Kobe 4 MVP!

Of course, nobody said it was going to be easy. Also, that is the strategy, Jackson wants to let others know how dangerous Kobe can be, at the moment you get few guys for kobe, Shaq will score 40 even after missing 10 or 15 free throws. Oh wait, Shaq used to miss free throws, that's a new one.

Kobe's numbers are outstanding, but the Lakers are a disappointment this season. The MVP award is decided before the playoffs and Kobe has no hope of winning if his team isn't performing well...

After taking a look at KG's numbers, I think Kobe does have some competition. He's leading the Wolves in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals, with perhaps the best all around numbers of his career.

Remember that Magic got few MVPs with Jabbar and Worthy on his team. And Jabbar was considered just much better than Shaq at that time, cause you couldn't foul him.

Good point, but the Lakers have always seemed to miss Shaq more than Kobe, especially earlier this season. I maintain that Kobe has a better supporting cast than say, Kevin Garnett, which is why I consider KG in a better position to take the award. KG is pretty much doing it alone in Minnesota as guys like Joe Smith (these days it's hard to believe he went 1st and KG went 5th back in 1995) aren't playing up to expectations.

Without Shaq, the Lakers still have Kobe. Without Kobe, the Lakers still have Shaq. Without KG, the Wolves are the Cavaliers - a few good players, but higher numbers in the L column. That's my reasoning for KG being the "most valuable" to his team.

Hey, Every superstar is the most valuable for his own team, no doubt. I agree with that, that's why all my jokes about what would you do now that Kobe is putting those numbers, there's no way you can try to stop both guys at the same time.

KG is pretty much doing it alone in Minnesota

He's got Wally back now, so he has some help on offence. Troy Hudson has also slowed down after a great start to the season.

The Best Player In The League, Kevin Garnett, better win it, or else The Best Player On The Best Team Currently (ahead of Detroit, Portland, Minnesota and Milwaukee), Tim Duncan, better win it. Anyone else, wins it, it's a felony and a terrorist attack on this great country.

The MVP award is decided before the playoffs

It is?

As for Garnett, he is playing very well but what makes him the best? If you becuase he lacks quality teamates the same could be said for Tmac... Fwark, back up opinions with facts?

T-Mac is another player whose chances of winning the MVP are increased by his lack of a strong/consistent supporting cast. Remember, by definition, Most Valuable Player does not mean the best player in the NBA - but the player who was most valuable to his team ie. of all the stars in the league, he was the most crucial to his team's success.

The Wolves are doing better than the Magic, which is why KG would get more consideration than T-Mac, despite similar problems with each roster.

Similar roster problems, but I think the Magic's is worse than the Timberwolves. If you look at the stats you see Tmac has to carry more of the offensive load and is doing it quite well with still respectable shooting numbers. That to me is a good indictation of Orlando with a weaker team.. Offensively at least.

Agreed, Orlando has the weaker team. I guess winning just highlights your accomplishments, which is why more credit is being given to KG for carrying the Wolves to (at the time of writing) 32-20 without a better supporting cast, while McGrady's Magic have slipped to 9th in the East. I don't think there's ever been a regular season MVP from a team that did not make the playoffs - if there has been, it's a very rare occurence.

Heh I guess the same could be said for Kobe. If they don't make the playoffs...

I wonder who the mvp was whose team had the lowest seeding entering the playoffs was?

Heh I guess the same could be said for Kobe. If they don't make the playoffs...

I'd say so too, team success makes individual accomplishments look much better.

I wonder who the mvp was whose team had the lowest seeding entering the playoffs was?

It's trivia like this that will annoy me until I or someone else stumbles across the answer.

stat wise Kobe deserves MVP hands down, BUT where was the team w/o Shaq? on the bottom, thus some might say that Shaq is the teams MVP, but since the Lakers supporting cast is paper thin can't blame them for getting off to a sucky start, cos Kobe was the ONLY option

A team must have more than 1 good player in order to win. T-mac is the only good player in the Magic, see what they've got. Lakers didn't have a good start is because they didn't care but Kobe. Remember basketball is not a single person's game.

There's no way that Duncan can win the MVP, go check out his stats, he got worse than last year. T-mac can win the MVP if and only if he can lead the team to the playoff this year, Lakers now has better record than they do, plus Kamp is out. Now Kobe average 29.6ppg, and this number is still increasing, so Kobe is my choice.

kobe who? who's that ?

