Chicago Bulls Thread

[Dan's Brain]

Yeah, draft day 2004 was a very good day.


All in all, while its a tricky situation to navigate, it's also quite an enviable one.

[Andrew]

That's true, there's been far less desirable situations with the roster since the last championship team was broken up.

[Martti.]

Pax, please don't do the Bryant trade..

Incoming : Kobe Bryant, maybe Radmanovic as a filler.
Outgoing : Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Sefolosha or Noah, Some picks.

They're line-up will probably be :

C - Wallace/Maybe Noah
F - Smith/Gray
F - Nocioni/Radmanovic
G - Bryrant/Maybe Sefolosha.
G - Hinrich/(Duhon <- Might be added to deal.)

And the Lakers :

C - Brown/Bynum
F - Odom/Thomas
F - Deng/Walton
G - Gordon/Evans
G - Fisher/Crittenton.

Deng and Gordon, i think they'll average over 40 points combined..
And one or both of them will be an All-Star.

Thomas will have a break-out season..

I sure hope Bryant wont suit up for the Bulls on opening night..

Noah has been talked a lot on ESPN ratings..

I think he was 5th.. Ahead of Brewer and Horford..

Scola and Navarro were 2 and 3.

[Andrew]

As I said in another thread, I'm not keen on a Kobe trade either. It's an unusually high risk considering they'd be getting one of the best players in the league in return, I'd rather they stay the current course for the time being.

Just saw these over at RealGM:

Gordon doesn't want to be traded
Bulls Not Believed To Be Offering Deng Or Gordon Deals In Max Range

[Dan's Brain]

If Pax made that deal then I'd be about done with the Bulls. Kobe's gonna get you 30-35 points a night. Deng and Gordon alone this season will get the 40+ points combined, like you said.

Tyrus could average double figures this year or Noah could. Both dependent on the minutes.

You give up 60 points a game and get 30 back.

If a deal was to be made, then the Lakers would only get one of Deng or Gordon.

[Fenix]

Let's not even think about the Kobe deal. It won't happen. We're not that kind of team.

Did Tyrus got bigger or am I the only one noticing that? He's going to be a monster this season. I expect an improved jumpshot, less fouling and around 12ppg, 7rpg, 2bpg every night.

[Andrew]

Those numbers would be a good next step for Thomas as I doubt he'll beat out Smith and Noah for 35+ minutes per game. I'd be happy to see that level of production from him over the course of the season if he sees around 24-28 minutes per game.

[Dan's Brain]

If Deng starts playing more 2-guard, then we'll likely see some bigger Bulls lineups with Wallace, Noah and Tyrus playing as the frontcourt, which maybe relies too much on Thomas' newly slightly improved jumpshot.

There's no reason why he shouldnt be pushing half an hour a game. Noah will probably also backup Wallace a bit and so should Smith, which opens up more minutes.

[Andrew]

There's no reason why he shouldnt be pushing half an hour a game.

Well, there is Skiles' approach to rotations which follows its own logic at times.

[[Q]]

I really really really really wished that Philly kept Thabo because he's a great player getting no burn in Chi town

[Andrew]

When Wallace missed a few games last season and the Bulls went small with PJ Brown at centre and Deng and Thabo at forward and Gordon and Hinrich in the backcourt, Thabo saw some good minutes and looked quite impressive. I wouldn't mind seeing Skiles go to a similar lineup at times this season when the situation allows it.

[grusom]

Di anyone else notice how George Muresan made Kirk Hindrich his bitch in the game against Indiana?

It's good to see Muresan playing again, even though he looks a lot smaller, younger and blacker than last time he suited up.

[Matt]

didn't know you guys were THAT opposed to getting Kobe.

Most Pistons fans fee that RIP+Tay+Maxiell/Mohammed+1st rnd+2nd rnd for Kobe + Vlad/Mihm is fair value. I know it's a lot but i'd do it in a heart beat.....Kobe is exactly the player we need!

[grusom]

didn't know you guys were THAT opposed to getting Kobe.

Most Pistons fans fee that RIP+Tay+Maxiell/Mohammed+1st rnd+2nd rnd for Kobe + Vlad/Mihm is fair value. I know it's a lot but i'd do it in a heart beat.....Kobe is exactly the player we need!

