The Knicks Thread....

Knick Players Mutiny Against Larry:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... 7781c.html

I'm known for taking the players side in controversy, but these guys who put a knicks jersey on each night are pathetic. yeah lets all blame the coach instead of putting blame on themselevs for playing like spastics (thats for you tiger ).

I'm known for taking the players side in controversy, but these guys who put a knicks jersey on each night are pathetic. yeah lets all blame the coach instead of putting blame on themselevs for playing like spastics (thats for you tiger ).

The roster is flawed, but the belief was that if anyone could take disparate parts and turn them into a winner it would be Brown, the Hall of Fame coach with a history of doing just that. Brown, 65, was considered the one sure thing in the entire organization. But rather than improve, the Knicks finished 10 games worse than they did last season.

Well I guess $60,000,000 later they've figured out no one can turn a team of losers into winners. If Isiah fires Brown because of this he is seriously braindead, does he really think the roster they have now is mentally equipped to win ANYTHING? Their starting point guard walks around calling himself "Starbury" for Christ sakes like he has multiple personality syndrome.

Larry Brown cant be fired, the fans will declare a mutiny on this franchise if they do.

Speaking of brown, i think he did as good a job as he could considering how unmoveable some of these contracts are. Benching "stars" is the only power a coach has in a time of guaranteed contracts, and although the knicks stunk, i dont blame larry for it (and i dont blame marbury either). its the rest of the players.

im really sick of Nydailynews's green card ad with that asian girl.

If Isiah fires Brown because of this he is seriously braindead, does he really think the roster they have now is mentally equipped to win ANYTHING?.

The answer to that is yes, Jae. Knick sources say the front office is more upset with Brown than the players. They actually thought the Knicks would make the playoffs with this no-rebounding, no defense playing roster. The fact that Isiah hasn't been fired shows you stupid ownership is. Don't get your hopes up for the next several years.

im really sick of Nydailynews's green card ad with that asian girl.

SHE'S ANN MABYN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't blame Larry, blame it all on Isiah... He is one of the weirdest GMs.

I knew that Brown would be in for a heck of a ride this season, but jesus christ... Almost every player on that roster makes me want to puke in disgust. Now that they're playing like a bunch highschoolers they decide its the coaches problem? Big whoop.

Yeah I just looked back at some preseason predictions. Some people had the Knicks as reaching the 7th or 8th playoff spot. They've got talent, just no communication and too much of an obsession w/ making money.

Yeah I just looked back at some preseason predictions. Some people had the Knicks as reaching the 7th or 8th playoff spot. They've got talent, just no communication and too much of an obsession w/ making money.

Knicks have players with athletic skills, they have ZERO basketball IQ. Where are the role players? Where's the committment to defense, rebounding & sharing the ball on offense? That's Larry Brown basketball. It's a bad mix of players thanks to Isiah. GMs around the league laugh at NY. What's reall sad is Dolan supports Isiah more than Brown.

will the knicks make a run at Tim Thomas this summer
They did it for Jerome James last year

will the knicks make a run at Tim Thomas this summer
They did it for Jerome James last year

I know they'll make a run at Kenyon Martin - bloated contract, bad knee and questionable attitude. Isiah's kind of player.

I'm still support of this team, and I cam to a conclusion, Most of us are young, and we'll be alive when Dolan dies. Maybe then we will get a reasonable owner. We will also be here when Mr. Thomas retires. optimistic, yessir.

I wouldn't support them. I used to be huge Atlanta Braves fan too till they stopped resigning all their players, every year getting luckier to make the playoffs. Why put in money and time to owners (or in this case players) who don't give a damn about winning? No way in hell I'd help to feed their salaries or those of incompetents like Isaiah and Dolan.

It's not about faith/commitment, it's about sensibility.

I might not like there decisions, and they may go the wrong way, but if they are winning and getting somewhere then no problem with me. Obviously that is not happening, but me complaining about how bad the team is isn't going to get them anywhere. I am a Knicks fan and I will root for my team through the good or the bad.

It's not about faith/commitment, it's about sensibility.

