Eddy Curry Trade a March Flop

[Fenix]

Add passing to his list of minuses. He has to be the worst passing big man in the League - and it's not even close. That should be one of the advantages with having a dominant post player around - that you could run offense through him, simply threw him the ball, watch the defense collapse and then he could just pass it out on the perimeter. Shaq does it all the time - this is how he makes his teams so good. Knicks cannot do that with that pile of shit called Eddy Curry, because he couldn't pass the ball to a Great wall of China.

[The_Flying_Tomato]

what matters is that curry is going for 25-10 with 2 blocks a night in my knicks nba live dynasty. 2 straight all * appearances, he's 26 years old.

[Andrew]

i agree with Axel. Curry is one of the few true post players so of course he's going to get many high % scoring opportunities. and he just doesn't dunk all the time. you know, andrew, he likes to get good position to set up that little baby hook up of his. plus he's gotten 'smarter' by taking less jump shots

I'm aware he doesn't just dunk all the time. Perhaps that's what my post seemed to say but that wasn't my intention. Anyhow, Ben's actually brought up the stats I was referring to about his inside field goal percentage.

Again, I don't think he's an awful player but I do think parts of his game can be criticised without "hating", and I still rate the trade as being bad from the Knicks point of view regardless of Curry not being a terrible player simply because it hasn't gotten them anywhere despite getting more talent out of the deal and they'll have nothing to show for it since their terrible season will result in a high draft pick they don't own.

[Laxation]

lets call him Ey Curry since he has no D


...yes i am stealing the Irk one...

[The_Flying_Tomato]

lets call him Ey Curry since he has no D


...yes i am stealing the Irk one..

way to be original

[Laxation]

way to miss a good opportunity to shut up

[The_Flying_Tomato]

I'm pretty good at that.

[Bang]

So...they gave the Bulls an unprotected pick? Well...that was just retarded.

[Jeffx]

I think it's a fair enough call to say it was a bad move. The team is doing no better, Curry hasn't shown much improvement (if any, aside from slight statistical raises in a couple of areas) and could very well never be the player the Knicks want him to be, plus the team has given up the best chance it would've had this offseason to improve their team (a pick that is basically guaranteed top five at this juncture).

Who knows, two, three years down the road things could be very different as a result of the Curry deal and it could be hailed as the greatest move in Knicks history. But for now all we can judge the deal upon is what it's done for the Knicks so far and the position it's placed them in for the immediate future. Curry isn't inept so it's not a terrible deal but it's definitely not a good one for the Knicks.

Now, you can't blame all the Knicks' woes on Curry, no question that's unfair. But again, the knock on the deal is that it didn't make the Knicks any better and cost them a really important commodity, that being the first round pick. A commodity that's made even more important and valuable by the fact the Knicks are one of the worst teams in the league ensuring that pick is going to be high. One saving grace (as the article mentions) is that there's no LeBron or Shaq or other immediate impact player perceived to be a franchise saving individual. But it's still a blown opportunity at improving the team and starting some sort of youth movement and New York has little to show for it.

You're on point Andrew. Your post expressed Knick fans frustrations perfectly. This was a bad deal from the start. WTF was Isiah thinking, not protecting the pick? This franchise was already in the cesspool - Isiah set us back 7-10 more years with this move. Add to that Curry's lousy defense, rebounding & work ethic, and you understand why we're hatin'. Isiah & Jim Dolan have f----d this franchise over. I lived and died with this team since 1970, and believe me, it's never been this bad. Since the owner can't be fired, we're screwed.

[air gordon]

I'd take Kwame Brown over Eddy Curry in a heartbeat. Even if he can't score 14 per game, he can play D. when he choses to.

Brown isn't even a great defender, let alone has he had one full decent season. Brown has strung together a few games and all of sudden he's some hero. At least Curry has lead the league in FG% (beating Shaq, who was still in his prime) and was the #1 scoring option on a playoff team last year

and it's more difficult/expensive to find a legit, low post scorer then some big man that plays 'defense'... when he chooses to

but hey, Curry's heart may just give up on him in his next game, God forbid, and change the argument in favor of the Brown athletic supporters

[J@3]

I'd rather someone who can contain the likes of Shaq and Duncan when he choses to as opposed to some overweight man-child who only discovered he even had a heart last season.

[air gordon]

OMG!!!!11111 Kwame Brown for NBA's 1st all defensive team!

Curry was defending Shaq well & scoring on him easily when Shaq was still in his prime. ..with a busted ticker

according to your logic, Curry has been surviving/living without a heart for about 22yrs

[J@3]

I have no idea what you just said in that post. Is it worth clarifying or should I just not care?

[shadowgrin]

If Thomas winds up playing for the Bulls, I'm going on a shooting spree at MSG.

Wave and say "Hi NLSC!" when a news camera gets a shot of you. Just be sure you do it before snipers take down your crazy ass.

I'll give Curry 1 more season to improve under Larry Brown's magic before permanently calling him a bust.

[air gordon]

jae- do whatever you want. you'd rather have some guy that has put together maybe one month's work of decent games as a 3rd or 4th option then some guy that has had several productive seasons as a 1st or 2nd option anyway

[Jeffx]

I'll give Curry 1 more season to improve under Larry Brown's magic before permanently calling him a bust.

I get into so many arguments about Curry....my homies keep saying he has potential. I'm like, please. Can he at least get in shape first before we start talking about potential? Yeah, he has offense, but I see no defense, no fire or nastiness in his game. IMO, Curry is too soft to be a solid big man. You can't teach heart & desire. Ewing had flaws in his game, but he brought it every night.

