NLSC Basketball '14

[JaoSming]

GRRRRRSAHHSHAdhhasda

no he has been. Faverani though

[NovU]

LoL, I been including Faverani as a bait in my trade offers. Thank goodness, at this pace he's a 3 or 4th rounder.

[airBerlin]

injuries make me sad.

al jefferson, goran dragic, brandon knight.

zz...

[Leftos]

Keep asking me to trade Curry. That'll happen. Sure.

[buzzy]

I'll throw in Greives Vasquez and our washing machine. We really need that washing machine but Steph might be worth it.

[formx]

NovU pls.

[shadowgrin]

Bitch has been offering Burks like he's good, if he's good the Jazz won't play him consistently because they're in the tank wagon. Just look at Faverani.

[NovU]

He's not that good but that's where money's at. The Jazz can still lose with him scoring 15 ppg, right now is sitting at 18 ppg. Take your chance boys. Offer's fresh and still on the table.

[[Q]]

Just wanted to bring up discussion for possibly changing the scoring categories for next year. I was thinking about changing FGM to 3PT%. Also, what do you think about changing W/L totals so that if you win the week, you get 1 win as opposed to the 6-11 wins?

[buzzy]

FGM does seem a little redundant. Not opposed to the idea.

[JaoSming]

W/L to 1 win is the way to do

[[Q]]

forgot to incorporate the W/L thing into the poll so poll is reset. please revote if you voted before this post

[NovU]

I don't mind it either way. It's probably a case of mass vs efficiency. That'd be 3 efficiency categories just in percentages btw.

BTW, anyone interested in a trade? I am looking for a REB or BLK player, Be free to make an offer for any of my players. I have plenty of great players for PTS plus some.

[[Q]]

My reasoning for 3Pt% is that 3PM is a category that makes SGs that shoot 3s more important. Otherwise, it can be very easy to ignore this category. In the past in other leagues, I have actually "punted" this category and intentionally didnt pick players that make 3s. Volume scorers get rewarded in the current system because they just jack em up and there is no disadvantage to missing 3s other than a lower FG% and I feel that the whole point of fantasy is efficiency and not mass.

The 1 W/L system will help keep teams a bit closer and more competitive, however it does disadvantage teams that consistently win big each week. For example, NovU is currently 19-3 after 2 weeks, instead he would still be #1 bu at 2-0

[JaoSming]

and I'm #1 in points for and points against in football but F me, that doesn't help

[NovU]

My team isn't number 1 anymore because shadowgrin killed me with his efficiency and REB/OREB. LoL. My team was number 1 only because I beat down on couple injury depleted teams.

I voted for 3PT% as well, I like it better than FGM. I'm not entirely sure about W/L though. Perhaps it could replace OREB though as it is kinda redundant as we already have REB. If you noticed BIGs are scarce and more important mostly because they excel in more categories(except FT% ofc), OREB only adds to the un-balance. Bigs usually shoot better FG%, reb, blk, less TO, more dominating factors than backcourt players.

As for W/L, I'm not too sure on this. It add more value to players like KD or LBJ as they win bunch more than Anthony Davis.

[[Q]]

True, It does change the balance a bit, but I feel like OREB and REB are slightly different because the real rebounders get OREBs while anybody can get defensive rebounds a lot of the time, the tallest guy on the team gets defaulted for a wide open def rebound so those are pretty easy to get. Not sure how I feel about that but I'm not completely opposed to eliminating OREB

[air gordon]

Volume scorers are already favored in this league since FGM is category. fg% and TO is enough to "keep in check" volume scorers

Who cares about "real rebounding"? why being so technical? just use rebounds and get rid of offensive rebounding.

if you really think fantasy sports is about efficiency, take out all the categories and replace them with %'s and rates.

I am against w/l

Q- it sounds like you want to have a points based league

[NovU]

It might sound odd but I'm with air_gordon entirely, especially on OREB and W/L.

fg% and TO is enough to "keep in check" volume scorers

For sure, there's no problem with volume scorers in our league whatsoever. That's why team full of high ranked players(with scoring ability) like mine can still lose to shadowgrin's "can't buy the bucket" team. FGM helped me but not a huge deal breaker. I don't see it as as big of a problem as OREB. But I still don't mind 3PT% replacing either of them. In fact, I placed my vote on 3PT% already.

It'd be nice to have a data how many percentage of teams that won REB also won OREB. Or POINT SCORED with FGM for that matter.

