should retire now or what?

[scubilete]

what so in 1990 when he was averaging 6.5 and 4.3, seattle was all kemp?

which means every year of the 1990's sept 98,99 seattle was kemps team which also happens to include 1990

Michael, are you trying to say that it was Payton playing that year? Oh sorry, I forgot that you would make it 90 when for real is 89-90, that's not the starting of the 90's, the starting of the 90's is 90-91. You should know that but obviously you ignored it. Plus, everyone coming from HS to the league needs time to adapt their game to the league, you take Kemp's rookie year like you don't know Kemp was the 2nd player to jump to the league from HS,

Payton starting in the 90's
90-91 7.2 ppg
91-92 9.4 ppg
92-93 13.5 ppg

Now, do you still think that was Payton's team or would you like to express your opinion in some other way?

tim duncan won last years mvp because wilt chamberlain didn't play

I don't like to disrespect anyone around but sometimes using logic is usefull when you want to make your argument valuable. If Wilt Chamberlain was playing last year, he wouldn't get the MVP. My statement of Malone being MVP during those years was cause that was not the best year of Malone Career, something you would understand if you see his average but you decided to reply without using any logic.

what the hell are you going on about

Is that a question or a sentence?

ok so kemp was a better rebounder than malone, but only just by a little.

Yes, he was a better rebounder, was better blocking shots, was better stealing balls, etc. Thanks.

more like he scored fuck all compared to malone

He didn't have to score like Malone, that's the Point Michael. Pippen is the better SF of last decade and probably the best F overall last decade without having to score 25 ppg. And that's a fact, even if you don't want to admit it, everyone knows that well.

where were you in 90,91,92,93,94

I was watching him closer than never cause I loved the way he played. However, where did you leave all other years? Remember, we are talking about 90s, not just 5 years or 6.

still performed well enough to whup kemp's ass on n e given night

Yeah? show proofs, come with facts. Barkley as always good rebounder but when you see a player like him with average of 15 & 14, You just want to see him retired.

if you're averaging 19.9/6.4/5 as a rookie and 20.2/9.8/6.9 in you're second year, you are a top player

I said "I would hardly say Hill was not a top player" meaning I don't deny he was but did he played 90-91, 91-92, 92-93? again, you are trying to put players that just played 5 years as competitors for a place, that's like you want to say that Damon Stoudamire or Jason Kidd were the best PG of the 90s. It doesn't fit, does it?

neither did michael jordan but he's still the best of the 90's

Notice that MJ played 8 years, did Hill? If you are going to name someone, at least name someone who has played more than 7 years of the 90's.

scored more points than kemp, rebounded better than kemp, more assists, more steals, more blocks. nuff said

Did he? Ok, let's see.

Kemp in the 90s: Points: 13390, Rebs: 7490, Asst: 1506, Stl: 984, Blks: 1120.
Webber in the 90s: Pts: 8447, Rebs: 4075, Asst: 1725, Stl: 616, Blks: 736.

Now Michael, do you see how ridiculous is to argue & compare a player who played the complete 90s with someone who didn't?, I don't see Webber's stats over Kemp's other than assists, do you?. nuff said.

i love you scubilete i wish i was danny ferry and you was shaq

Awwwww, lol. Not a lot of people have the guts to declare themselves in a thread, but take it this way Michael: I don't have anything against Gays or Queers, but I do prefer Girls so maybe there's someone else in your town that can love you as you love me and that person can do what Shaq or myself could do for you, .

[GloveGuy]

I just want to point something out:

Who's the leader of the Pistons now? Who's their best player?

BEN WALLACE!

Does this guy score a lot? No. Does he need the ball at the end of the game on offense down the stretch? No. But is he still the leader of this Piston's team? YES.

Where are the Pistons now? FIRST PLACE IN THE EAST.

You don't have to fit the qualities that Michael Myers stated,

in seattle, it was always gary paytons team. Kemp didn't shoot the ball enough to be considered a leader and he never was. He was happy to sit back while payton ran the team.

kemp didn't take over 4th quarters
kemp didn't want the ball in pressure situations
kemp wasn't vocal enough to be a leader

to be a leader. And you don't even know if he wanted the ball or not. You don't know whether he was vocal or not. Seattle had many great players when Kemp was there(Gary Payton, each year, Rickey Pierce, Detlef Shremph, Sam Perkins, Eddie Johnson), that he didn't need score but he could still be a leader.

