Source: Nash to be MVP

[Matthew]

What facts have you come up with? You came up with some ridiculous conclusion which i challenged and you you said lets not argue, me have gun, me like frie rie.

[pencil]

Matthew should stop acting like the Godzilla

[Matthew]

lol acting like? I am baby.

[powerhoward85]

ridiculous conclusion??

Nash get mvp, most likely a fact according to the source.

Marion alone doesnt make suns better.

Someone posted that marketability should affects mvp, so i reply to that.

Ridiculous conclusion is when someone says sick of certain agreement but still try to start the agreement.

[pencil]

hahah you wish you had a shlong as big as his.

[Matthew]

ridiculous conclusion??

Nash get mvp, most likely a fact according to the source.

Marion alone doesnt make suns better.

Someone posted that marketability should affects mvp, so i reply to that.

Ridiculous conclusion is when someone says sick of certain agreement but still try to start the agreement.

Are you sure its not Weediculous?

Nash hasnt won it yet, its just a source. In 99 a source said Mourning was mvp.

Marion alone does make the suns better. how can you say he doesnt? look at his defense, rebounding and on most nights scoring and tell me he doesnt improve this ball club. marion was a bigger influence on diaw than nash was.

nobody posted that markertability effects the mvp vote. Matt said stern must be fuming that none of his marketable players won.

Pencil, go make a thread in the nba live 99 thread. its under the old nba live section

[J@3]

lol acting like? I am baby.

Excuse me?



Show some respect.

[peaches]

Matthew should stop acting like the Godzilla

LMAO, this guy is fucken funny.

[Matthew]

Peachy you idiot, pencil is a girl.

Jae, haha, did you win that thing at the easter show?

[J@3]

Peachy you idiot, pencil is a girl.

I think I need glasses lol, I read that as "penis is a girl"

And no, unfortunately I don't have Godzilla I've just grown attached to the pic, as most normal 20 year olds would

[pencil]

oh, Matthew.

[peaches]

LMAO, this bitch is funny.

[Matthew]

Wow, you just get funnier and funnier peachy.

[Jugs]

Wow, why do all MVP threads turn into a battle of the Asians?

Steve Nash is not a deserving MVP dood winner this year but he deserves it more than last year but DIRK NOWITZKI IS TEH REEL MP3!!

[pencil]

LMAO, this bitch is funny.

hahah why do i have to be a "bitch? "

[Yessie]

Wow, why do all MVP threads turn into a battle of the Asians?

Steve Nash is not a deserving MVP dood winner this year but he deserves it more than last year but DIRK NOWITZKI IS TEH REEL MP3!!

hey your right Dirk is an MP3 but nash still is the MVP

[JohnA20]

Nash is a good choice for MVP in my opinion.

[Fenix]

LMAO, this bitch is funny.

If Penis is actually a girl and you make her go away, we will all flame you very much.

[BIG GREEN]

Yes..and ban him.

[DB]

[Nick]

Jeez, Steve Nash a 2-time MVP? Now that just doesn't sound right.

So last year he completely turned the Suns around, and he deserved it. But last year didn't have Kobe completely explode. He shouldn't win it this year.

(Tsk, it's much harder to be a fan of someone who is overrated by the media. Awell. Congrats to him for a fantastic achievment. Assuming the rumour becomes true)

LMAO, this bitch is funny.

If Penis is actually a girl and you make her go away, we will all flame you very much.

Pencil should become a regulah.

[cyanide]

how come did the mavericks become contenders again once he left?

With the addition of Avery Johnson, I think there were a bunch of new players that were added since Nash left. Besides, Dallas was always a talented ballclub since Cuban took over.

Edit: pencil reminds me of dmsballman, in a good way, of course.

[fgrep15]

While I don't think Nash should've won it, Lebron or Dirk should've, I won't say he wasn't deserving. He was definately more deserving than last year when it was all about hype and being an underdog. What I hate that keeps popping up is arguments for him like

#1) Nash makes these guys good, all these scrubs and throw away players are now playing good with him

#2) 7 guys on Phoenix are having career years, of course it's not a coincidence, it's Nash.

#3) Boris Diaw is a product of Steve Nash

Now, I'm not here to say Nash doesn't improve the efficiency of his team's offense, that's normally the whole point of having a PG. Let's get somethings straight here though:

When talking about making teammates better, people really need to stop comparing how much a SG, SF or other position, passes, racks up assists or makes teammates better in comparison to a PG. There's a reason players have roles, a SG's role is not to get 10 APG, and if it was, then he might as well be the PG. So people need to stop talking about how Nash makes his teammates better and other guys don't by comparing them like this. Brevin Knight "makes teammates better" more than Kobe, Lebron etc do, but it's his role on the team, and they make teammates better in other ways.

No one can make a bad player good. If Milt Palacio played with Nash, he would not become a good scorer. Yes, Nash does make teammates better, he should, but he does not make bad players good players. There is no bad player on Phoenix that has become a good player. All the main guys on the Suns, Marion, Raja Bell, Barbosa, Kurt Thomas, Tim Thomas later, were all good and capable players before they played with Nash. Boris Diaw is the only main guy that wasn't.

The decent players House and Jones have remained decent.
The "bad players" have remained bad. Nikoloz Skitishvili, Pat Burke.


