Karl Malone vs Shawn Kemp in the 90's

[John Mullins]

although scubilete has expressed his opinion, i'd like to hear from the rest of y'all

Here is some important notes for making such a decision:

1990:
Malone's line of statistics (p,r,a,s,b,t)
31, 11.1, 2.8, 1.48, .61, 3.71
Kemp's
6.5, 4.3, .3, .58, .86, 1.32
(gee i wonder who's winning so far )

records
Utah – 55-27 (lose to Phoenix in first round)
Seattle – 41-41

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, T.Bailey
Seattle – X.McDaniel, D.Ellis, D.McKey, M.Cage


1991:
Malone’s stats
29, 11.8, 3.3, 1.09, .96, 2.98
Kemp’s
15, 8.4, 1.8, .95, 1.52, 2.49

records
Utah – 54-28 (lose to Portland in conf. Semifinals)
Seattle – 41-41 (lose to Portland in first round)

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, J.Malone
Seattle – B.Benjamin, R.Pierce, D,McKey, E.Johnson


1992
Malone’s stats
28, 11.2, 3, 1.33, .63, 3.16
Kemp’s
15.5, 10.4, 1.3, 1.09, 1.94, 2.44

records
Utah – 55-27 (lose to Portland in conf. Finals)
Seattle – 47-35 (lose to Utah in conf. Semifinals)

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, J.Malone
Seattle – R.Pierce, B.Benjamin, D.McKey, E.Johnson


1993
Malone’s stats
27, 11.2, 3.8, 1.51, 1.04, 2.93
Kemp’s
17.8, 10.7, 2, 1.53, 1.87, 2.78

records
Utah – 47-35 (lose to Seattle in first round)
Seattle – 55-27 (lose to Phoenix in conf. finals)

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, J.Malone, T.Corbin
Seattle – R.Pierce, G.Payton, S.Perkins, D.McKey


1994
Malone’s stats
25.2, 11.5, 4, 1.52, 1.54, 2.85
Kemp’s
18.1, 10.8, 2.6, 1.8, 2.1, 3.28

records
Utah – 53-29 (lose to Houston in conf. Finals)
Seattle – 63-19 (lose to Denver in first round)

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, J.Hornacek
Seattle – G.Payton, D.Schrempf, K.Gill


1995
Malone’s stats
26.7, 10.6, 3.5, 1.57, 1.04, 2.88
Kemp’s
18.7, 10.9, 1.8, 1.24, 1.49, 3.16

records
Utah – 60-22 (lose to Houston in first round)
Seattle – 57-25 (lose to LA Lakers in first round)

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, J.Hornacek
Seattle – G.Payton, D.Schrempf, K.Gill


1996
Malone’s stats
25.7, 9.8, 4.2, 1.68, .68, 2.43
Kemp’s
19.6, 11.4, 2.2, 1.18, 1.61, 3.99

records
Utah – 55-27 (lose to Seattle in conf. Finals)
Seattle – 64-18 (lose to Chicago in NBA Finals)

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, J.Hornacek
Seattle – G.Payton, D.Schrempf, H.Hawkins


1997
Malone’s stats
27.4, 9.9, 4.5, 1.38, .59, 2.84
Kemp’s
18.7, 10, 1.9, 1.54, 1, 3.46

records
Utah – 64-18 (lose to Chicago in NBA Finals)
Seattle – 61-21 (lose to Houston in conf semifinals)

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, J.Hornacek
Seattle – G.Payton, D.Schrempf, H.Hawkins


1998
Malone’s stats
27, 10.3, 3.9, 1.19, .86, 3.05
Kemp’s
18, 9.3, 2.5, 1.35, 1.13, 3.39

records
Utah – 62-20 (lose to Chicago in NBA finals)
Cleveland – 47-35 (lose to Indiana in first round)

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton, J.Hornacek
Cleveland – Z.Ilgauskas, W.Person


1999
Malone’s stats
23.8, 9.4, 4.1, 1.27, .57, 3.31
Kemp’s
20.5, 9.2, 2.4, 1.14, 1.07, 3.02

records
Utah – 37-13 (lose to Portland in conf. Semifinals)
Cleveland – 22-28

Supporting cast
Utah – J.Stockton
Cleveland – Nil


Karl Malone
- Two-time NBA Most Valuable Player
- All-NBA first team every year of the 1990’s
- Named NBA all-defensive first team in 97, 98, 99

Shawn Kemp
- All-NBA second team in 94,95,96

[alexboom]

Malone is better for sure, but we can't deny that Shawn Kemp was also one of the greatest player of the 90's.