[michael myers]

Michael, are you trying to say that it was Payton playing that year?

no i'm trying to say is that in 1990, seattle wasn't kemp's team when you stated that "Seattle was all Kemp when he was playing there"

that's not the starting of the 90's

yes it is 89-90 is the start of the 90's

everyone coming from HS to the league needs time to adapt their game to the league

what has this got to do with anything?

I don't like to disrespect anyone around but sometimes using logic is usefull when you want to make your argument valuable

you call saying that malone won his mvp award in 97 because bird and magic wern't there logic?

Is that a question or a sentence

well obviously it is a question because it starts with 'what'

Yes, he was a better rebounder, was better blocking shots, was better stealing balls

no malone was better 'stealing balls' also better passer, better handler of the ball, and much better scorer

He didn't have to score like Malone, that's the Point Michael

obviously he did because seattle didn't win anything

Pippen is the better SF of last decade and probably the best F overall last decade without having to score 25 ppg. And that's a fact, even if you don't want to admit it, everyone knows that well.

no wilkins is the best SF of the 90's and Malone is the best overal F

was watching him closer than never cause I loved the way he played. However, where did you leave all other years? Remember, we are talking about 90s, not just 5 years or 6

i mention these years because wilkins displayed amazing basketball in this short time that nobody could reach of that same position for the rest of that decade

Yeah? show proofs, come with facts. Barkley as always good rebounder but when you see a player like him with average of 15 & 14, You just want to see him retired

ok, here are the 'proofs':
p/r/a/s/b/to
1997
Barkley 19.2/13.5/4.7/1.3/.47/2.85
Kemp 18.7/10/1.9/1.54/1/3.46
age-
Barkley 34
Kemp 28

1998
Barkley 15.2/11.7/3.2/1.04/.41/2.16
Kemp 18/9.3/2.5/1.35/1.13/3.39
Barkley 35
Kemp 29

1999
Barkley 16.1/12.3/4.6/1.02/.31/2.38
Kemp 20.5/9.2/2.4/1.14/1.07/3.02

that's like you want to say that Damon Stoudamire or Jason Kidd were the best PG of the 90s. It doesn't fit, does it?

no, but it would if they played as good as hill or wilkins for that amount of time

Notice that MJ played 8 years

MJ played 7 years and 18 games

Kemp in the 90s: Points: 13390, Rebs: 7490, Asst: 1506, Stl: 984, Blks: 1120.
Webber in the 90s: Pts: 8447, Rebs: 4075, Asst: 1725, Stl: 616, Blks: 736.

wow webber got more assists than kemp in only 6 years compared with kemp's 10. kemp really sucks. nuff said

[michael myers]

Seattle had many great players when Kemp was there(Gary Payton, each year, Rickey Pierce, Detlef Shremph, Sam Perkins, Eddie Johnson), that he didn't need score but he could still be a leader

yes pierce, johnson, perkins....great players

[scubilete]

yes it is 89-90 is the start of the 90's

Obviously Michael, you don't have any idea what a season is when you want to state that the 89 belongs to the 90s.

what has this got to do with anything?

Well, obviously you took the rookie year of Kemp trying showing how ridiculous an argument with you can be, asking others if that was Kemp's team.

you call saying that malone won his mvp award in 97 because bird and magic wern't there logic?

