Rudy Gay Traded to the Kings

Raptors, Kings Complete Rudy Gay Trade

The Toronto Raptors have reached an agreement in principle to send Rudy Gay to the Sacramento Kings, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The Kings will send Greivis Vasquez, John Salmons, Patrick Patterson and Chuck Hayes to the Raptors. The Kings will also acquire Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray in the deal, sources said.

The Raptors and Gay had become increasingly unhappy with each other, league sources said, and Gay’s contract was an obstacle to the franchise’s desire to begin the rebuilding process.

Gay is making $17.8 million this year, and holds a player option for $19.3 million for the 2014-15 season. The forward will almost assuredly exercise the option and take that salary next season.

The Kings plan to use Gay at the stretch-four position.

No more stat ban in Toronto!

I also hope Gay doesn't cock block Cousins's highest usage% season. It's first time for a center to lead this category afaik in a long time.

Good trade in my opinion, the Kings had Vazquez and Thomas, 2 good point guards who can be Starters in any team. Let's see if Gay can make some chemistry with Cousins. The Kings are going for all this year
I like the starting five: Thomas - McLemore - Gay - Williams - Cousins

For the Raptors, they got cap space, also getting ride of Gay, DeRozan can be a more efficient player, because he and Gay has similar tipe of playing. And Terrece Ross will have a more important role. Patterson can be a great fit for this team

That's three-fifths of my starting five! For Gay?!? I'm glad I already started this association.

WHY SACRAMENTO?? WHY???

I thought those are rumor's god dammit i bought tickets to see them play the spurs,but now knowing that Gay is gone i think i lost total hope for this team

Wow, I love nabbing Acy in the deal.
Even if Gay doesn't work out here we still dumped Hayes' deal, and aren't stuck with that much more money than we were paying to him, Salmons, and Patterson. Worst case we shop Rudy as an expiring next year if he accepts his option.

Any chance he doesn't take player's option next season? That sounds like the only way out of this entire mess for the Kings. Perhaps it's all worth it though, Wiggins!

I'm kinda worried now. I should have traded Cousins away when I had a chance.

I thought those are rumor's god dammit i bought tickets to see them play the spurs,but now knowing that Gay is gone i think i lost total hope for this team

What! Aren't you glad that he's gone?

Thank god Rudy is gone! I live in upstate New York so naturally Bills and Sabres fan. Also took an interest in the Raptors for the past few seasons due to their realitivity to my region. Was a little upset we traded Ed Davis to Memphis for Gay in the first place. Finally he's gone maybe Derozan can do his thing.

Win-win deal I reckon. Sacramento's not threatening to make the playoffs but Gay helps sell tickets and they clear up a lot of logjams in the rotation. Anything short of a playoff seed in a terrible Eastern Conference would be a failure for the Raptors this year, and they swap a guy who was pretty much a net negative this year for a bunch of veterans who should be helpful to some degree.

Win-win deal I reckon. Sacramento's not threatening to make the playoffs but Gay helps sell tickets and they clear up a lot of logjams in the rotation.

Would you say the same even if this was your Supersonics? What happened to a stat geek Lamerock.

Win-win deal I reckon. Sacramento's not threatening to make the playoffs but Gay helps sell tickets and they clear up a lot of logjams in the rotation. Anything short of a playoff seed in a terrible Eastern Conference would be a failure for the Raptors this year, and they swap a guy who was pretty much a net negative this year for a bunch of veterans who should be helpful to some degree.

Agreed.

That said, what's the over/under on Gay and Cousins butting heads?

More playing time for Jimmer?

Any chance he doesn't take player's option next season? That sounds like the only way out of this entire mess for the Kings

could you come up for yourself a plausible reason to walk away from $19million?

Kudos to Toronto management in getting this deal done. Forman better be taking notes

I swear Bryan Colangelo was trying to ruin this team for whatever reason or he thought he could do what he did in Phoenix in 2004 just with no direction. Luckily he stepped down or I guess up as just President and Masai Ujiri is attempting a run around as GM. Still upset with the trade of Ed Davis for Rudy Gay now seeing that Gay has been traded.

Yeah. Ujiri's been cleaning up the mess Colangelo created nicely. Getting rid of Bargnani was great and now shipping out Rudy gay? I love it. Look last night. Offense flourished with everyone doing what they're supposed to, letting Lowry run the offense and everyone else taking higher percentage shots. That's a huge improvement over Gay taking contested shots over and over again.

A lot of people are saying Lowry's the loser of this trade as skills overlap as facilitators with Vasquez arrival but Lowry's still better off with Vasquez than with Gay. Gay was just too massive of ballhog.

