I'm sick of Kobe, I'm sick of the Lakers..

[J@3]

I second that surprised looking picture... thing.

[GloveGuy]

yer maybe Kobe doesnt need to talk anymore.
let his play do the talking, hes turning into a triple-double machine, and seems like he may start to shoot properly again.

Please, triple doubles from a guy like Kobe only prove how big of a ballhog he is. This is classic, eighties Jordan.

I don't care if Kobe can rack up 10 assists a game, because that only shows how much he really has the ball. He either shoots it or sets someone up. Sorry, but he's doing too much.

I'd rather him put up lesser stats, and put more trust into his teammates' abilities. It's hard to understand, but the better statistics that Kobe puts up, the less better his teammates improve.

[fgrep15]

Less better sounds weird, common though, Kobe's had some good games, yea he hogs sometimes, okay more than sometimes, but he played the kind of good basketball I'd like to see againt the Kings, but with a weak defensive team like that you could ay it won't be the norm.

Their best perimeter defender in Christie isn't a one on one shutdown defender, but more of an off ball defender, but he played good, and he played well in some other games too.

[Yessie]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I am here to bring to your attention an evil, heinous entity that has infected the National Basketball Association. His name? Osama Bean Bryant. I've studied him for quite some time now and have carefully outlined this miscreant's pernicious deeds. I warn you in advance what you are about to read will shock, offend, nauseate and surfeit you in ways that are unimaginable.

- cunningly framed Scott Peterson and also volunteered his services to perform the lethal injection, with the bevel down.

- once when visiting a Children's hospital he gave a 10 year old diabetic a 5 lb. bag of Skittles and a root beer float.

- was the third shooter on the grassy knoll.

- reportedly gave Michael Jackson young actor Haley Joel Osment's (from the movie Sixth Sense) cell phone number and told him to "holla".

- incited the Watts riots in 1965.

- upon meeting legendary boxing great Muhammed Ali, he greeted him with, "So, what's shaking?"

- wrote and directed the movie "Gigli."

- successfully convinced young Ashlee Simpson that it was "okay to lip sync, who's going to find out?"

- shot rappers Notorious B.I.G, Tupac Shakur and gave ODB the 2 bags of white substances found in his stomach via the autopsy.

- the first African-American member of the Klu Klux Klan.

- Bob Marley shot the sheriff, Kobe shot the deputy.

- when Joan of Arc was burned at the stake, Kobe lit the match while singing Lloyd Banks' rap song, "On Fire."

- once giggled uncontrollably when a man in a wheelchair involved in an altercation with a supervisor yelled, "I won't be pushed around!"

- helped Baltimore Ravens' runningback Jamal Lewis broker the drug deal, he recieved an assist for his efforts.

- was responsible for Hurricane Andrew.

- was one of the police officers who bludgeoned and beat Rodney King.

- he was really the culprit who gave Barry Bonds the flakseed oil and clear cream.

- sold singer Whitney Houston crack cocaine.

- He was a personal advisor for the following dictators: Fidel Castro, Augusto Pinochet, Nikolas Ceaucescu, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-tung, Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Adolph Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, and Attila the Hun.

- He was responsible for the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906, and the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 (and everyone thought it was Mrs. O’Leary’s cow . . .)

- He said to O.J. Simpson, “I’m really not sure what you were so jealous about, but I guess I could take a stab at it . . . and to Robert Blake, “Your late wife must’ve really gotten on your nerves – of course, that’s just a shot in the dark . . .”

- He sold guns and explosive materials to Columbine H.S. students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

- Knows the location of Jimmy Hoffa's body.

- He turned over “inside” stock trade information to Martha Stewart.

So now I ask you fellow Americans, how can we possibly let this knave continue on his cankerous mission? Thank God there are a few voices of reason out there like BSPN: The World Wide Leader in Sensationalism who are well aware of this rapscallion. Most notably, Screamin A. Smith and Dan PaTRICK but they cannot do it alone!

Who's with me? WE MUST DESTROY HIM!

ok i know i dont agree with the osama remarks but this has to be one of the funniest post i have ever read. i couldnt stop laughing

[Sauru]

gotta be honest here, but to me this post sounds nothing more than an official " i am jumping off the bandwagon" post.

[John-John Joe]

yer maybe Kobe doesnt need to talk anymore.
let his play do the talking, hes turning into a triple-double machine, and seems like he may start to shoot properly again.

Please, triple doubles from a guy like Kobe only prove how big of a ballhog he is. This is classic, eighties Jordan.

I don't care if Kobe can rack up 10 assists a game, because that only shows how much he really has the ball. He either shoots it or sets someone up. Sorry, but he's doing too much.

I'd rather him put up lesser stats, and put more trust into his teammates' abilities. It's hard to understand, but the better statistics that Kobe puts up, the less better his teammates improve.