[[Q]]

Q- it sounds like you want to have a points based league

is that the default for ESPN leagues where they basically total up how many pts, rebs, asts, stls, & blks a player has and turn it into one number? i hate that format.

I'm just throwing it out there. No one's ever really made a big deal out of the format so i never felt the need to change it, but I wanted to bring up a discussion and see if there was a way we could improve it.

[shadowgrin]

and I'm #1 in points for and points against in football but F me, that doesn't help

lol Jao.
You know that points against is supposed to be measured opposite, the less you have the better.
You are not #1 in points against, you're dead last. Oz leads in points against.
You don't even lead in points difference, it's Qballer wtih +127.9, you're last among teams with a winning record with a +28.54 points difference.
You.



Agree with adding 3PT% (by removing OREB).
Hypothetically say a player goes 10/10 in 2P FGs and 5/20 in 3P FGs. That would give him 0.500 FG%. That's enough to maybe win cats of FGM, FG%, and 3PTM and yet it doesn't punish him for chucking that amount of 3s he missed.


Agree with OREB being removed since it gives excess advantage to OReb players.
Oreb may be important in real life stat analysis but not in fantasy basketball where production or 'volume' in independent categories are still the primary goal in order to win a match up.
Hypothetically (for fantasy ball) why should player x who gets 3 oreb but only 1 dreb (4 rebs) be as valuable as player y who gets 13 reb but only 1 oreb (14 rebs) just because of the OREB cat?


Disagree with the 1 W/L/D system. Highly disagree.
Don't punish people who give the effort or had luck in drafting/building a lineup that can mop other teams with a 10-1 win. If you want a competitive league then the losers should give some effort in building a decent lineup throughout the season that can compete and not be mopped 1-10 each week.

Making the league more 'competitive' with a 1 W/L/D system is still not a guarantee that people will be active throughout the season. Just look at the NLSC Football league.


My preference is keeping the current categories with the exception of OReb which should be removed and replaced with 3PT%.

Q- it sounds like you want to have a points based league

is that the default for ESPN leagues where they basically total up how many pts, rebs, asts, stls, & blks a player has and turn it into one number? i hate that format.

That was the format when benji made his own Yahoo league where he choked and I whooped his ass to win it all. IIRC a points based system has no playoff, whoever has the highest points after the season is the winner.

[air gordon]

I'm just throwing it out there. No one's ever really made a big deal out of the format so i never felt the need to change it, but I wanted to bring up a discussion and see if there was a way we could improve it.

Its not default. You can assign point values for each category. Its still head to head. Winner of the given weekly matchup just gets one win

[buzzy]

Agree with adding 3PT% (by removing OREB).
Hypothetically say a player goes 10/10 in 2P FGs and 5/20 in 3P FGs. That would give him 0.500 FG%. That's enough to maybe win cats of FGM, FG%, and 3PTM and yet it doesn't punish him for chucking that amount of 3s he missed.

You're still being punished by his FG percentage going from 100 to 50.
I'm not against adding it, but it's not because of that reasoning.


Undecided on the ORebs.

[NovU]

Reasoning is simple, really. It's just more fair and unique. It's entirely a different category in... a general sense.

3PT% is a battle between a few, capable long range bombers. FG% still can remain high with low post bigs and efficient scorers but 3PT% is completely a different story, thus MUCH LESS REDUNDANT THAN either FGM and especially OREB. It just has much much less dependancy to other categories while FGM and OREB does heavily to points scored and REB. So... look at it this way. Same players you rely on REB will get you those OREB. Same players you rely on POINT SCORED will get you that FGM. But 3PT% is entirely different in that regard because DeRozan won't get you that.

[shadowgrin]

You're still being punished by his FG percentage going from 100 to 50.
I'm not against adding it, but it's not because of that reasoning.

NovU's right, ideally the categories should be independent of each other and to even give specialist bench players value.

.500 FG% is above average afaik that's why despite being punished down from 100 to 50 that player can still win the FGM, FG%, and 3PM categories as compared to .200 3P% (which is terrible) just shows the risk/reward as unbalanced.


One can make the same thing about oreb being a specialist category but a three-pointer has more value and certainty that's tied directly to scoring unlike an oreb where the possession in an oreb can have the possibility of it being a shot made, free throw attempt, assist, or even a turnover. The same possibilities about oreb can be said about the REB cat which adds more to the redundancy argument.