I think that Karl Malone can be considered as the all time best PF of the NBA History

[Andrew]

But those statistics do not tell the whole story. In Utah, the offense has been run through Karl Malone since his second season. Since 1986, he has been established as the main man in Utah, always the leading scorer. This was not the same situation for Shawn Kemp in Seattle - the scoring was more evenly distributed over the team, and their offense relied on five guys, instead of two (and sometimes three), primarily one, as was the case in Utah.

Something else that should noted - Malone has averaged 37.3 minutes per game for his career - Shawn Kemp, 27.9. Not only has Malone been in a system that allowed him to produce the numbers that he has (which are impressive, yes - that cannot be disputed), he's also had more court time. It's easy to say someone is not producing, but if they're only getting around 14 minutes a game - without plays being drawn for them and getting more than 5 shots per game - they are not going to amass the same kind of numbers.

That said, it's obvious that Karl Malone was the superior player during the 90s - the statistics show that. However, the point that I was trying to make in the original thread was simply that Shawn Kemp was not a terrible player - as a couple of your posts suggested. Furthermore, in same categories, such as blocked shots, Shawn Kemp did produce better numbers - in fact, Kemp has a higher total in fewer seasons, fewer games played, and with much less playing time.

Malone was better - but to say Shawn Kemp was not a good player is to grossly underrate him.

[John Mullins]

Malone has averaged 37.3 minutes per game for his career - Shawn Kemp, 27.9

we are supposed to be talking about the 1990's only andrew.
1990's mpg
Kemp - 30.79
Malone - 38.2

Who's fault is this that Kemp didn't get minutes. Don't u think Kemp would've got more minutes if he deserved more minutes? Maybe Kemp was too costly to play because of his inability to keep out of foul trouble (3.82pg. Remember i am still talking about the 1990's only). Maybe he turned the ball over to much (2.93tpg).

Shawn Kemp was not a terrible player - as a couple of your posts suggested

never once did i say that kemp was a terrible player, i just felt that it was an absolute atrocity that somebody actually thought that Kemp was better than Malone in the 1990's. In my list of top 30 players of the 90's Kemp is 24th.

[Andrew]

we are supposed to be talking about the 1990's only andrew.
1990's mpg
Kemp - 30.79
Malone - 38.2

My mistake, I did take the career numbers accurate as of today rather than the 90s. But there is still a significant difference in playing time (7.41 mpg).

Who's fault is this that Kemp didn't get minutes. Don't u think Kemp would've got more minutes if he deserved more minutes?

That's one way of looking at it. There's always the possibility of deep benches, unrecognised talent, coaching changes and the like - Kemp started 66/81 games in his second year, but only 23/64 the following season. It's not an unheard of situation where a coach of professional sports team does not give a good player a lot of minutes, despite good performances when they get an opportunity.

You're right about fouls though - foul trouble/fouling out early cost Kemp minutes, no question. The turnovers might have also come into play, but probably not as much - power forwards aren't generally known for their ballhandling ability, and the 90s Kemp made up for it in other areas - double-digit scoring and rebounding, blocked shots, an athletic player and physical presence in the paint.

never once did i say that kemp was a terrible player, i just felt that it was an absolute atrocity that somebody actually thought that Kemp was better than Malone in the 1990's. In my list of top 30 players of the 90's Kemp is 24th.

That's true, you didn't actually say "Kemp is terrible." That was just my interpretation - which is why I endeavoured to prove he was not a terrible player. But I understand where you're coming from now.

In the other thread, I was also contending your definition of "superstar" in reference to Shawn Kemp; specifically, that the way it's defined when talking about NBA players, the term superstar tends to take popularity into account as well. For example, Elton Brand is a great player, and you could say statistically, an All-Star calibre player, but he does not add to the highlight reels as Kemp did in the 90s, nor does he have the fan following. Kemp had some very good seasons in Seattle while attracting much attention for his style of play. In that way, he's a superstar.

Not unlike a talented but unsung actor/actress, overshadowed by someone of lesser talent but greater fame. One may be more talented, but the more popular one is the star who shines, to be cliche.

[Boyk]

IMO Karl Malone is the better by far. coz of the personal awards and statistics.
Malone got 2 mvp awards has benn in 10+ all star games, and in the all nba first team most of his career.
malone is still a top 10 pf in the nba and hes near 40, kemp is what....32?? and a 10 and 8 guy.