[Ataraxia]

Maybe we should start having some love for all players....I mean after all what are we but guys that post in a NBA LIVE forum !!!

I dunno but from now on Im gonna avoid posting "hater" comments...makes me no better than Chad Ford and company and the rest of this damn world.

Reality is, they got talent in the b-ball arena.....and a handful here have a talent to be a "somebody" on the internet. But do we really care abt those ppl.....or wait we just say that in a post but then we start hating each other and forgetting that u're supposed to not care....fact is ppl do care on the net, worst part is trying to hide it.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LALALALALALALA........

31st Night, Buck 1 Buck 2 Buck 3!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GloveGuy]

Less better sounds weird, common though, Kobe's had some good games, yea he hogs sometimes, okay more than sometimes, but he played the kind of good basketball I'd like to see againt the Kings, but with a weak defensive team like that you could ay it won't be the norm.

I just feel as if Kobe's hindering the development of his teammates. If he could bring himself down to earth, and realize that there's four other players on his team who have great skills and abilities of their own, then the Lakers will be much better in the long run.

I look at these ridiculous stats and all I can think of is when Jordan averaged 30, 8, and 8 in a year -- arguably his best year statistically. The key to beating that Bulls team was to put all energy into MJ as he fought through triples teams and his teammates just watched him try and set everything up.

Right now, all teams really need to do is focus on Kobe. If he could play more into the Lakers system instead of trying to be the scorer AND playmaker on this team, then teams will have to alter their defensive strategy, making the Lakers are more dangerous team.

[Matthew]

When Kobe doesnt score, he's sabotaging the game, when he does everything out there, he's hurting the development of the team? Please. Kobe is doing everything this season, except shooting the ball well. He is putting alot of pressure on the defense which allows his teamates to shoot jumpers. if they arent doing enough, then its not kobes fault. blame the rest of the guys for not doing enough. simple.

[GloveGuy]

When Kobe doesnt score, he's sabotaging the game, when he does everything out there, he's hurting the development of the team? Please. Kobe is doing everything this season, except shooting the ball well. He is putting alot of pressure on the defense which allows his teamates to shoot jumpers. if they arent doing enough, then its not kobes fault. blame the rest of the guys for not doing enough. simple.

Everything is not necessary. That's the point I'm making. The offense should not revolve around everything he does. I'd feel as if the Lakers would be much better if everyone on the team had a role and a "job" instead of watching Kobe. He's not making his teammates better out there, and that's what I've thought for the past two years has kept Kobe from attaining ultimate greatness.

Dre, your emoticons are wastes of posts...

[Jackal]

Well, I understand both you guys' opinions, but that's what they want him to do Glove. That's what Kobe WANTS to do. He wants to do everything, he doesn't want everyone to have a job, he wants it to revolve around him. He wants the team to be built around him, Buss & Kupchak did what he wanted.

By trading away Shaq, they made LA Bryant's team, the focus is Bryant, he will handle it all.

Sure, I don't like it, but that's what was planned. Too bad for the team though.

[Ruff Ryder]

When Kobe doesnt score, he's sabotaging the game, when he does everything out there, he's hurting the development of the team? Please. Kobe is doing everything this season, except shooting the ball well. He is putting alot of pressure on the defense which allows his teamates to shoot jumpers. if they arent doing enough, then its not kobes fault. blame the rest of the guys for not doing enough. simple.

Everything is not necessary. That's the point I'm making. The offense should not revolve around everything he does. I'd feel as if the Lakers would be much better if everyone on the team had a role and a "job" instead of watching Kobe. He's not making his teammates better out there, and that's what I've thought for the past two years has kept Kobe from attaining ultimate greatness.

Well the thing is that the Lakers and Kobe aren't playing for future development of the team. They are trying to get into the playoffs this year, and the way to do it is by running the offense through Kobe Bryant.

Kobe getting all of these and more triple doubles would be the result of the opposing defense focusing on him. He passes the ball to the open guys and ends up with 10+ assists. Some of the other guys on the Lakers need to step up more though if LA wants a legitimate chance of being sucesseful without a real dominate big man. When you have one of the best players in the league, why not use him all the way to the fullest? At least his stats arent 35ppg 7 rpg and 2 apg, because then I would help criticize.

[John-John Joe]

When Kobe doesnt score, he's sabotaging the game, when he does everything out there, he's hurting the development of the team? Please. Kobe is doing everything this season, except shooting the ball well. He is putting alot of pressure on the defense which allows his teamates to shoot jumpers. if they arent doing enough, then its not kobes fault. blame the rest of the guys for not doing enough. simple.

Everything is not necessary. That's the point I'm making. The offense should not revolve around everything he does. I'd feel as if the Lakers would be much better if everyone on the team had a role and a "job" instead of watching Kobe. He's not making his teammates better out there, and that's what I've thought for the past two years has kept Kobe from attaining ultimate greatness.