That's a lot of players to give up - since the Lakers would go into total re-building mode after trading Kobe, maybe they would take the same package, just with Amir Johnson instead of Rip.

[Indy]

Di anyone else notice how George Muresan made Kirk Hindrich his bitch in the game against Indiana?

It's good to see Muresan playing again, even though he looks a lot smaller, younger and blacker than last time he suited up.

I heard some people joking about that, but I was at the game, so I don't really get it.

Was it just one of Espn.com or NBA.com many failures of this preseason?

[grusom]

Di anyone else notice how George Muresan made Kirk Hindrich his bitch in the game against Indiana?

It's good to see Muresan playing again, even though he looks a lot smaller, younger and blacker than last time he suited up.

I heard some people joking about that, but I was at the game, so I don't really get it.

Was it just one of Espn.com or NBA.com many failures of this preseason?

NBA.com chose a David Harrison block for "block of the night", but for some reason (that i would really like to know) they wrote in the video link that it was George Muresan.

[Indy]

I see. Speaking of the HULK, did anyone see Ben Wallace's nasty flagarant on him? David got up and seriously wanted to beat the shit out of Ben, and would have thrown a punch if he wasn't backed off.

Let me tell you something, David Harrison vs. Ben Wallace would be a fight for the ages. That would change the way people look at NBA fights. I'm not sure there would be any survivors.

[puttincomputers]

the bulls should trade wallace. who for? i have no idea. i just do not like the guy. maybe for tyson chandler an maybe someone else? just a thought

[Indy]

the bulls should trade wallace. who for? i have no idea. i just do not like the guy. maybe for tyson chandler an maybe someone else? just a thought

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wow.

[Dan's Brain]

Is he joking?


Anyway, Andre Barrett's out, waived by the Bulls last night/this morning/whatever it was wherever the hell you are.

Interesting because I'd sort of gathered that he'd be playing some minutes this year, or at least have provided a bit of point guard insurance.

We are down to a 15-man roster, which could mean that Thomas Gardner makes the cut. Dont know too much about him other than what i've seen in his pre-season box scores. Anyone seen much of him?

[Matt]

That's a lot of players to give up - since the Lakers would go into total re-building mode after trading Kobe, maybe they would take the same package, just with Amir Johnson instead of Rip.

well they'd need RIP or Chauncey just to make salaries work.....but i don't know how keen people are on dealing Johnson just yet.

[Andrew]

didn't know you guys were THAT opposed to getting Kobe.

Most Pistons fans fee that RIP+Tay+Maxiell/Mohammed+1st rnd+2nd rnd for Kobe + Vlad/Mihm is fair value. I know it's a lot but i'd do it in a heart beat.....Kobe is exactly the player we need!

I can't speak for all Bulls fans but in my view trading for Kobe is just too much of a risk for a team that's on the rise and already has a roster that's shaping up nicely and a good shot at contending for the East already. For now I'd like to see them work with what they've got before they start rolling the dice. I just see trading for Kobe as being riskier than trading for a player of his calibre should be.

the bulls should trade wallace. who for? i have no idea. i just do not like the guy. maybe for tyson chandler an maybe someone else? just a thought

Putting aside the fact trading Wallace is much easier said than done, they don't need to get Chandler back. He did have a good year for the Hornets but as I've said before, I doubt he'd have had the same kind of season for the Bulls. Unfortunately, he just needed a change of scene.

[puttincomputers]

your right andrew. i remember listening to the bulls on am 1000 and hearing how bad he was. wallace for frye and przybilla?

[Dan's Brain]

WHAT?!

Are you a Bulls fan or are you just trying to screw the team with its pants on?

You're hell-bent on trading Ben Wallace just because you dont like him? Is that about the size of it?

[air gordon]

I see. Speaking of the HULK, did anyone see Ben Wallace's nasty flagarant on him? David got up and seriously wanted to beat the shit out of Ben, and would have thrown a punch if he wasn't backed off.

Let me tell you something, David Harrison vs. Ben Wallace would be a fight for the ages. That would change the way people look at NBA fights. I'm not sure there would be any survivors.

was it even nasty? I saw it live: it seemed bad since you don't see a big dude like Harrison hit the ground like that

but on the replays- Big headband got ball and 'hulk's hand. but ah well- could have been a fight of epic proportions indeed

my goodness: during the last game- Dore, King, and Red were talking about how Gray was the steal of the draft