I didn't say Malone won that cause Magic & Bird were not there. I said Malone didn't win it earlier in the 80's cause obviously Magic, Bird & Jordan were taking all the MVPs, that's logic. Go back to history, watch some videos, read books if you didn't see those, then come and argue.

no malone was better 'stealing balls' also better passer, better handler of the ball, and much better scorer

Better stealing balls? Numbers don't show he was.
Better passing the ball? Not a PF job.
Better handler of the ball? What was Malone a PG?.
That's what you call he was better overall? Again, take just the 90's and show proofs, I showed you mine you have shown none, but your word which is just your opinion here.

obviously he did because seattle didn't win anything

Are you getting worse everyday or what?, I would ask you now, who of those players you mentioned have taken their teams to win anything? NONE. Try to use all your knowledge before you start arguing, if you don't have anything to say, just express your opinions but don't try to make great players look like idiots just cause they were not your favorites.

no wilkins is the best SF of the 90's and Malone is the best overal F

LOL, I'll take that as your personal opinion, since you have the right to do that.

i mention these years because wilkins displayed amazing basketball in this short time that nobody could reach of that same position for the rest of that decade

Exactly, Wilkins led the league in rebs, blocks, scoring & stealing and took his team to the finals,

ok, here are the 'proofs':

Michael, I'm not going to quote the whole thing, but you are getting worse everyday for real. Your proofs are just telling me Barkley was a better rebounder, lol. You even made bold Kemp steals & blocks, also Points, .

MJ played 7 years and 18 games

MJ Played 8 years, either if you like it or not, cause obviously that doesn't count like 18 games, that's a season.

wow webber got more assists than kemp in only 6 years compared with kemp's 10. kemp really sucks.

lol, that's dumb. Michael, I'm going to ask you 2 questions before I continue. What do you think is the Job of a PF?, Do you have any idea what a PG is supposed to do in a game? Just cause Stockton has more assists than MJ makes Stock better than MJ? .

Like Kemp Job was to pass the ball . Since you have your opinion, I prefer to stop cause all you have shown me in this last post is that my knowledge is burning your brain and I'm not supposed to do that.

[michael myers]

Obviously Michael, you don't have any idea what a season is when you want to state that the 89 belongs to the 90s

89-90 is the start of the 1990's you fucking retard (i don't care andrew, it had to be said)you don't know shit about nba man i knew that you're knowledge of the nba was poor when you said kemp is better than malone but this just blows my mind

Well, obviously you took the rookie year of Kemp trying showing how ridiculous an argument with you can be, asking others if that was Kemp's team

you just don't seem to get it do you.....for the last time you wrote "seattle was all kemp's team when he was there" KEMP WAS THERE IN THE 1990 SEASON WHEN HE AVERAGED THOSE PATHETIC STATISTICS SO SEATTLE WASN'T ALL KEMP'S WHEN HE WAS THERE

didn't say Malone won that cause Magic & Bird were not there. I said Malone didn't win it earlier in the 80's cause obviously Magic, Bird & Jordan were taking all the MVPs

.....pathetic. this has once again got nothing to do with kemp being better than malone. Malone=2 MVP's Kemp=0

Better stealing balls? Numbers don't show he was

look again

Better passing the ball? Not a PF job

any players job is to find the open man

Better handler of the ball? What was Malone a PG

what? check kemp's turnovers

I showed you mine

all you showed me is that you're stupid

who of those players you mentioned have taken their teams to win anything? NONE. Try to use all your knowledge before you start arguing, if you don't have anything to say, just express your opinions but don't try to make great players look like idiots just cause they were not your favorites

we are talking about malone and kemp. utah won more regular season and playoff games than seattle. oh and plus utah didn't lose a 1vs8 matchup in the playoffs either

for real

oh fo' sho'?

Your proofs are just telling me Barkley was a better rebounder, lol. You even made bold Kemp steals & blocks, also Points

i should've known you wouldn't be able to distinguish between the better players. Any 5 year old would tell you that Barkley had similar if not better stats than Kemp in each of those years

What do you think is the Job of a PF

to fill up all statistical categories to the best of they're ability and to keep turnovers to a minimum. You think KG would be getting as much credit as he is now if he didn't average 6 assists per game?

my knowledge is burning your brain

.....you can't get much more ridiculous than this, well i hope not

[GloveGuy]

89-90 is the start of the 1990's you fucking retard

No it isn't. What decade is 1989 part of? Exactly. A season has to completely be in the 90's to be considered part of the 90's. Gary Payton entered the league at the beginning of the 90's. Shawn Kemp started playing at the end of the 80's.

