Chicago Bulls Thread

[Matt]

Dwight Howard Bulls D disappeared tonight.

[[Q]]

I love Thabo's game, but the bulls lost me a lot of money tonight...

[Jugs]

that's just the kind of solid forward the Blazers need,

We have Ime Udoka now .

The Bulls vs Miami first quarter was disgustingly bad.

[Dean]

You mean like the Blazers 05-06 season?

[Jugs]

No comment. The play was sloppy though. Two travels? Fatoine spinning and throwing the ball away? 3 from 18 or whatever the FG thing was.

Good comparison.

[air gordon]

With the Bulls, where are they going with Ben Gordon? I've read that he's not the all-around type of player who could lead your team as a star but he's an exceptionally talented scorer and should be the Bulls' number 1 option on attack...

Are the Bulls gonna keep him coming from off the bench? Or will he get to start?

he's the starting SG and i don't see him losing his spot anytime soon. With a starting lineup that includes PJ Brown and Ben Wallace, the team really needs his offensive firepower.

believe it or not, he's been working on all facets of his game. his work ethic is almost maniac-like so i believe he'll succeed in the league


as for the games- talk about a high then buzzkill. i don't have too much add since pretty what i had to say has been mentioned already.

i will say that the Bulls definitely could have used Tyrus Thomas and his defense against Orlando. he would have been effective from the helpside since Howard was doing a lot of drop step, spin moves.

btw- Posey's elbow on Thomas is worthy of suspension/fine. after seeing the replay and considering Posey's history with the Bulls/dirty plays, i hope Paxson notifies the league office about it

looking at Orlando's lineup- they are pretty tough and teams like them will give the Bulls problems. they are opposite of Miami- young, big, athletic at all their posiions

the bulls have a tough sched- because the Barnum and Baily Circus is in town for November, they only have 3 games at home as opposed to 10 away games, including a visit to the dreaded texas triangle- dallas, houston , SAS

Q- i'd put my $ on them in their home opener on friday.

[Andrew]

Tough loss for the home opener. Great game by Deng though.

For my fellow Aussie Bulls fans with Foxtel who aren't already aware, they'll be showing the Bulls/Cavs game next Friday on Fox Sports 1.

[Dean]

Ahh 1 point loss, that hurts..
Deng really blew up!

Thanks for reminding me Andrew, i cant wait to see that game..

[Matt]

Duhon literally threw the game away....twice.

[Zoom]

he's the starting SG and i don't see him losing his spot anytime soon. With a starting lineup that includes PJ Brown and Ben Wallace, the team really needs his offensive firepower.

believe it or not, he's been working on all facets of his game. his work ethic is almost maniac-like so i believe he'll succeed in the league

Cheers, I'm glad he's starting for the Bulls. He's their best scorer and with PJ and Ben, you're right that they need him in there.

Just wanted to add that Kirk Hinrich is doing well for the Bulls.

[maes]

Didn't catch the game...i see from the box that the bulls gave away 30 free points again.

It seems like we're going back to the Hack A Shaq defense...except on everybody.

[Fenix]

I'm slightly dissapointed, but I can't say I didn't see this coming. PJ Brown is old, really old and he's our only legit big big man. You can have as much athleticism as you want, but you still need
a.) a guy who can score in the post
b.) a guy who can defend opponent's best big man
In ideal world this would be the same guy - KG, Rasheed (...) - but we could solve this problem(s) with two seperate players. I trust Pax that he'll find the solution and take this team to another level.

Another thing we lack is a penetrator. In a League where rules favour the quick, penetrating guards, we can't build our entire offense on jumpshots. Considering we don't have a legit offensive minded big man, we need to penetrate to the basket, so the defense collapses and our spot shooters can do their job. I always thought Gordon will be that man, but he's simply can't do it. This is his 3rd season. 'Natural penetrators' can get to the basket from the beginning and if someone can't do it after two whole seasons spent in the NBA, there's a 99% chance that he will never able to do it consistently.

[Dean]

Isnt a guy who can defend the opponents best big man exactly what Ben Wallace is?
Or did you mean that we need a PF to replace PJ that can score in the post and has KG/Sheed'esque defence?

Sorry if i missed that haha.

In regard to the penetrator, Im liking the look of Thabo to fill that to some extent, and Kirk has always been a good penetrator.. But yeah, we need someone like Maggette that can get to the basket and the free throw line whenever he wants.

[CMJ3]

Is it just me or is Gordon playing terrible???? He plays much better in the 6th man role. 5 Points in 21 minutes is pretty bad from a scoring machine like him.

[Zoom]

Isnt a guy who can defend the opponents best big man exactly what Ben Wallace is?
Or did you mean that we need a PF to replace PJ that can score in the post and has KG/Sheed'esque defence?

Sorry if i missed that haha.