I'd say Lebron James for MVP!!!! yeah! and that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so!

Can you two stop this harmony?, it's sick.

No, nobody has won the MVP award with their team out of the playoffs, but Wes Unseld MVP 68-69 season in Baltimore got swept by the Knicks in the first round becoming I think the only MVP not getting to even the 2nd round.

Anyway, the Lakers are making the playoffs, period.

A team must have more than 1 good player in order to win. T-mac is the only good player in the Magic, see what they've got. Lakers didn't have a good start is because they didn't care but Kobe. Remember basketball is not a single person's game.

no, T-mac has M. Miller(he's averagin 20 ppg when T-mac isn't playing), Armstrong, G.Hill (if healthy could lead that team to a better record w/o T-mac, than T-mac can w/o hill), Kemp (really he's not bad), and Garrity(he's probably not all that good, just can shoot lights out). Besides Orl. has a better record w/o T-mac. Thats MVP huh?
About the Kobe thing, only way he'll win it is because all the hype is on him this year. I mean he's done so well he got the attention over the big guy, you know the MOST DOMINATING PLAYER IN THE L. he's doing well, MVP well, but i guess the whole Shaq thing will stop the trophy from reaching Kobe's hands. I hope he gets it, but i doubt it. I still think he is the best player in the L though (thats another matter though)

Hands down, T. Duncan is MVP. Too bad rarely players are MVP back to back.
Who care what the stats say, look at the team success, Duncans leading them too. Whats Garnet leading his team to? 1st round, 5th seed, out of playoffs in May, sounds MVP.???

Can you two stop this harmony?, it's sick.

Care to explain that remark?

Pfft, Kevin Garnett has far less support than McGrady, especially considering Wally has been out all year and not playing anywhere near as good as he should be. McGrady also has Hill, Armstrong and Garrity/Kemp who more talented than Smith/Nesterovic.

The only reason I count out Duncan is because he won it last year. Therefore there is only one other option, the only player to average 20ppg, 10rpg, 5apg and someone who is keeping his team in the playoffs (9-2 in the last 11 games?) despite injuries, underachievement and impeccible odds.

Another 40 points game for Kobe, he tied the Lakers record for consecutive games with 40+. Great performance but the Lakers lost without Shaq, again.

How many is that now?

Damn..., I lost the count,

Kevin Garnett has far less support than McGrady

I disagree totally. Have a look at the rosters... give or take Wally/ Hill

especially considering Wally has been out all year and not playing anywhere near as good as he should be. McGrady also has Hill

Hmm, you need to make up your mind. You can't use the Wolves not having Wally as a point for KG then say TMac has hill. He had for what? 15 games?

Armstrong

Armstrong isnt much anymore. Vaughn is starting ahead of him.

Garrity/Kemp who more talented than Smith/Nesterovic

That is simply your opinion again. I would rather Nesterovic and Smith than kemp and garrity at the moment.

Can you two stop this harmony?, it's sick

Excuse me?

I think he meant that it isn't a discussion it was just a follow up of posts with one stating a fact the other agreeing, etc.

Grant Hill 29 games (29 starts), Wally 23 (13 starts).

Rasho 11ppg 6.3rpg (29.7mpg), Smith 8.7ppg, 5.6rpg (23mpg).. total 19.7ppg, 11.9rpg 2.56 bpg (man Elton Brand can do this by himself..) in 52.7mpg

Garrity 11.2ppg, 3.8rpg (33.6 mins), Kemp 7.8ppg, 6.3rpg (23 mins).. total 19ppg, 10.1rpg, 1.7spg in 56.6 mpg

Statistically they seem about even to me.

kobe who? who's that ?

I'd say Lebron James for MVP!!!! yeah! and that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so!

Lebron who? whos that?
oh u mean the guy whos a "High School" star
theres a big difference between high school and the NBA

kobe who? who's that ?

I'd say Lebron James for MVP!!!! yeah! and that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so!

Lebron who? whos that?
oh u mean the guy whos a "High School" star
theres a big difference between high school and the NBA

yup, just like kobe - big in HS, first few seasons in the L a bench-boy...

the best guys from NCAA will score ~20ppg on their rookie season