Ah, that's why you like Miami and Phoenix eh? Nah, nothing personal.
But seriously, you can't just call yourself a fan of a team and them leave when they suck and hop one someone else's bandwagon. What I also hate is people saying they're 'neutral' NBA fans..

I'm still support of this team, and I cam to a conclusion, Most of us are young, and we'll be alive when Dolan dies. Maybe then we will get a reasonable owner. We will also be here when Mr. Thomas retires. optimistic, yessir.

Yeah, but I won't.

I'm still support of this team, and I cam to a conclusion, Most of us are young, and we'll be alive when Dolan dies. Maybe then we will get a reasonable owner. We will also be here when Mr. Thomas retires. optimistic, yessir.

Yeah, but I won't.

hooray for being only 23

The Knicks, to be good:

1) Dolan has to get real and realize his team's in the toilet.

2) Isaiah must leave.

3) Brown must either start coaching DECENTLY again and stop flaming his players or just leave.

4) Develop the rookies more and get rid of players like Stephon and Steve Francis unless they willingly start accepting a "The Team Comes First" mindset.

The Knicks, to be good:

1) Dolan has to get real and realize his team's in the toilet.

2) Isaiah must leave.

3) Brown must either start coaching DECENTLY again and stop flaming his players or just leave.

4) Develop the rookies more and get rid of players like Stephon and Steve Francis unless they willingly start accepting a "The Team Comes First" mindset.

1: dolan doesn't give a crap that his team sucks.... all he cares is playoffs
2: agree with this
3: hard to not flame at the way those idiots up in new york are chucking up shots and not playing d
4: how the fuck do u get rid of both stephon and francis??

I'm still support of this team, and I cam to a conclusion, Most of us are young, and we'll be alive when Dolan dies. Maybe then we will get a reasonable owner. We will also be here when Mr. Thomas retires. optimistic, yessir.

Yeah, but I won't.

Maybe you can go Walt Disney and be chriogenically frozen until the Knicks finally decide to overhaul the roster?

The Knicks, to be good:

1) Dolan has to get real and realize his team's in the toilet.

2) Isaiah must leave.

3) Brown must either start coaching DECENTLY again and stop flaming his players or just leave.

4) Develop the rookies more and get rid of players like Stephon and Steve Francis unless they willingly start accepting a "The Team Comes First" mindset.

1: dolan doesn't give a crap that his team sucks.... all he cares is playoffs
2: agree with this
3: hard to not flame at the way those idiots up in new york are chucking up shots and not playing d
4: how the fuck do u get rid of both stephon and francis??

1Agreed about Dolan, he is shocking.

2.I'm not sold on Isiah leaving if dolan is gone. I'd like to see how Isiah goes without Dolan.

3. The players dont just run up court and shoot and not play defense. this is the biggest misconception in basketball. Thanks Charles Barkley.

4. The same way they want to get rid of larry brown. if they are prepared to simply eat Browns salary, why cant they do that to their players? I wouldnt do it with marburys though.

Because eating Marbury or Francis or Rose or even Malik Rose's contract would absolutely not help the team in terms of cap space and reducing their luxury tax.
They will be basically paying the players to play for another team, still paying the luxury tax and still rendering themselves unable to sign key players.

Eating Larry Brown's contract would neither help nor worsen them in terms of salary cap and luxury tax.

Knickerblocker
Dolan dismisses Stern over Garden mess

James Dolan could use some advice from David Stern on how to clean up the mess that is the Knicks.
David Stern can't force James Dolan to sell the Knicks or make him clean up his franchise. As depressing a thought as that is, those are simply not within the scope of the NBA commissioner's job.

But there's no law that says that Stern can't occasionally call Dolan with some helpful suggestions on how to get out of the mess that is the Knicks. And apparently that is exactly what Stern has been doing for the last five months, as much as he tries to downplay his concern about the sorry state of the franchise in his own backyard. Rest assured, Stern and other league officials are fed up with the way the Knicks are being run, not to mention how the media has a field day depicting Dolan and his minions as incompetents.

