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Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Rip32 on Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:11 pm

http://www.nba360.tv/News/Team/darko-milicic-done-with-nba-after-season.html

As a Pistons fan I wish we wouldn't have taken Darko because of Larry Brown. As good of a coach as he was, that guy really staggered and destroyed any chance Darko had of really becoming a star or legit player.

I like when people say, "too bad he was drafted in front of Melo and Wade but any team would have taken him at number two. He was a skilled post player who could pass and shoot threes. He was 19 and had pro experience AND in his pre-draft workout went 18-19 from 3-point range in a shooting drill. He really does have talent, I don't think star talent, but he could have been a #2 or #3 option if he would have went to a team that would have eased him in and such.

Yeah, Carmello probably would have gone ahead of him to most teams that didn't already have a young guy at the 3 (Detroit had a SF in Prince who just shut down the NBA's best scorer in the previous year's playoffs), but no one knew how good Dwayne Wade was going to be back then, hell, most NBA teams had TJ Ford ranked higher on their draft boards (who I naivley wanted :lol:).

Point is, Darko looked like he could be Dirk Nowitzki with a defensive low post game, but he ended up being Nikolai Tskitishvili. I think many of those teams would have gambled on that.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Fresh8 on Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:18 pm

Agreed.

Just look at him on the international stage for Serbia where he is a 20 ppg scorer. Darko just did not get an opportunity in the NBA. It's a shame but that's how the NBA works, it's about landing on the right team. If Carmelo was drafted by Detroit, who knows how his career would have worked out?
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby J@3 on Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:17 pm

Just look at him on the international stage for Serbia where he is a 20 ppg scorer. Darko just did not get an opportunity in the NBA.


That doesn't make sense. If he's good enough to be scoring 20ppg for Serbia why is he playing like a scrub in the NBA? He's getting opportunities and has for a few years now, he had three seasons where he was getting around 20mpg. He isn't as good a player as he could've ended up because Detroit screwed him around so much but at the same time if he's able to play like that for his country why is he so shit in the NBA. It's not like he's backing up Pau and Bynum either, I mean he's playing for the Knicks.

It just doesn't seem like a coincidence to me that the Pistons would refuse to use him for so many years and now he's struggling to get minutes on a team with no C's. We saw in that interview after a game he had for Serbia he's obviously got a few screws loose but he must be doing something wrong.

That being said, people always make out like had he been given more minutes with Detroit he'd be some sort of superstar now. Nikoloz Tskitishvili was given 16mpg in his first season and now he doesn't exist. Pavel Podkolzine was a projected top 3 pick at once stage and now he's probably stacking really high supermarket shelves somewhere in Russia. Yaroslav Korolev was supposed to be a rich man's Kirilenko. You never know with these Euro's. Darko's biggest problem wasn't Larry Brown or the Pistons it was the fact that he was drafted in front of players who are so much better than him. It's one thing to look and say "well that pick didn't pan out (i.e Joe Alexander at the Bucks)" it's another thing to look and say "Three superstars were picked directly after this guy".
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Laxation on Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:38 pm

He has no confidence, talent or motivation. THAT, above all else, is why he sucks so much.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Andrew on Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:18 pm

I'm not altogether surprised, after the trade to New York I wondered if it might turn out to be his last season in the NBA.

"I don't give a [expletive] about the money," Milicic said. "I just want to enjoy the basketball. I'd like to have the ball in my hands and have an offense run through me. I'm not just a defensive player."


If that's his wish, then there's absolutely no way he's staying in the NBA. Judging by his other remarks, he clearly seems to realise that.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Modifly on Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:04 pm

Just about time. I dont think I'll miss him. :lol:
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby The X on Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:08 pm

It looks like Chris Bosh was the right pick at #2 for Pistons per my previous re-drafts :P
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:34 am

Rip32 wrote:As a Pistons fan I wish we wouldn't have taken Darko because of Larry Brown. As good of a coach as he was, that guy really staggered and destroyed any chance Darko had of really becoming a star or legit player.

Point is, Darko looked like he could be Dirk Nowitzki with a defensive low post game, but he ended up being Nikolai Tskitishvili. I think many of those teams would have gambled on that.