Andrew Kemp had his chance to show how good he is to be the number 1 option in cleveland(he had a season with 22ppg i think) but after 2 seasons there, his career was a mess.

Malone better by a long shot IMO.

[Rens]

Shot attempts/game during the 90s

Kemp 8793/747 = 11.77
Malone 14,654/785 = 18.67

In this discussion, don't forget Malone was already an established star and the first option on his team in the beginning of the 90s, while Kemp was a rookie from high school with offcourt problems, so these numbers don't mean everything.
Kemp didn't score over 20ppg until the lockout season, when he was in Cleveland without any help. He was a great player, but nowhere near Karl Malone.

[scubilete]

You guys have to understand we are talking about the 90s, Kemp started in the 90s so he came as a rookie. Don't take Malone career cause I'm not having any argument there.

Michael, John, whoever you are. You need to understand few things here.

In my list of top 30 players of the 90's Kemp is 24th.

I call that ignorance. In my list of most ignorants, you are leading it.

When you are talking about a specific period of time you just don't have to look at the numbers you posted, why? cause you in the bench can have a player who average 20 points per 15 mins, and that player is much better than a player who averages 25 points per 30 minutes, that's logic.

like I already stated, Kemp did what he did in fewer minutes than Malone. You stated that if Kemp didn't get playing time was cause he didn't deserve it?, that's not the true, I don't know if you notice but seattle never had a real center while Kemp was there. Something that didn't happen with Utah who had Eaton & then Ostertag.

Kemp had to take the Centers of each team, Kemp had to face bigger guys that Malone never did for an entire game, you can ask Malone how does it feel guarding Duncan or Garnett who are bigger than he is now. Anyway, the case with the minutes of Kemp was that he would have to take the charge of guarding Centers like Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo which required extra energy and maybe some more fouls to give, a help Malone always had, and with those kind of players Kemp was blocking shots, stealing balls and getting his points.

You're right about fouls though - foul trouble/fouling out early cost Kemp minutes, no question.

Andrew, that last situation explained before would take the charge of that quote.

I'm going to explain this to you John/Michael. Malone might be one of the greatest ever, but you are taking his whole career in mind, if you take whatever he did during his career no doubt he's better. But when you go to the 90's and you watched Malone playing not number, you watched him playing and watched playing Kemp, I don't think there's anything to make you say that Malone was more complete than Kemp.

Last time you stated the teams as well, go back to your notes, I see there you put Seattle disqualified Utah few times, so Kemp has a better head to head record? So that means Kemp is ahead.

Notice that when I say Kemp in the 90s was better than Malone, I'm not taking anything away from Malone, just for me Kemp was better during those years. You put numbers there, there are some things that numbers don't show Michael/John, the way Kemp played the game, numbers don't show that, you are coming back with this when you can't admit there are players who are better overall than those scorers you pointed out. You need to do a lot of stuff to be the best, that's not Malone style or at least he did good but not better than Kemp during the 90s. Why do I consider Pippen better than Dominique during the 90s as well, cause the same situation, Pippen was better in all the aspects, if you score 30 points and don't help on defense, you're just a scorer not a complete player. Pippen didn't need to score 30 every night to show he was the best out there in the 90s.

I'm not a Bulls fan but I do like to give credits to those who deserve it, when you have a guy like MJ shooting like he did and still you can score 18-20, get 7 rebs, give 5 assists, steal 2-3 balls, block 1-2 shots, it shows me you were everywhere and it shows me how complete you are. Kemp like Pippen was everywhere, only their positions were different, something you don't want to understand, when you see a PF, running like a SF, stealing balls, blocking shots, rebounding, scoring, what the hell, that's Kevin Garnett (you didn't see Malone doing all that during the 90s, you saw Shawn Kemp).

You don't have to argue that Kevin Garnett is already one of the greatest, and if he doesn't get his MVP in his career, it's not his fault. But just cause they don't get an MVP award means they are less or worse. You get an MVP for the performance of your team and yours individually in that specific year, it's a combination, plus many years the league decides not to give it twice to the same player and give it to someone who might deserve it equally. I'm not saying Kemp deserved any MVP but he was a complete player during the 90s just like Pippen, Pippen never got an MVP, however that doesn't make him less than a Charles Barkley who got it and never got a ring.

Karl Malone is one of the greatest but notice that even you take the numbers of Malone there, you didn't put the minutes played, the shot attempts, and obviously looks to me you are still the same since you can't admit a player who scores a bunch and get 10 rebs is worse than one who scores 20, gets 10 rebs, steal 2, block 2, facing Centers in less minutes.