Career years are not caused by a player on a team when it's just related to shot attempts, team pace, the coaches system, and increased minutes. There's no player who if they get a large increase in minutes and/or shot attempts will not have a career year related to scoring. I'm just saying this because I hear it on TV so much, and I see a lot of people using this argument. Let's use the example of Eddie House. He many times comes in to relieve Nash. He has a career year PPG wise because he's #5 in the NBA in FGA/48 minutes. That's not because of Nash, that's because it's his role on the team. In Sacramento he shot 45.8% FG and 45.2% 3PT but averaged 4.7 PPG in 11 MPG. This year he's shooting 42.2% FG and 38.9% 3PT and averaging 9.8 PPG in 17.5 MPG. Now is he better this year because he's taking more shots?

Now, Boris Diaw. Diaw is assisted the same amount as Vince Carter (51% to 50%) is on the Nets, and an insignificant amount more than Paul Pierce (48%) on the Celtics. So Diaw is not some guy that relies on being passed to, he's actually one of the guys on the Suns who are allowed to do things off the dribble consitently. Others are Nash obviously, Barbosa, and Tim Thomas in the post. House looks like it, but he 80% of the time [maybe a little less] shoots off handoffs or just catch and jack.

PER minute Diaw's numbers last season were:
9.4 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 4.5 APG

Players do improve as they play more in the league, though that's a scary thought to phathom. Diaw improved as evident in Europe even before the season. In addition to that, moving to the frontcourt seemed to fit him better, and also having better finishers and shooters around him and playing a faster pace helped the assists to increase. In addition to that, driving against PF/C's when the court is spread out is a lot easier than driving against perimeter players on a team without shooters.

Diaw without Nash this season is averaging 12.7 PPG on 50% FG, and 12.3 APG. Marion is averaging 26 PPG on 51% FG. Yes, they lost the games, but when a team losses their best player and their backup player at his position, they don't normally beat a team like the Spurs. The Raptors were like 1-9 without Bosh. In addition, when a team losses their starting backcourt, they also don't normally win many games.

Nash is a great player, excellent playmaker, very efficient [leads the league] scorer, improves his teams efficiency, and is a good leader. Those are the things that made him an MVP candidate, and should make him win, not these other things that people really love to use as their argument when most of them as not really factors in anything.

[John WB]

In my mind, Nash had a great season. He was very effective and got the most out of his role players. But he also had perennial all-star Shawn Marion. That should have taken away votes.

In my mind, this award should have gone to LeBron James. His supporting cast includes an oft-injured Larry Hughes and an aging Eric Snow, and a declining Zydrunas Ilguaksas. No other all-stars on this team, but this 21 year old kid was able to bring this team to the playoffs. In my mind, he will win it next year, and around 2008-09, the Cavs will finally win the championship.

I agree with everything you said and felt LeBron should have won it. He put up Oscar Roberston-like numbers and lead his team to 50+ wins. I think it's crazy he didn't win it.

Nash and Dirk'd be my 2nd and third place finishers with Kobe, Wade, then Chauncey..

I don't understand this "look at nash in dallas" argument. The simple fact of the matter is that ANY star player of ANY team will put up better numbers if they are the clear cut star player on that team. That is because EVERY star player benefits from their teams system, because EVERY team runs an offense that benefits them. Nash wasn't that in dallas, but is in phoenix. its that simple.

That said, in hindsight, I would've voted either lebron or nowitzki the mvp if only because I don't believe nash deserve the consecutive years won honor. Only true greats deserve that, and up until now only true greats were given it. That said nash is still lacking a championship and finals mvp so, thankfully, he is not yet considered in the same light as duncan or shaq. I would not of voted kobe the mvp because of his team record.

The argument that stockton and kidd didn't win so nash shouldn't either is ridiculous. Like everyone else has said its purely relative. Kidd should not of won it over any of the past mvps. Stockton would've never won it over Jordan (not to mention hakeem). And sorry, no, kobe's season is not comparable to any of jordan's mvp years; not even close. You say its unfair to look at his team record... look at his teammates. I say look at his teammates, its unfair to look at his stats.

Yeah, I feel the same way.

And Stockton did have some great players too. MVP winner in Karl Malone and like it's been said, he was vs. MJ all those years too.

[GloveGuy]

Kobe Bryant is the league MVP.

There should be no doubt. C'mon, aside from Lamar Odom, he has Smush Parker, Brian Cook, and Kwame Brown. When those guys are your number 3-4-5 scorers, you know something's wrong.

There's no one doing more with less. Lebron and Nash have solid supporting casts, at least way more solid than Bryant's. Even though we just started hearing their names this year, I'd much rather take Boris Diaw(who was horribly mis-used with the Hawks), James Jones, and Barbosa over the Smush, Cook, and Kwame trio. I don't even have to run down Lebron's teammates -- Kobe's pale in comparison. After the underachieving Odom, the team is made up of guys who would normally be in the 8-12 range on most NBA rosters.

I'm thoroughly convinced that Kobe has gotten the most out of his team. I've watched him try to play the Nash role on that squad and it doesn't work. They're not good enough. They don't make open shots. Kobe's domination of the basketball gives the Lakers the best chance to win. There is no one more valuable to his basketball team than Bryant is. Without Kobe, they're the Knicks of the West sans any remote talent.

And on a final note, Kobe Bryant has practically been the 2005-2006 NBA season. The 81 point game, the reconciling with Shaq and Phil, the highest PPG since Jordan's in 1987. There is no choice here, fellas. Kobe Bryant is the Most Valuable Player in the league.

Dude was robbed.