Larry Brown can't really take the blame for Darko's career sucking.
I read a Larry Brown quote somewhere about how he wanted Darko to play like Bill Russell. Obviously Larry Brown saw some great potential in Darko as to even think or hope about Darko being one of the greatest defensive big men of all time and that's coming from Larry Brown who knows all about defense.
I think Darko wouldn't or couldn't understand his role in the teams he played for. He brought his sucking upon himself.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Dee. on Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:50 am

Well,there were stuff like this while he was with grizzlies. :lol:
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Andrew on Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:09 am

An excerpt from Bret Hart's book comes to mind:

But the one comment from this time that made the longest-lasting impression on me came from the legendary Pedro Morales. The former WWWF champ was a kind, almost shy, Puerto Rican wrestler who rose to equal the fame and legend of Bruno Sammartino. "I'm a goin' tell ya somethin', Hitman. You always hear 'bout guys in the business who tell you they never got a break, or the promoter screwed them, or they got hurt, all kinds of excuses, good or bad. But you remember this, remember it was me who told you: You cannot stop talent! No matter what, sooner or later, it proves itself. You, my friend, have talent! Someday you're gonna be a big star in this business."


Now, professional wrestling and the NBA are two different worlds (despite what the conspiracy theorists might suggest), but I think the same thing applies in regards to talent. If it's there, it will get to the point where a team has no choice but to give a player a chance. Darko has played for four different NBA teams and six different coaches. With so many changes of scene and new faces running the teams he's been on, you'd think he'd catch a break somewhere if he was a good as the Pistons originally thought him to be or as good as Darko himself seems to believe.

It reminds me of a quote in Phil Jackson's book The Last Season, where he recounts a tale about Kobe Bryant's father Joe "Jellybean" Bryant claiming he was just as good as Magic Johnson but never got a chance to prove it in the NBA. If you're that good, I don't think there's anything at the end of the day that can hold you back.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Fresh8 on Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:44 am

Jae wrote:
Just look at him on the international stage for Serbia where he is a 20 ppg scorer. Darko just did not get an opportunity in the NBA.


That doesn't make sense. If he's good enough to be scoring 20ppg for Serbia why is he playing like a scrub in the NBA? He's getting opportunities and has for a few years now, he had three seasons where he was getting around 20mpg. He isn't as good a player as he could've ended up because Detroit screwed him around so much but at the same time if he's able to play like that for his country why is he so shit in the NBA. It's not like he's backing up Pau and Bynum either, I mean he's playing for the Knicks.


Well, after deeper look, 20 ppg was a bit of a stretch but he averaged 16 ppg, 9 rpg for the Serbian national team at the World Championships. Granted, they weren't a very good side but he was still close to averaging a double double in international play where statistics are lower as well due to the play. When I said he didn't get an opportunity, at the start he just didn't get a chance to play in Brown's system. I think that must have messed with his head. In recent years, he just has not seemed to show much improvement and I will have to admit we can't blame that on anyone.

But you look at him with the Knicks now and D'Antoni isn't playing him... however it's the same with Nate Robinson who has not gotten off the bench since start of the month I believe. So like Robinson, Darko isn't getting the chance to play. That's not to say there's anything wrong with that; the coach is the one who decides if the team needs them. And it also does not reflect on whether they are good enoguh players. The premise of my argument is that Darko either has landed on teams that don't need him and on teams that do let him play - he has been average.

So coming back to him being one of Serbia's leading scorers, rebounders, shot blockers - I don't think he is on the national team anymore - it also makes me ask why he can't play at a high level in the NBA. Maybe the answer lies with his mental capacity to cope with playing in the NBA? Because skill-wise, I'm sure he is good enough to stick around and that's why NY picked him up over the Summer. Ever since he left Detroit, the most I was thinknig he would become was a solid starter who grabbed close to 10 boards a night and could lead his team in shotblocking.

EDIT: Also agree with the people in here who said the argument of 'Darko got picked earlier than Melo, Wade, Bosh makes him a bust'... As I said it's a bit unfair because you wouldn't know how those three would have turned out if they went to Detroit and played under Larry Brown. Don't forget the Athens olympcis when the young gusy barely got off the bench for Team USA. Who knows - Darko might have turned out a decent player if he went to a really shitty team and no one would be calling him a bust now.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Andrew on Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:16 am

But again, he's played for four teams and six coaches during his NBA career. That's ample opportunity for a fresh start and for someone to recognise his talents and give him a chance to play like a star.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Fresh8 on Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:20 am

Andrew wrote:But again, he's played for four teams and six coaches during his NBA career. That's ample opportunity for a fresh start and for someone to recognise his talents and give him a chance to play like a star.


