Compose a team of Non-All Stars

Non-All Stars includes players who have never been voted/selected into the ASG and players who have never been replacements in the ASG.
Also, Rookies and Sophmores cannot be included as they have not had much chance to be selected as an All Star, so this excludes players such as Derrick Rose.

Here's my lineup:
C-Al Jefferson
PF-Lamarcus Aldridge
SF-Kevin Durant
SG-Monta Ellis
PG-Deron Williams
6-Rajon Rondo
7-Andris Biedrins
8-Udonis Haslem
9-Tayshaun Prince
10-Lamar Odom
11-Andre Iguodala
12-Jason Richardson

The forwards gave me a tough time and I had real trouble excluding David Lee, Rudy Gay, and Richard Jefferson.

Last edited by mvpshaq32 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:09 am, edited 1 time in total.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's hard to believe some of those guys haven't been all-stars. Crazy.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's hard to believe some of those guys haven't been all-stars. Crazy.

I was pretty surprised too when I did some research.
I could've sworn Prince was an All-Star and possibly JRich, but I was wrong.

Wasn't Devin Harris an all-star this year?

Also, Durant's a sophomore. Rondo and Deron Williams should be on your list.

Wasn't Devin Harris an all-star this year?

Really? I'll have to look that up.
Edit: You're right.

Also, Durant's a sophomore. Rondo and Deron Williams should be on your list.

Totally forgot Rondo and Kevin Durant is entering his third year so he's not a sophmore anymore.

Yeah, I thought so. Anyway, here's what my team would look like:

C - Tyson Chandler
PF - LaMarcus Aldridge
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Andre Iguodala
PG - Deron Williams
6/SF - Tayshaun Prince
7/PF- Josh Smith
8/PG- Rajon Rondo
9/C- Al Jefferson
10/SG - Jason Richardson
11/PF - Lamar Odom
12/C - Andrea Bargnani
IR/PG - Jose Calderon
IR/SF - Rudy Gay
IR/SG - Ben Gordon

Correct me if I'm wrong, if one doesn't qualify, since I just came up with these at the top of my head.

Okay, I'll bite.

C - Nene
PF - Al Jefferson
SF - Andre Iguodala
SG - Kevin Martin
PG - Rajon Rondo
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6 - Deron Williams
7 - Kevin Durant
8 - Emeka Okafor
9 - LaMarcus Aldridge
10 - Ben Gordon
11 - Jason Terry
12 - David Lee

Definitely a contender at the least.

Runner-Up Team:

C - Marcus Camby
PF - Lamar Odom
SF - Richard Jefferson
SG - Monta Ellis
PG - Andre Miller
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6 - Hedo Turkoglu
7 - Tyson Chandler
8 - Gerald Wallace
9 - Jose Calderon
10 - Andrew Bynum
11 - Mike Bibby
12 - John Salmons

Solid team as well.

Last edited by Lamrock on Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:35 am, edited 1 time in total.

Why did you put Andre Miller in the starting PG instead of Bibby? And also, Hedo should replace RJ in the starting SF position.

C - DJ Mbenga
PF - Kurt Thomas
SF - Matt Bonner
SG - Trenton Hassell
PG - Jason Hart

- Chris Quinn
- Eduardo Najera
- Kareem Rush
- Robert Swift
- Shelden Williams
- Francisco Elson
- Mark Blount

You never said it had to be a good team.

C - Joel Anthony.
PF - Tyrus Thomas.
SF - John Salmons.
SG - Kyle Korver.
PG - Deron Williams.
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6th - Kirk Hinrich.
7th - Udonis Haslem.
8th - Hakim Warrick.
9th - Kendrick Perkins.
10th - Jamario Moon.
11th - Gerald Green.
12th - James White.

Simply awesome.

Last edited by Martti. on Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:27 am, edited 1 time in total.

Jae, I'd probably start Sean Marks on your team

As well as Michael Olowokandi.

Javale McGee
Al Jefferson
Quentin Richardson
Kevin Martin
Deron Williams

---Bench---

Al Horford
Monta Ellis
Chris Wilcox
Bostjan Nachbar
Julian Wright

Definetly, not an All Star team, but good enough to be considered "above average"

Chris Wilcox and Bostjan Nachbar? Why those two? None of them haven't show any promising sign so far.

C - DJ Mbenga
PF - Kurt Thomas
SF - Matt Bonner
SG - Trenton Hassell
PG - Jason Hart

- Chris Quinn
- Eduardo Najera
- Kareem Rush
- Robert Swift
- Shelden Williams
- Francisco Elson
- Mark Blount

You never said it had to be a good team.

That's about the most flawless team I've ever seen......

