Derrick Rose, your ROTY

[JaoSming]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4088433

Chicago Bulls guard Derrick Rose has been named the NBA's Rookie of the Year, the Chicago Tribune reported Wednesday.

The team is holding a news conference at 3 p.m. ET, at which it's expected the point guard, a Chicago native, will officially receive the award.

Rose averaged 16.8 points per game, second to the Memphis Grizzlies' O.J. Mayo among rookies. Rose led all rookies in assists with 6.3 per game and was second in minutes played with 37 per game.

Rose joins Michael Jordan and Elton Brand among Bulls named rookie of the year. Brand shared the 1999-2000 award with Steve Francis; Jordan was rookie of the year in 1984-85.

Rose is the fourth player since 1990 to be named the league's top rookie and lead his team to the playoffs. The others are Tim Duncan in 1997-98 with the San Antonio Spurs, Chris Webber in 1993-94 with the Golden State Warriors and David Robinson in 1989-90 with the Spurs.

Rose had 36 points and 11 assists in his playoff debut, as the Bulls stunned the Boston Celtics in Game 1 of their Eastern Conference quarterfinal series on Saturday. He followed that up with a 10-point, 7-assist effort in the Bulls' Game 2 loss. Game 3 is Thursday night in Chicago.

[Doobie]

Well earned by Derrick. Excellent Rookie year for him, great class this year.

[Oskar]

I've loved him since the beginning, and I'm delighted that the Bulls got their hometown hero, Derrick's been magnificent, and like it was said in some of the articles, the amount of highlights he has compared to the games played, that is very, very good.

We all know, that the Bulls had just 1.7% chance to make the playoffs this year, don't we ? ;P

[Martti.]

No complaints here, well deserved. Best rookie all year long.

[Its_asdf]

That first playoff game definitely sealed off any debate as to who would win the award.

[Dan's Brain]

Awesome news! I couldn't be happier. Now for the love of GOD, do not trade him to the Clippers for "Tyson Chandler" or whatever. Keep him the fuck in Chicago.

Here's the full list of votes, too. Didn't end up being as close as I thought it would be.

2008-09 T-Mobile Rookie of the Year Award Voting

Player (Team) Votes: 1st 2nd 3rd Total
Derrick Rose (CHI) 111 5 4 574
O.J. Mayo (MEM) 5 64 29 246
Brook Lopez (NJN) 2 28 33 127
Russell Westbrook (OKC) 2 13 24 73
Eric Gordon (LAC) - 4 10 22
Kevin Love (MIN) - 2 10 16
Michael Beasley (MIA) - 2 1 7
Marc Gasol (MEM) - 1 1 4
Robin Lopez (PHO) - 1 - 3
Rudy Fernandez (POR) - - 3 3
Mario Chalmers (MIA) - - 2 2
Courtney Lee (ORL) - - 2 2
Nicolas Batum (POR) - - 1 1

[Modifly]

No surprises here either, nobody else deserves it more than him.

[C-77]

Already expected him to win it since the end of november!,so no surprises here

[Lamrock]

No surprises here either, nobody else deserves it more than him.

Except for Brook Lopez, Kevin Love and Marc Gasol.

[CMJ3]

Probably the best player on the Bulls and they made the playoffs so id say he deserved it, although i loved the crop of big men in this years class. Exciting times ahead for this draft class me thinks.

[Oakrhum]

Derrick Rose is the best Chicago Bull ever! (joke)

[Andrew]

He wasn't the only deserving candidate, but needless to say I'm happy that he got the nod and I think it was well-earned. 3/3

[kevC]

No surprises here either, nobody else deserves it more than him.

Except for Brook Lopez, Kevin Love and Marc Gasol.

And Rudy Fernandez and Mario Chalmers.

[Valor]

Congrads to Rose!! GO CHICAGO!!

[Oskar]

No surprises here either, nobody else deserves it more than him.

Except for Brook Lopez, Kevin Love and Marc Gasol.

And Rudy Fernandez and Mario Chalmers.

Nicely pulled !

No, seriously, Brook, Kevin, Gasol, Rudy or Mario, non of them had to lead their teams (especially to the playoffs), none of them played as good as Rose, it's just a no, no, no and no, Rose is the ROY, without a doubt.

[Modifly]

Yeah, I cant argue that Lopez, Kevin Love, Gasol and Fernandez have had a tremendous rookie season, but when you take all of the factors into account, you cant argue that Rose is the most deserving out of all those either. Most importantly, Rose is a major reason why the Bulls are in the playoffs this year. All those rookies except for Fernandez are on a playoffs team, and without Fernandez Portland would still make the playoffs. Rose have managed to lead his team from a non-playoffs team into a playoffs team, and without Rose the Bulls would not make it. That fact alone plus his impressive performances beats all the argument as to why he won the award.