I hope you understand that cause it's really difficult to explain things when ignorance is part of the argument. You can't argue how complete those players were in that era, players who did a little more of everything, not just scoring. People appreciate & give credits for that, that's why Pippen is part of the 50 Greatest. Notice that Pippen did nothing in the 80s, something that has a lot to do with Malone, all Pippen did was in the 90s.

If you want to argue about a specific period of time, you must forget the performance of other years and don't bring up the numbers that are convenient for you only, last time I posted numbers overall, that's how you should do it, bring minutes per game, bring rebs per mins, bring blocks & points per minutes, bring steals per minutes, bring field goal & free throws percentage, bring all you can because looks to me you didn't watch Kemp playing and that will be the only way you will admit how great Kemp was in the 90s.

Utah – 55-27 (lose to Phoenix in first round)

Gee, how the hell couldn't Utah get to the 2nd round that year?

[Andrew]

Andrew Kemp had his chance to show how good he is to be the number 1 option in cleveland(he had a season with 22ppg i think) but after 2 seasons there, his career was a mess.

Malone better by a long shot IMO.

I don't disagree. As I said, even though Shawn Kemp is one of my all-time favourites and Karl Malone is not, the Mailman was/still is the better of the two in most areas (and thus overall). My point was always that the Kemp of the 90s was still a good player - I might be so bold as to say definitely among the top 10 at his position in the 90s by the time it was all said and done.

He was a great player, but nowhere near Karl Malone.

There you go. What I tried to say, but in a shorter and less boring manner than my post.

Andrew, that last situation explained before would take the charge of that quote.

I know, but as far as foul trouble contributing to fewer minutes, I believe it's an accurate assessment. Of course, Kemp still put up double-digit scoring and rebounding and other noteworthy numbers in that reduced court time.

[John Mullins]

You guys have to understand we are talking about the 90s, Kemp started in the 90s so he came as a rookie

This has no relevance what so ever. The argument is Karl Malone vs Shawn Kemp in the 90’s.

Don't take Malone career cause I'm not having any argument there

Nobody is talking about anybody’s career. The argument is Karl Malone vs Shawn Kemp in the 90’s

I call that ignorance

I call it an opinion

cause you in the bench can have a player who average 20 points per 15 mins, and that player is much better than a player who averages 25 points per 30 minutes, that's logic

First, you wouldn’t be playing a guy from the bench if he was that much of a prolific scorer.
Second, The argument is Karl Malone vs Shawn Kemp in the 90’s, neither player scored 20 in 15 or 25 in 30 for that matter.

You stated that if Kemp didn't get playing time was cause he didn't deserve it?, that's not the true

THEN WHY DIDN’T HE GET MORE COURT TIME

I don't know if you notice but seattle never had a real center while Kemp was there. Something that didn't happen with Utah who had Eaton & then Ostertag

So what exactly is a true center

you can ask Malone how does it feel guarding Duncan or Garnett

aight, I’ll go ask him

but you are taking his whole career in mind

Actually I’m only talking about the 90’s. Remember the topic?

I see there you put Seattle disqualified Utah few times, so Kemp has a better head to head record? So that means Kemp is ahead.

Yes Seattle beat Utah in the playoffs 2 times, Utah beat Seattle 1 time. Other times Seattle was busy getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first round by no.8 seeds so there was no chance of a Utah/Seattle series.

Why do I consider Pippen better than Dominique during the 90s as well, cause the same situation, Pippen was better in all the aspects

Pippen was better in all aspects? Well he definitely wasn’t better scoring the basketball.

if you score 30 points and don't help on defense, you're just a scorer not a complete player

Dominique didn’t help in defence? What was he leaving his man to go sign autographs in the front row or something?

If you want to argue about a specific period of time, you must forget the performance of other years

Tell me when did I bring up the 80’s or the 00’s.

bring minutes per game, bring rebs per mins, bring blocks & points per minutes, bring steals per minutes, bring field goal & free throws percentage

I don’t judge players on what would happen if they got all these minutes. I judge them on the minutes they actually get. No point saying he would’ve got this if he got this amount of minutes.

Gee, how the hell couldn't Utah get to the 2nd round that year?