I read this interesting comment at a place:

Stupid fact for the day: Basketball was invented by a Canadian living in Massachusetts and was modeled after lacrosse. So you have to have one team in Canada.

If a team moves or there is expansion, where would they move to? The US is saturated and there are no obvious locations outside of St. Louis or KC but Montreal and Calgary could work.

Real pertinent to the Gay trade. Thanks.

Good trade for Toronto, the Kings became more entertaining...should be fun watching Cousins stare at Gay for taking ill advised shots. (Shots he intended to take himself.)

I'm sorry for DWill .. I was sure (before the raptors trade rumours) he would develop like everyone said he was supposed to .
shame really.

I'm sorry for DWill .. I was sure (before the raptors trade rumours) he would develop like everyone said he was supposed to .
shame really.

I wouldn't be worried about that. Gay and D-Will will probably start at 3-4 with JT heading to the bench (supposedly they are shopping him anyway). Also, Derrick's 31-5-5 just made sure that he'll get a legitimate role.

Kings got it good moving Vasquez, Isaiah can definitely lead this uptempo basketball. They got McLemore, Gay, D-WIll and Cousins, all of them when at full speed can cause major damages in transition. They still have to defend though.

And keep the ball out of Gay's hands in the half-court.

You and your stats are wrong.

Gay has tried to defend himself multiple times against the advanced statistics that label him as an inefficient blackhole on the offensive end.

“However you want to choose to use analytics, it’s up to you,” Gay told the New York Post recently. “I think it’s a good tool, don’t get me wrong. It’s always been a good tool for matchups and finding different lineups. But I wouldn’t dissect someone’s game over it, personally.

“Do I think I’m unfairly cast? Yeah, because the things they don’t keep in stats, I flourish at. I think everybody on the team would attest that they want the ball in my hands at the end of games, and when they need a basket, they go to me. Whether my analytic stats are bad or not, they like that [option]. That’s all that really matters to me. What comes up and all that stuff … of course I’d like to make all of my shots. I don’t shoot them just to try to miss. But as far as that, having respect and knowing my teammates will go to me if they need a bucket or they need to tie the game or they need to win the game, that’s all that really matters.”

“Honestly, how I view it, a computer can’t tell talent, it just can’t,” Gay told NBA.com in September. “When it comes down to it, it’s all about winning, and however you get the win. According to analytics, you either [have] to shoot a three or get to the foul line, and it’s not good for people like me that live in that mid-range area. … It’s tough. Obviously, according to analytics, some of my opponents wouldn’t value me as much as they do. So, a computer can say what it wants, but as long as I get respect from my peers, that’s all that matters.”

The advanced analytics crowd has been proven wrong before. Look no further than Monta Ellis, who was also cast aside as an inefficient chucker who supposedly made teams worse.

Now, with the Dallas Mavericks, Ellis is thriving with a new supporting cast, system and role that fit his game. He’s averaging 21.5 points, 5.6 assists, 3.4 rebounds and 1.6 steals on the 13-9 Mavericks. His PER is also a career-high 18.98 and there’s much less criticism being directed his way.

Ellis, who is one year older than Gay, is proof that it’s not too late for the forward to change the way he’s perceived and increase his value once again. Perhaps a change of scenery will be good for him and playing alongside Cousins and Thomas among others will help his game.

If he can emerge as a valuable second option and put up solid numbers as the Kings’ power forward, he’ll be viewed differently. Most importantly, if he helps get the Kings out of the Western Conference’s cellar, he’ll likely receive a lot of credit for the turnaround and change his public perception, just like Ellis did this year. It’ll take some work on Gay’s part, but he still has time to take back his career and prove his critics wrong.

1. Ellis at least had shown in prior seasons that he could use possessions efficiently. (And being 28 screams FLUKE RULE.)
B. Your team wouldn't need you to create last second shots to win if they were up 10 because you weren't taking all those shitty long twos and being a complete ball stopping black hole. As bad as Ellis got in his shot selection he still at least passed the ball to his teammates.

EDIT: fuck you site for going down as I tried to post

anyway the jist was that Rudy Gay only has 13 total games in his career with more than five assists and only two over 6, that he's one of 16 players all time to have a usage over 24% and assist rate under 10%, all the rest of whom except John Drew, Antawn Jamison and Mike Mitchell were bigs. If you bump it up to 10.5% you get Keith Van Horn.

Indeed, Van Horn and Danny Granger are the two players with the most similar career numbers to Gay, only both are better shooting versions, I made you a table but the server didn't want you to see it.

You still can't explain Jordan Crawford the MIP or MVP however you want to put it.