[benji]

You guys are aware that basketball is a team sport right?

[Modifly]

Of course.

I understand what you're trying to point out, but Rose have really had a big impact on the Bulls' improvement even before they acquire Salmons and Miller.

[benji]

What was his impact?

The Bulls over the last 51 games of 2007-08: 21-30.
The Bulls over the first 51 games of 2008-09: 22-29.

Getting rid of Gooden-Nocioni-Hughes-Thabo was the turning point of the season. The Bulls were the same 32 win team they were the season before, then they made those trades and along with the resulting rotation changes it turned them into a 50 win team the rest of the way.

Rose is good, but it's silly to say he was the best rookie because of the team overhauling its roster with 30 games to go.

[Oskar]

The Bulls were going down the hill, and without Rose they would've been worse than last year. They lost chemistry, got lazy and so on, but Rose has been a good leader, he's leading everyone by an example, he puts in a lot of work and it has paid off. One way or another, he deserves it more than anyone else, playoffs or not.

[benji]

One way or another, he deserves it more than anyone else, playoffs or not.

Why? For what reason does he absolutely without question deserve it over Kevin Love or Brook Lopez?

Can you quantify "good leader"? Was he a better leader, did he lead by example more, or put in more work this season than Love or Lopez? Where's the evidence?

Lopez scored better, destroyed Rose on the glass (as he should) and was his teams best defensive player. Kevin Love put in the most amazing rookie offensive rebounding performance since Hakeem was Akeem and is only the second rookie in the NBA to lead the league in offensive rebounding. (And he also scored better than Rose.)

Other rookies were also in the discussion. Marc Gasol had a year that was easily as good as Rose's and Rudy Fernandez put on a shooting clinic and played as much of a role in the Blazers success if not more than Rose did in Chicago's.

This wasn't a Chris Paul situation where the competition was obliterated. This was a Kevin Durant situation. Where the ROY had been anointed from the minute he was drafted even though there were plenty of other defensible picks. (And Oden went down. Although there was a late rush to Horford because of his team success.) Brandon Roy's victory was similar. (Although slightly different because he started off gimpy with an injury, his anointment held off for a bit. He still won in a landslide.)

[Oskar]

You're real good at this. I'm pretty sure with "Block % - Turiaf: 6.9% (168 total), Okafor: 4.2% (136 total)" you also mean that Turiaf is a better shotblocker or defender than Okafor and I'm pretty sure you would also put Chris Paul in your all defensive team.

It's obvious that you haven't watched Rose play, he improved every part of his game as the season went on, his jumper got better, his court vision and passing overall improved A LOT, there were a lot of games where Rose won the game for us with his clutch performance and you know what, you sound almost like those GSW fanboys on RealGM, they keep saying Rose is a superb talent and should've gone second without a doubt. In their opinion, Anthony Randolph is the best player there has ever been, atleast will be in this decade.

What you are saying is flat out ridicilous, I agree, that Love, Lopez, Gasol etc. had great rookie seasons, and Lopez for example would win the award in 7 seasons out of 10, but this year, Rose was the clear rookie of the year. You can remove the 'clear', so you could just agree with a fact.

Rose, I agree, didn't have spectacular stats, but that's not the only aspect of the game. If, let's say, Brook would've won the award and you'd be here happy and stuff like that, like I am happy for Rose, I could come here and say that Brook didn't deserve it, Rose is a much better passer and a lot more athletic. That's something you do, you say Rose didn't deserve it much more than Brook because Brook is a better rebounder and so is Kevin Love. You also bring up Rudy Fernandez, because he is a good shooter and in your opinion, had as big role in his teams' success as Rose had for Chicago, which is ridicilous. Tell me the most important position on the court - that's right, Point Guard. When you have 4 guys wanting the ball and the pressure on bringing the ball up and down the court, especially as a rookie from day one without having time to adjust to the NBA level. Rose handled that well and carried his team as good - if not better, than a veteran Kirk Hinrich, a good player and leader.