Not that Stern's advice is being heeded. When he recommended that Dolan look into hiring Suns outgoing CEO Jerry Colangelo to come in and take over the entire Garden operation - a la Bob Gutkowski and later Dave Checketts in the 90's - Dolan reportedly erupted by questioning how anyone could second-guess his ability to run the Knicks.

Dolan's response couldn't have been well-received by Stern, who has tried to exert his influence on the Garden's CEO in the past, with varying degrees of success. During the final months of the Scott Layden regime, when the Knicks were showing zero progress and Layden's stonewalling tactics with the media were the butt of jokes, Stern met with Dolan over lunch. At the meeting, he told Dolan that he needed to change the face of his franchise. Eventually, Dolan did, firing Layden and bringing in Isiah Thomas.

Now, in light of the Knicks and Larry Brown looking to part ways after only 10 months, Stern is back on the case.

But lately, Dolan has been dismissive of recommendations coming from the commissioner or anyone outside of the Garden. Not long after Dolan shot down the idea of turning the operation over to Colangelo - a Stern favorite who founded and built the Suns into an elite franchise - the Garden chief was approached about firing Thomas and replacing him with Kiki Vandeweghe, the former Nuggets GM and ex-Knick. Because of Denver's success during Vandeweghe's five-year tenure, during which he took over a lottery team and built it into a playoff team with a pretty decent future, he is widely regarded as one of the better young executives. But Dolan would have none of it.

Stern plans to keep up the pressure, even if he tries hard to make it appear that he's barely concerned about the doings at the Garden. When he meets the media and is grilled on Dolan's franchise, Stern issues a few standard remarks. He always states that the Knicks are merely one of 30 teams and that all leagues have teams that are run well and some that are run poorly. Further pressed, he'll state that it's not imperative for the league to have a successful franchise in New York.

When he stopped over at the Meadowlands for a Nets-Indiana first-round playoff game several weeks ago, he was bombarded with questions about the Knicks' disgraceful 23-win season and Brown's performance.

Ever the diplomat, Stern reminded everyone that when league took off in the '80s, "We had L.A. and Boston playing all the time in June. Then we had Chicago winning titles. And we had even greater success."

More questions followed, but he wouldn't cave.

"There are 28 teams that wish the New York teams nothing but ill," he said. "I put my Knick fandom behind me when I became commissioner. But if I were to guess, it takes a season or so (for Larry Brown) to let people know how he likes to play and my guess is that they'll be getting some more players that would like to play the same way. And my guess is that the Knicks will be substantially improved next year."

But his public stance and his view expressed behind closed doors are totally opposite, according to those who are familiar with his scathing candor.

"David knows it's really bad to have a premier franchise, playing in the media capital of the world and playing in one of the marquee venues in the world, Madison Square Garden, and it's the laughing-stock of his league," said one such source. "He's trying to get Dolan to make changes, but Dolan thinks Isiah is a genius. He's the only person in the world who thinks that."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/419556p-354282c.html

So, Knicks are pissing Stern off? Well done, Dolan, well done. His ego is obviously so big, that he cannot admit his inability to judge talent (Isiah) or run a team. It's funny how far your father's money can bring you.

The quotes and accounts in that article would seem to sum up Dolan well. In all fairness, I can kind of understand how he might be miffed that Stern would poke his nose into the Knicks' affairs as it might feel a bit like a Big Brother situation but considering Stern's advice and what Dolan is doing...it wouldn't hurt to listen. I don't always agree with the decisions the NBA makes but I don't think Stern is overstepping any bounds with his actions here.

Not that Stern's advice is being heeded. When he recommended that Dolan look into hiring Suns outgoing CEO Jerry Colangelo to come in and take over the entire Garden operation - a la Bob Gutkowski and later Dave Checketts in the 90's - Dolan reportedly erupted by questioning how anyone could second-guess his ability to run the Knicks.

Given the questionable decisions and the fact that loyal lifelong Knicks fans are finding it difficult to support the team, I'd say it's pretty easy to question his ability to run the Knicks, at least from a basketball standpoint. I'm sure the team still generates a ton of revenue and is for the most part successful financially.