He said that he thinks a team needs two guys... someone who is a low post option on offence and soemone who can hold their own on defence and it would be conveint to have both qualities in one player. But he says that this can be solved by having two players... so one dude for each job and so I'm am thinking that because he calls PJ getting old, he wants Pax to trade him for a dependable low post scorer.

[Fenix]

Isnt a guy who can defend the opponents best big man exactly what Ben Wallace is?
Or did you mean that we need a PF to replace PJ that can score in the post and has KG/Sheed'esque defence?

There's a misconception that Ben is a great man defender. He isn't. He's a 6'8 centre who can play (who could play) great, DOotY-like help defense, but he isn't the right one to defend the opponent's best post player. In Detroit, it was always 6'11 Rasheed doing that job. You could just put 'Sheed on Jermaine O'Neal and let Wallace move freely in the paint, blocking shots and chasing rebounds. He can't do that here anymore, simply because PJ Brown is good enough to take that role of a primary post defender and the rest of our guys who can play PF position are undersized and also better at playing help rather than man D.

And yes, we can do everything with two seperate guys. It's just that we already have an offensive liability in the post and adding another post defender with similar qualities (a la Jason Collins) wouldn't exactly help us at being less of a jumpshooting team.

[Andrew]

Is it just me or is Gordon playing terrible???? He plays much better in the 6th man role. 5 Points in 21 minutes is pretty bad from a scoring machine like him.

It's another slow start to the season for him. Mind you, one can't expect him to explode for 20+ when he has 7 shot attempts in 21 minutes. Last year he had better numbers as a starter than as a reserve though as I said before he did have a tough time at the beginning of the season.

[Andrew]

A more enjoyable against the Bucks to say the least. Great to see Gordon step up with Hinrich and Duhon playing sparingly due to foul trouble. His 37 points were two more than his total through the first three games of the season; hopefully this is the game that gets him on track for the season. I'm already considering ordering this one from PonTel.

[Dean]

Cant wait for Bulls/Cavs on Friday

[CMJ3]

Wallace had a good defensive game, 3 steals 10 boards and 5 blocks i like i like.

[Dan's Brain]

Another solid game from everyones favourite swissman too. 9 points, 4 dimes, 2 steals, 2 boards. He's stepped up very well so far.

early days, but 1.5 spg in 17 mpg is pretty good.

[Indy]

Thabo looked great on Michael Redd yesterday. I know Michael dropped 30, but when Thabo was on him he struggled much more to get his shot. Thabo's arms are longer then I thought, he's really going to cause problems for a lot of perimiter players in this league.

The Bulls really are a very solid perimiter defensive team, which is why I think they should run even more then they have been. They shoot the ball well from the outside, and they defend the outside well, but they don't score down low and they don't defend the low post. They need to get in to more run and gun games with the better teams.

[air gordon]

Gordon just didn't get into a rhythm in the games he was off plus Kevin Martin was torching the Bulls so that's why he wasn't playing that much against the Kings

a little strange that Hinrich & Duhon being in foul trouble was the catalyst for Gordon going bonkers. in all seriousness, i'm not sure if it's coincidence that he had his best all around game offensively playing PG.

Normally Gordon seems shaky playing PG. but last nite when he knew he had the mentality of score first, then pass 2nd, his game was on

which leads me to the point- can Gordon become what the Bulls need- a 20ppg as long as he's playing SG? with the Bulls "draw and kick" type offense i don't think he consistently is going to get the attempts. but last nite- when we saw him 'dominate' the ball, he got his points and even the assists came along.

maybe this is just overanalyzing. i'm sure if the Bulls beat a team again by 40 and Gordon only scores 4pts, it won't be an issue

[air gordon]

Gordon just didn't get into a rhythm in the games he was off plus Kevin Martin was torching the Bulls so that's why he wasn't playing that much against the Kings

a little strange that Hinrich & Duhon being in foul trouble was the catalyst for Gordon going bonkers. in all seriousness, i'm not sure if it's coincidence that he had his best all around game offensively playing PG.

Normally Gordon seems shaky playing PG. but last nite when he knew he had the mentality of score first, then pass 2nd, his game was on

which leads me to the point- can Gordon become what the Bulls need- a 20ppg as long as he's playing SG? with the Bulls "draw and kick" type offense i don't think he consistently is going to get the attempts. but last nite- when we saw him 'dominate' the ball, he got his points and even the assists came along.

maybe this is just overanalyzing. i'm sure if the Bulls beat a team again by 40 and Gordon only scores 4pts, it won't be an issue

[CMJ3]

Gordon did play well but he is an up and down type player by the looks of it, one night he goes off for 50 the next night he goes off for 6 pts etc. If he can remain consistent and make smart shot selection, i think he will be able to provide the 20ppg but he needs to be the main focus in the offense and take on the "star" type roll.