I see you have your own opinions and you're aloud to tell them, but I get insulted by someone saying, that Rudy Fernandez, who played like.. what, 20-25 minutes a game and isn't by far the one who makes everything work - on the other hand, Derrick Rose, played a little below 40 minutes a game, was the 2nd scoring option behind Ben Gordon for most of the season and also handled the ball almost as much as Gordon, atleast had to handle, but he's a little bit too passive. I also get insulted by you saying that Lopez is a better scorer than Rose. Rose can score at any time he wants (unless he gets a wall built on his way[C's recently]), he's got a deadly crossover and his first step is flat out ridicilous, he could even light up one of the best players who could be out there guarding him and one of the few that could stay up with him, Rondo. Rajon didn't know what to expect from Rose and he got torched in their first meeting in the playoffs, later though, the Celtics adjusted to Rose and always treated him like a star, he got double- or even triple teamed and that's one thing that held Rose during the season too, he had much, much more defensive pressure than Brook, Love or anyone I could come up with, maybe Mayo up there because he was like the 1st scoring option for his team and easily the best player.

I'm pretty sure I can't change your mind, but to me you're pretty much like, um, Hollinger .. He said that Lopez deserves to be the rookie of the year, because his effiency is better, or something like this, I don't remember what stat it was and I honestly don't care.

Taking it all together, Rose, despite his stats, at 17-6-4 with a real good field goal percentage ain't spectacular, he has been the leader to his team and as a huge Bulls fan, I can tell you that he is a really, really good leader and with the mentality he has, sky's the limit for him. He even has a list for himself where he, HIMSELF, has written his major weaknesses that he needs to work on all the time, and he sees the list really often. The defensive pressure, being one of the primary ball handlers, second scoring option, the point guard position, the pressure of leading his team and getting everything asked from his and so on, so on and on and on .. He's clearly, a dream come true for the Bulls.

A lot of Bulls fans agree with me, before the draft lottery, the Bulls had about 1.7% chance to make the playoffs, the discipline wasn't there, but they're led by a great example now.

Rose - thank you.

[benji]

I'm pretty sure with "Block % - Turiaf: 6.9% (168 total), Okafor: 4.2% (136 total)" you also mean that Turiaf is a better shotblocker or defender than Okafor

It's a joking reference to another thread. The first claim sounds like a solid one, better shot blockers would probably be players who block more shots. Second one wouldn't be a very good claim.

It's obvious that you haven't watched Rose play,

But of course, whenever anyone disagrees it's obvious they haven't ever watched any basketball ever. Or played any.

you know what, you sound almost like those GSW fanboys on RealGM, they keep saying Rose is a superb talent and should've gone second without a doubt. In their opinion, Anthony Randolph is the best player there has ever been, atleast will be in this decade.

I don't follow?

What you are saying is flat out ridicilous

It must be! I disagree with you!

If, let's say, Brook would've won the award and you'd be here happy and stuff like that

Why would I be happy? (Or "stuff like that"?)

I could come here and say that Brook didn't deserve it, Rose is a much better passer and a lot more athletic.

But that'd just be ridicilous, you clearly haven't watched Lopez play.

had as big role in his teams' success as Rose had for Chicago, which is ridicilous

You clearly haven't watched Rudy play.

See how fun this is!

but I get insulted by someone saying...I also get insulted

Maybe you shouldn't take basketball so personally. It's not an insult against you when someone says a player isn't perfect or is not unquestionably better than another.

He even has a list for himself where he, HIMSELF, has written his major weaknesses that he needs to work on all the time, and he sees the list really often.

Great. But that doesn't mean he was the best rookie this season. Troy Murphy is probably the hardest working player at adding things to his game. He's still not the best player in the league.

A lot of Bulls fans agree with me, before the draft lottery, the Bulls had about 1.7% chance to make the playoffs, the discipline wasn't there, but they're led by a great example now.

Okay?

He said that Lopez deserves to be the rookie of the year, because his effiency is better, or something like this, I don't remember what stat it was and I honestly don't care.

Basically every stat? He shot better, rebounded better, stole as much, blocked more, and had the same turnover rate. He was also far bigger of a defensive impact. It is impossible to deny that Lopez put up a better season. If you disagree you don't even know what sports are.

You can argue Rose still deserves ROY, and there are probably fairly strong arguments to support this. (Of which I've only see one in this thread so far. Rose played the second most minutes of any rookie. But that just means O.J. Mayo should have won since he played 120 more minutes, didn't miss a single game and was also his teams second option.) But it is absurd to claim Rose vaporized the competition like Chris Paul instead of landing right in the middle of a pack of great rookie seasons. We all know Rose won the award in a landslide because he was anointed from day one and the Bulls made the playoffs. (And the media doesn't pay attention to more than two or three players per team.) But that has no bearing on how good he actually was.

[NovU]

FOR Christs sake, stop it!!! You guys are ridicilous!!!
I can come up with better reasons why Joel Anthony deserves ROTY over those basketball noobs.

[Andrew]

Please do. His eligibility despite being in his second year this season invites creativity.