Seattle WAS Kemp's team for most of the time he was there. Even if he did share it with Gary Payton, Ricky Pierce(a very good player in the 80's and late 90's), or maybe Nate McMilllan. But he, for most of the time he was there, was the leader.

.....pathetic. this has once again got nothing to do with kemp being better than malone. Malone=2 MVP's Kemp=0

That's not the point he was intending to make in that response. But good try.

any players job is to find the open man

No it isn't. Shawn Kemp could've found a man who could of hit another man who had a better shot. But would Shawn Kemp get the assist? No. But did he set up the play? Yes. And it isn't his job when you have Gary Payton as your PG.

we are talking about malone and kemp. utah won more regular season and playoff games than seattle. oh and plus utah didn't lose a 1vs8 matchup in the playoffs either

In some seasons, Utah won more and in some Seattle won more. Seattle was first seed once or twice. And yeah they did lose that series but you're just using one series to prove something. Not all the blame is gonna be put on Kemp. And Seattle did go to the Finals in 1996.

to fill up all statistical categories to the best of they're ability and to keep turnovers to a minimum. You think KG would be getting as much credit as he is now if he didn't average 6 assists per game?

The goal of any player, is to go out on to the court and contribute to their team as much as they can. Their goal is to help their team win, whether it's making a pass, a shot, or a rebound, a block, or a steal. Anything they can do. KG wouldn't get as much credit if he didn't get his 6 assists but if he didn't and his team got out of the first round, he'd get even more.

BTW, nice job responding to my post about being a leader. And Sam Perkins, Eddie Johnson, and Ricky Pierce all did make large contributions in their time in Seattle.

[scubilete]

nice job responding to my post about being a leader. And Sam Perkins, Eddie Johnson, and Ricky Pierce all did make large contributions in their time in Seattle.

Don't worry Gloveguy, Michael don't even know who were Eddie Johnson & R. Pierce, obviously he just know players who like to shoot the ball (like Dominique) and don't appreciate anything related with defense or other aspects of the game that made players valuable.

89-90 is the start of the 1990's you fucking retard

There's only one retard in the whole forum Michael and you see it everytime you look at the mirror. Too bad there are mirrors in you house if there's any.

you don't know shit about nba man

If shit is something related to you, I don't know that. But I know about the NBA which is very different to the knowledge you have "NONE".

when you said kemp is better than malone but this just blows my mind

Obviously, as stated before, there's something wrong with your brain, I didn't want to mess up your brain but try to use it more often and it will develop. Nobody else has complain about my points but you, since everyone but you knows what the phrase "Best F in a period of time" means. You come with Dominique & Malone who obviously were great scorers and just cause that they are the best in the decade, cause their scoring .

You don't even have any idea what the job of a PF is, you don't know what a PG is supposed to do and you call yourself a fan of this game?. Then you expect others to understand your points when you don't know anything about the positions the players play. You don't know what is the mission of every player position and you start talking trash with "F" words calling other names just cause they have a better knowledge than you?. , You are not able to understand anything around here so you start bla bla like you are doing and I meant it, that's all you are showing.

for the last time you wrote "seattle was all kemp's team when he was there"

And for the last time for your information, it was. Go back to history Michael, you need it. Do me a favor, take a ride in Clinton's Time Machine "Since you decided not to do it the first time, I bet it is needed cause you know nothing and start bla bla like you have been doing for so long". That way you will have a better knowledge of who was the main player of Seattle when Kemp played there.

.....pathetic. this has once again got nothing to do with kemp being better than malone. Malone=2 MVP's Kemp=0

I was planning to stop posting but I refuse to see idiot comments like yours ruining the legacy of the game I play. MVPs don't make anyone better than anybody else, it just means they had a good year and again those were not the best years of Malone.

all you showed me is that you're stupid

All you are showing is that you have no brain left.

we are talking about malone and kemp. utah won more regular season and playoff games than seattle.

That's the most idiotic comment I've ever seen. Utah won more regular season & playoff games than seattle. . Like that means they won anything for that. Michael thought = "The NBA should give a trophy to Utah for winning so many season & playoff games".