[air gordon]

i don't think he'll ever live up to the contract Zeke gave him

[Matthew]

Curry has shown some signs of improvement and he is only 22. You have to remember he did have a pretty serious heart condition last season which impacted on his training in the off season. I'm not making excuses for him, but when you take that into account, plus the fact he is on a team with stephon marbury, francis, crawford, richardson and jalen rose (all of whom arent really known for sharing the basketball, especially big men in the post), and also the culture shock of playing with Larry Brown as well, its easy to see why he has had a slow start.

But people are making out that Magic, Jordan, Shaq and Duncan are all in this draft. There are no real superstars in this draft other than Morrison, who reminds me of Wally Szcerbiak more than Larry Bird.

Just to prove the draft is no sure thing, look at some of the players who have been taken in the top 3 in the past few drafts: Darko, Marvin Williams, Jay Williams, Mike Dunleavy, Andrew Bogut, Kwame Brown and Tyson Chandler. None of those guys have been close to being an all star, and most have struggled to even hold down a solid starting position. Now I know there are some extenuating circumstances (This is Bogut and Williams first season, and Jay Williams did have the motorbike accident), but just becuase you have a high pick doesnt mean a thing most of the time. The Bulls will be able to tell you that personally when you look at some of their draftings; Jay Williams, Marcus Fizer, Chandler, Curry and Crawford.

[air gordon]

But people are making out that Magic, Jordan, Shaq and Duncan are all in this draft. There are no real superstars in this draft other than Morrison, who reminds me of Wally Szcerbiak more than Larry Bird.

other then the one-eyed Dicky V, what people are saying their are a bunch of superstar/franchise players in the upcoming draft?

Just to prove the draft is no sure thing, look at some of the players who have been taken in the top 3 in the past few drafts: Darko, Marvin Williams, Jay Williams, Mike Dunleavy, Andrew Bogut, Kwame Brown and Tyson Chandler. None of those guys have been close to being an all star, and most have struggled to even hold down a solid starting position. Now I know there are some extenuating circumstances (This is Bogut and Williams first season, and Jay Williams did have the motorbike accident), but just becuase you have a high pick doesnt mean a thing most of the time. The Bulls will be able to tell you that personally when you look at some of their draftings; Jay Williams, Marcus Fizer, Chandler, Curry and Crawford.

i agree that the draft is somewhat of a crapshoot but let's not exaggerate it. Some haven't lived up to expectations. But at the same time there are some that have turned out as solid players, some even "superstars"(just going off the drafts you referred to and i'm adding the 4th pick since the team who finished with the worst record can draft no worse then 4th): Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor, Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Yao Ming, Pau Gasol

Keep in mind a lot of the rebuilding teams have gotten their star player or star players to be via the draft.

and personally I think the Bulls have been hosed almost everytime they have a high pick during the Krause post Championship Era. i don't know if it was bad karma or what. but that's another story

[Matthew]

other then the one-eyed Dicky V, what people are saying their are a bunch of superstar/franchise players in the upcoming draft?

Oh no analysts i can think of off hand, but the conception is this is is a horrible trade for the knicks even though the draft pick position hasnt been solidified yet, let alone a player taken.

i agree that the draft is somewhat of a crapshoot but let's not exaggerate it. Some haven't lived up to expectations. But at the same time there are some that have turned out as solid players, some even "superstars"(just going off the drafts you referred to and i'm adding the 4th pick since the team who finished with the worst record can draft no worse then 4th): Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor, Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Yao Ming, Pau Gasol

Oh yeah I agree, Melo, Meka, Lebron, Ben Gordon have been great in their short periods of time in the league, but I cant really see a player like that emerging from this draft.

Now dont get me wrong, the Bulls will probably make a safe pick and get a solid big man with the pick. But the reaction to this trade has been way exagerrated. If Eddy Curry did goto college, and the knicks took him with their pick, something tells me there would be nothing but praise for the selection. I just think Knicks fans have to settle down. Even Jeffx said it, the knicks are a mess and it will take a long time for it to get better, so panicing will do no good.

And if you dont like it, well there are 29 other teams in the league. you arent forced to support the knicks.

[Andrew]

Oh no analysts i can think of off hand, but the conception is this is is a horrible trade for the knicks even though the draft pick position hasnt been solidified yet, let alone a player taken.

Fair call, but at this time we can only judge the trade by what it's done for the Knicks so far and the immediate position it's placed them in. The Knicks should finish low enough to secure a top five pick, either through winning one of the top three through the lottery or their ranking amongst the remaining lottery teams if they don't get top three. Even if there's no "saviour" coming in this draft, it would appear that there's a few really good players available and high picks will ensure a team can snag one of those players.

In the normal case, the Knicks would be able to benefit from that since the trade didn't help them get better this season (though that's not to say Curry made them worse, simply that it didn't achieve the desired results) but they'd be able to add one of the top college talents. However, they can't do that since they've traded the pick. Perhaps it's unfair and somewhat premature to call the trade terrible, I have to concede that but I don't think it can be a called a good trade at this time.

Depending on how the player the Bulls select turns out, what else the Knicks do to improve and how each team fares in the coming years will allow us to make a stronger assessment of the trade. But given the Knicks' other options for rebuilding this coming offseason are somewhat restricted and they've lost a chance at securing cream of the crop talent coming out of college, I think it's fair to say the trade was not the savvy move or the worthwhile gamble the organisation hoped it would be, at the very least.

[air gordon]

keep in mind, matthew, that the Bulls also have the option to swap picks with NYK in NEXT year's draft (plus 2 2nd rounders)