C - DJ Mbenga
PF - Kurt Thomas
SF - Matt Bonner
SG - Trenton Hassell
PG - Jason Hart

- Chris Quinn
- Eduardo Najera
- Kareem Rush
- Robert Swift
- Shelden Williams
- Francisco Elson
- Mark Blount

You never said it had to be a good team.

That's about the most flawless team I've ever seen......

C: Saer Sene
PF: Primoz Brezec
SF: Darvin Ham (Team Captain)
SG: Greg Buckner
PG: Keith McLeod

- Michael Olowokandi
- DJ Mbenga
- Trenton Hassell
- DJ Strawberry
- Johan Petro

Beat It

You should take Greg Buckner out and include Adam Haluska

Chris Wilcox and Bostjan Nachbar? Why those two? None of them haven't show any promising sign so far.

I put those two on my team because in NBA Live I always play well with them. I'm a fan of their virtual counterparts.

Here is a better, funner idea. We need to get Benji to calculate how many wins this All-Star team would get:

C - Jamaal Magloire
PF - Juwan Howard
SF - Antoine Walker
SG - Michael Finley
PG - Stephon Marbury
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6 - Steve Francis
7 - Kenyon Martin
8 - Ben Wallace
9 - Wally Szczerbiak
10 - Eddie Jones
11 - Jerry Stackhouse
12 - Theo Ratliff

C - DJ Mbenga
PF - Kurt Thomas
SF - Matt Bonner
SG - Trenton Hassell
PG - Jason Hart

- Chris Quinn
- Eduardo Najera
- Kareem Rush
- Robert Swift
- Shelden Williams
- Francisco Elson
- Mark Blount

You never said it had to be a good team.

That's about the most flawless team I've ever seen......

Don't you mean "floorless"?

C-Al Jefferson/Chandler
PF-Odom/Aldridge
SFJosh Smith/Prince
SG-Iguodala/Gordon
PG- Deron Williams/Rondo

Not exactly good at team-composing

Here is a better, funner idea. We need to get Benji to calculate how many wins this All-Star team would get:

C - Jamaal Magloire
PF - Juwan Howard
SF - Antoine Walker
SG - Michael Finley
PG - Stephon Marbury
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6 - Steve Francis
7 - Kenyon Martin
8 - Ben Wallace
9 - Wally Szczerbiak
10 - Eddie Jones
11 - Jerry Stackhouse
12 - Theo Ratliff

With a rotation that equally distributes PT, this entire team of players who were named to the all-star game at some point in there career would likely go 17-65. How the mighty have fallen, eh? If they start Marbury - Finley - Szczerbiak - Martin - Wallace and play them star minutes, they would win 20-25 games.

My method of calculation might be stupid though. This is a really terrible team.

here's my selection

C. Al Jefferson
PF. Lamar Odom
SF. Jason Richardson
SG. Ben Gordon
PG. Deron Williams
6. John Salmons
7. Derrick Rose
8. Tyson Chandler
9. Kirk Hinrich
10. Kevin Durant
11. Emeka Okafor
12. Trevor Ariza

With a rotation that equally distributes PT, this entire team of players who were named to the all-star game at some point in there career would likely go 17-65. How the mighty have fallen, eh? If they start Marbury - Finley - Szczerbiak - Martin - Wallace and play them star minutes, they would win 20-25 games.

My method of calculation might be stupid though. This is a really terrible team.

You overrated them on the first count. I had to use 2007-08 numbers for a number of these guys because they either didn't play this season (Walker) or played so little it was meaningless (Stackhouse) in terms of sample size. For your starters I gave them 70% of minutes (around 34mpg) and all bench players except Francis (only PG, also sixth man) 20% of remaining minutes (10mpg). Francis got 30% which is around 15mpg. That said, Walker leads the team at 16.1ppg. The team would be expected to score 85 points a game, and give up 101. That's a pythag of about 7-8 wins. So 7-75 or 8-74 would be expected. (Once you get over a point differential of 12, you hit diminishing returns in terms of how bad you can get.)

Going with your other starting lineup, same minute criteria. (I.e. Walker is now 20%, Martin is 70%.) You slightly underrated them. Finley leads with 16.4ppg. They score 90 points a game and give up 96 for a pythag of 25-57.

Now, a real bottleneck is 2008-09 Marbury. Flipping him and Francis takes that second rotation to 34-48. Flipping them for the first rotation takes them to 11-71. Replacing him with 2007-08 Marbury takes the first rotation to 13-69 and the second to 39-43.

What exactly is your method for calculating the wins? I do a simplistic method of multiplying win shares per minute for each player by the minutes they would get, hence the different results.