At least they were playing a worthy opponent in a 54 win team like Phoenix which had 2 superstars in Tom Chambers and Kevin Johnson, Phoenix also had a very strong supporting cast in Jeff Hornacek, Eddie Johnson, Mark West, and Dan Majerle. And arguing that Utah couldn’t get out of the first round that year does nothing for your argument for Shawn Kemp and the Sonics who as we all know lost to denver in the first round of the 1994 playoffs

[Bill Russell]

I did vote for Malone. Far superior player IMHO.

[Showtime]

What would you rather be called, the Reignman or the Mailman.....nuff said

[Boyk]

Andrew Kemp had his chance to show how good he is to be the number 1 option in cleveland(he had a season with 22ppg i think) but after 2 seasons there, his career was a mess.

Malone better by a long shot IMO.

I don't disagree. As I said, even though Shawn Kemp is one of my all-time favourites and Karl Malone is not, the Mailman was/still is the better of the two in most areas (and thus overall). My point was always that the Kemp of the 90s was still a good player - I might be so bold as to say definitely among the top 10 at his position in the 90s by the time it was all said and done.

Kemp was easily a top 10 player at his position in the 90's, and when you think about it, they've had similar careers(well in kemps early years anyway). What I mean by this is that Malone is part of one of the best duos ever with stockalone, and Kemp was with Payton which was a great duo, but both players never got the championship ring they probably deserved coz of one name........Jordan.

Personally i think if Kemp had stayed in Seattle, he would of been one of the top players currently, but he didnt(why did he leave them anyway??)

the only place i can see kemp better than malone was his athleticism.

[scubilete]

Anyway, I should state that you once again are basically out of context. As far I remember, you said Dominique, Malone, L. Johnson, Vin Baker, D. Coleman. I would like to ask you to bring up ur top 30 players list from the 90's, not to bring up who is better Malone or Kemp cause that was not the subject in the other thread.

You stated very well Kemp was not the main player in Seattle, that's one. You stated Kemp was worse than L. Johnson, D. Coleman, Vin Baker, that's two. You came back with your comments of having an orgy sucking my cock, that's 3, in fact you came with comments like that repeatly which makes me believe you are already into that. So I don't know what makes you come back here to try to change the argument/subject when you don't bring the facts of the other discussion. Come and post your list of forwards on top of Kemp of the 90s like you did last time, make a poll and we will see what place is Kemp around those players you choose.

[John Mullins]

why did he leave them anyway??

something along the lines of jim mcilvaine getting more money than him

I would like to ask you to bring up ur top 30 players list from the 90's

ok
1. M.Jordan
2. H.Olajuwon
3. D.Robinson
4. S.O'Neal
5. K.Malone
6. P.Ewing
7. C.Barkley
8. D.Wilkins
9. C.Webber
10. C.Drexler
11. S.Pippen
12. G.Hill
13. T.Hardaway
14. C.Mullin
15. A.Mourning
16. D.Coleman
17. K.Johnson
18. B.Daugherty
19. G.Payton
20. J.Stockton
21. L.Johnson
22. V.Baker
23. K.Willis
24. S.Kemp
25. M.Richmond
26. R.Strickland
27. T.Gugliotta
28. A.Hardaway
29. L.Nance
30. D.Manning

You came back with your comments of having an orgy sucking my cock

when did i say this

Come and post your list of forwards on top of Kemp of the 90s like you did last time, make a poll and we will see what place is Kemp around those players you choose.

i just found it absolutley absurd that some sane individual such as urself (although i am now questioning that theory with the likes of that comment about an orgy) had this dilusion that Kemp was somehow better than Malone in the 90's, and wondered if i was the only one that found it amazing that somebody that who's supposed to know NBA thought this.

[Boyk]

something along the lines of jim mcilvaine getting more money than him

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

very funny, i cant belive that!
where is that fool now anywayz??
last i saw him was the Nets.

[scubilete]

had this dilusion that Kemp was somehow better than Malone in the 90's

You opened this thread and stated that I said that Kemp was better than Malone, then I went back there & found out you are just talking trash again.

Obviously Michael, you haven't changed a little. You can look thru the whole thread and show me where did I say Kemp was better than Malone, something you made people believe with your idiot comments. I replied but now I just wondered the idiot is you.

You are making yourself more stupid everytime you come here. You make a thread and stated that scubilete thinks Kemp is better than Malone when I said clearly Kemp was more complete, however it is something you like to do as I saw you quoted that Clinton said something when he didn't say anything, so that makes me believe you have problems with your personality.

when did i say this

Since you are obviously the same one who kept coming to the site posting those dirty things, I don't think I have to repeat them or quote them to show you what I'm talking about.