Any 5 year old would tell you that Barkley had similar if not better stats than Kemp in each of those years

Obviously any 5 year old or yourself would say that cause they don't have any idea what better stats are. You made bold most of Kemp stats and you are now saying that a 5 yo or yourself could distinguish what you couldn't.

to fill up all statistical categories to the best of they're ability and to keep turnovers to a minimum.

So that means the PG doesn't have to do anything. Go and learn the game, your comments are degrading the Art of the Game.

You think KG would be getting as much credit as he is now if he didn't average 6 assists per game?

Obviously KG hasn't averaged 6 assists per game every year and still he has gotten his credit, so your point of assists being the most important thing for a power forward has no sense like all your comments.

[Andrew]

(i don't care andrew, it had to be said)

No, it did not have to be said. But it's a good thing that you don't care.

[GR-13]

No it isn't. What decade is 1989 part of? Exactly

who won the 1998 championship? the bulls or the spurs? exactly

Seattle WAS Kemp's team for most of the time he was there. Even if he did share it with Gary Payton, Ricky Pierce(a very good player in the 80's and late 90's), or maybe Nate McMilllan. But he, for most of the time he was there, was the leader

i agree if you put dale ellis, xavier mcdaniel, and benoit benjamin onto that list and take away pierce

That's not the point he was intending to make in that response

i don't care what point he was trying to make because all his points are pathetic

And it isn't his job when you have Gary Payton as your PG

ok according to you a PF's job is not to get assists
subject a: 15p, 8r, 6a, 2s, 1blk
subject b: 15p, 8r, 0a, 2s, 1blk

you tell me which one looks better

In some seasons, Utah won more and in some Seattle won more. Seattle was first seed once or twice.

utah won more games on average during the 90's during the season, and playoffs

you're just using one series to prove something

no just thought i'd bring it up so i can laugh

And Seattle did go to the Finals in 1996

see? you are using 1996 for season 1995/96 thank you for proving my point. oh and utah also went to the finals in 97 and 98

nice job responding to my post about being a leader. And Sam Perkins, Eddie Johnson, and Ricky Pierce all did make large contributions in their time in Seattle

yes they did, but they wern't 'great' players, even schrempf wasn't 'great'

i'll attend to scubilete's post later

[BJ Blazkowics]

There's only one retard in the whole forum Michael and you see it everytime you look at the mirror. Too bad there are mirrors in you house if there's any

If shit is something related to you, I don't know that

speaking in retard language again are we?

there's something wrong with your brain

Then you expect others to understand your points when you don't know anything about the positions the players play

untrue, but if true, its still better than knowing nothing about everything like yourself

that's all you are showing

all you are showing is that you are as much of a nobody as kemp is today

cause they have a better knowledge than you?

actually it is because i get frustrated with stupid minds that don't know anything about the nba. also it gets frustrating after 10 times of repeating the same shit yet you still don't seem to get it.

Do me a favor, take a ride in Clinton's Time Machine

what? all you ride is clinton's ass

And for the last time for your information, it was

for the last time, you are retarded. go kill yourself. you are nothing.

ruining the legacy of the game I play

yes my comments are ruining the legacy of the game.....idiot

MVPs don't make anyone better than anybody else

well it does prove that they are more valuable

it just means they had a good year and again those were not the best years of Malone

it doesn't fucking matter if that wasn't his best year. what matters is who he has to compare with at that time. and even if it wasn't his best years i could name atleast 10 season's that malone was 'better' than kemp

All you are showing is that you have no brain left

Like that means they won anything for that

well it does mean that utah was more successful than seattle

5 yo or yourself could distinguish what you couldn't

a 5 yr old or me or whoever can read in this whole world accept you and people of your pitiful mentality

your comments are degrading the Art of the Game

and still he has gotten his credit, so your point of assists being the most important thing for a power forward has no sense like all your comments

when exactly did i say that assists is the most important thing for a power forward? or are you just making up shit again

[Stevan]

aaahhhhh.... a flame war! I'd almost forgotten what one of these looks like. Memories... sweet memories j/k.

So how long before BJ gets his "Guest" status? lol.

[scubilete]

BJ = "Brainless Jackass",