Dre, your emoticons are wastes of posts...

It's just more of the usual.....

This team is fine, and what continues to amaze me is how Osama get the blame for everything under the sun. This team will reach it's true potential NOT when "Kobe's stops hogging the ball" but when we play anything that remotely resembles defense.

I've never even gave a thought to contending this year at all so I guess I'm not disappointed because of that.

It's tough to lose one of the 50 greatest as well as the best center in the league and expect there not to be a drop off.

It's tough to have a young team that like all young teams are dumb. Hehehe, I'm not dissing us but young teams are dumb just like the old Lake Show days.

It's tough when you're in the West with teams like the Spurs, Kings and Mavs who have a basic core group who's been together for some time and went to war together.

It's tough when the roster isn't solidified yet because of the rebuilding stage we're in.

It's tough when a coach has trouble with the rotation because our roster is chock full of small forwards with similar skill sets.

It's tough when you're best scorer, finisher and go to guy is also the best facilitator.

It's tough when you don't have a true low post presence, Lamar's been great for us but we know full well we could use a real banger underneath the boards.

And you know what? Our record is still pretty darn good so far and there is alot of comraderie on this team despite all of the off court distractions. Not to metion that if the playoffs started to day we'd be a 7 seed.

Thus far? I can honestly say I'm enjoying this season, the fast break basketball and witnessing the maturation of our Baby Lakers. It's a process gentlemen, and sometimes that process feels like a tooth getting pulled. We'll have our ups and we'll have our downs like the Dow Jones Average, respect and understand that process and you'll truly enjoy the Lakers this season.

[Andre]

Well said, I totally agree with each single point.

I really like the Lakers so far, they are young, talented, athletic, with a good coach, and they play a fun basketball.

Of course it's a complete new team, not only in terms of players, but also in terms of strategy. This means that even "old lakers" like Kobe, D.George, Medvedenko and Walton (only 4 players from last year) need to get used to different style of play, when they have been playing the triangle for 5 years.

I'm actually suprised they have a winning record right in the first month. And don't forget they are a team without a post presence in a conference with the best PFs in the league. I think it's a miracle.

This thread, like many others, is full of bullshit about Kobe...(I can't believe people complained even about the high number of Kobe's assists...damn..you must be blind..).

Kobe is playing very good, he just needs to shot a little better. The whole team needs to find consistency, but that's no surprise for a new group of people.

The truth is that the Lakers are surprising many people. Just admit it.

[John-John Joe]

Well said, I totally agree with each single point.

I really like the Lakers so far, they are young, talented, athletic, with a good coach, and they play a fun basketball.

Of course it's a complete new team, not only in terms of players, but also in terms of strategy. This means that even "old lakers" like Kobe, D.George, Medvedenko and Walton (only 4 players from last year) need to get used to different style of play, when they have been playing the triangle for 5 years.

I'm actually suprised they have a winning record right in the first month. And don't forget they are a team without a post presence in a conference with the best PFs in the league. I think it's a miracle.

This thread, like many others, is full of bullshit about Kobe...(I can't believe people complained even about the high number of Kobe's assists...damn..you must be blind..).

Kobe is playing very good, he just needs to shot a little better. The whole team needs to find consistency, but that's no surprise for a new group of people.

The truth is that the Lakers are surprising many people. Just admit it.

Well said Dre, but the fact is that a lot of people have personal agendas at hand when weighing in on the Lakers and continue to ignore the facts. Sure, we understand that we'd be doing MUCH better if Shaquille was still on this team. Yes any Laker and Kobe fan with a semblance of common sense OVERstands that fact.

But why continue to harp on what is already done? Seems to me that the indictment is coming because of that trade more than anything else. I mean, how are those Rockets doing? Weren't they suppsoed to be the next Shaq and Kobe? Take over the West? How 'bout them Grizzlies? How bout those supposedly AWESOME Nuggets? I'm not dissing them because frankly I respect all of those ballclubs, but the point does have to be made.

And how about all those guys who used to say this from 1999 to 2003:

"Dude, I'm so sick and tired of you fucking Kobe fans telling us how good he is, he's overrated man!"

Dre: Why do you say that Anti-Kobe? Look at his numbers, they're pretty darn good.

"Well if you fucking knew anything about basketball DRE, you'd know that he gets to go one-on-one because of Shaq man. Let him have his own team like Iverson, Tracy and [insert name here] watch! No way will he be that good!!!"

*******FAST FORWARD TO 2004********

"The only reason he's leading the league in scoring, is #5 in assists per game and ranks #6 in efficiency ranking is because he's a ball hog man!"

Dre: B-b-b-but I thought you said the only reason Osama gets numbers is because of Sha.........err......uhh.....never mind.....

[Andre]

Dre: B-b-b-but I thought you said the only reason Osama gets numbers is because of Sha.........err......uhh.....never mind.....

LOL