2nd, I obviously and clearly asked you to bring those and make the poll with the question where would the guys place Kemp among those players, especially if you just take the Forwards cause you stated already Mitch Richmond was a shit as well, that will work the way it's supposed. Since you created a thread talking trash, saying that I said anything about Malone when I clearly stated Malone was not in his best days during the 90s, I believe you are able to do that, unless it takes you 2 months to compile information like you did this time, I'll be waiting.

no i'm trying to say is that in the 90's, seattle wasn't kemp's team when you stated that "Seattle was all Kemp when he was playing there"

That was the point of the discussion. Then you came with the comment that those players are better than Kemp, when most of them are obviously not, however, I do agree everyone has different opinions but your point of trying to make yourself look good is vanished since all you are doing is quoting trash that nobody has said before and that's not the way you quote people comments, you should try to say the truth once in your life, maybe your brain will start working after that.

[Andrew]

where is that fool now anywayz??
last i saw him was the Nets.

He more or less retired, citing a loss of interest in basketball as the reason. His loss of interest was the Nets' gain.

[John Mullins]

You can look thru the whole thread and show me where did I say Kemp was better than Malone, something you made people believe with your idiot comments

had their best times in the 80's so if you take the performance of the 90's, Kemp would be lightly better than those

Malone scoring has always being good but yet the fact of being old would make you say that he was not in his best to place him over Kemp why?, cause Karl Malone was needing 38 mins to get 10 rebs while Kemp would just need 33 mins, plus Kemp was good overall, in block shots and not bad scoring. Wilkins would be in the same situation of being too old to be recognized that the 90's were his best years. Same situation for Barkley who in general didn't have a top performance with Houston

When I said the only one that is hard to put him over is Pippen. Cause Pippen mostly did the same thing, he dominated every area of the game in the 90s

Obviously, scubilete, you are saying that Kemp was better than Malone in the 90’s even although you are mentally incapable to recognise such a thing.

I don't think I have to repeat them or quote them to show you what I'm talking about

I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I never did mention sucking you’re dick or anything about an orgy, you sick freak.

Since you created a thread talking trash

Who the fucks talking trash, you nobody

idiot

mommyyyyyyyyy (andrew) scubiloser is saying mean things to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Andrew]

Knock it off. I've warned you several times about attacking other posters. And I can find a few examples of what Scub is talking about as well. Don't turn this thread into one similar to the last one.

[John Mullins]

i don't believe this.....this topic wasn't even meant for scubilete's viewing as i said in the original post 'althought scubilete has expressed his opinion' because i knew he would come here running his mouth about nothing in particular and therefor cause this topic to be turned into a flame war

[Andrew]

Scubilete is allowed to view and contribute to any discussion that he wishes. The same goes for anyone. As long as they stick to the discussion and don't break any rules, they can read any topic they wish, and post in any topic they wish. Scubilete is not "running his mouth about nothing in particular", he's presenting his side of the discussion - welcome and valid, since the original discussion in the other topic was about Vin Baker, and your comments sent it off-topic.

Scubilete has not turned this into a flame war. Please stop insinuating that you are being victimised here, cease the flame war and follow the rules of the forum. That's a fair request.

[scubilete]

..., but we can't deny that Shawn Kemp was also one of the greatest player of the 90's. I think that Karl Malone can be considered as the all time best PF of the NBA History

That is the point, everyone who considers Malone as one of the greatest is because his whole career not cause he got 2 MVPs or just the 90s, Malone was going to be one of the best ever without winning MVPs or any rings.

Obviously, scubilete, you are saying that Kemp was better than Malone in the 90’s even although you are mentally incapable to recognise such a thing.

No, that statement (I hope you can understand that) means Kemp dominated the game all around better than those who could just score and rebound, that's why I said Kemp & Pippen were more complete.

i don't believe this.....this topic wasn't even meant for scubilete's viewing

Andrew took care of that already.

because i knew he would come here running his mouth

Of course you knew I was going to post here if you would start with your lies again. Making people believe I made an atrosity to your beliefs.

[Boyk]

where is that fool now anywayz??
last i saw him was the Nets.

He more or less retired, citing a loss of interest in basketball as the reason. His loss of interest was the Nets' gain.

lol good!
im sure he was the guy i saw airball a shot from 5 feet away, and was practically wide-open!

[mp3]

lol good!
im sure he was the guy i saw airball a shot from 5 feet away, and was practically wide-open!

i can believe that!!