Which is why I said, perhaps he just is not strong willed enoguh to succeed in the NBA. And from the quotes, he seems to acknowledge that when he says he does not think the NBA is the place for him to be the kind of player he wants to be. I see him as a starter/solid team mate but he sees himself as someone that the team runs plays for and he creates for others.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Its_asdf on Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:16 pm

He will always have a place in my heart for being a leftie, ripping his jersey a la the Hulk during a game and wanting to sexually assault a referee's daughter after a poorly officiated game overseas.

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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby NovU on Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:35 pm

I remember him being compared to Dirk in his draft year. What a bust. What made the matter worse for him was going crazy in front of camera.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby air gordon on Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:38 am

continuing with the NBA's theme of "the best "x" of the decade"...

i nominate Darko as bust of the decade

and while we're at it how about we fire on Chad Ford who told us...
Darko is really one of a kind. He runs the floor, handles the ball, shoots an NBA three and plays with his back to the basket. So you can slot him at the 3, 4 or 5. Okay, a few other guys can do that, too, but what sets Darko apart is his toughness in the post ... Fact is, Darko plays in attack mode at both ends of the floor. The more you push, the more he pushes back

wasn't this around the time ESPN came up with the scam of "insider" where you pay the site to get insight such as this???!!!
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:22 am

I think ESPN Insider had been around for a year or two before Darko was drafted but close enough, I say. I'm sure that same two or three year period contributed greatly to the overuse of "upside" as well.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby J@3 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:26 am

The peak of Chad Ford. Where he just randomly made shit up, said a source had told him then made an article about it.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Rip32 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:00 pm

I love the NBA Draft, but the word "upside" has destroyed so many teams.

Speaking of Chad Ford, here are two of my favorites I found from him (not even including man-crush Maciej Lampe):

Chad Ford wrote:"Emeka Okafor may be more battle tested. Dwight Howard is certainly more athletic and skilled at the same age. But there is no one in the draft with a bigger upside than Pavel. At 7-foot-5 and 300 pounds (his measurements in Treviso), Pavel has the potential to dominate physically in the league some day. He is huge, strong, fairly athletic for a player his size and bursting with energy."


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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Laxation on Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:20 pm

The absolute worst thing about journalists is how they can make and brash statement they want without any accountability.
Then on the off chance they get one right, they go on and fucking on about it.

They should each have limits on how many predictions they can fuck up, and then when they go past it, they get shot. That will put an end to those stupid fucking articles about "How and Why New Jersey can still make the playoffs" or "Chicago will win the Finals" that are only written to rouse up people and get attention.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:38 pm

Such "journalists" do serve a purpose though, if nothing else entertaining us with unintentional humour. They can also be that one unifying element in basketball/sports fandom; two fans may disagree on everything and anything, except for that one analyst who sucks.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby air gordon on Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:21 am

Jae wrote:The peak of Chad Ford. Where he just randomly made shit up, said a source had told him then made an article about it.

i'm surprised he fell off. Peter Vescey rode this style to the basketball hall of fame. i guess the great Chad Ford's expertise was doubted when the great Pavel, Lampe, Skita, Darko fell on their collective faces

i agree with Laxation.. but not to those depths as he goes. at least in the NFL all those loudmouths guys in the studio on cbs, fox, espn.... they get to be loudmouths but they are held accountable as their picks get tracked & tallied. there's gotta be something like that for the NBA (other then what NBAtv does on fan nite)

i've grown tired of college analysts Jay Bilas & Dicky one eye giving us their bias opinions on experienced college players vs underclassmen. i'll never forget Bilas proclaiming Josh Smith will be a nba bust while the newly drafted Smith just shaked hands with commisoner Stern
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby vinceair on Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:41 am

Darko is almost like milder version of Kwame Brown.
Some guys just doesn't have enough luck or self confidence to fill that potential. You have to be cocky.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby Andrew on Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:43 am

I don't think confidence is an issue with Darko, he seems pretty convinced that he's a star.
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Re: Darko says he's done with NBA after this season

Postby shadowgrin on Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:57 am

You call this mild?!?
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