Huge Trade this afternoon between the Mavs and Warriors

[DipSetVC]

Has Jamison been formally introduced in Dallas yet?

[Se7en>>Dimension]

I think this is the first proactive move towards the future the Warriors have made in a long time. They were in the worst, dumbest position possible: a bad team and over the cap.

That means bad with no room to get better. Losing Arenas even took away that chance to get better. As things stood, the Warriors were looking at being bad, with Jamison, for years. The Warriors were going to be horrible without Arenas.

This allows them to get rid of two huge contracts, one of them a player who barely even plays in Fortson. Fortson's numbers are pretty good from a couple seasons ago, except for the fact that he thought he was a go-to guy and kept killing the team's offense. He had a terrible attitude and wouldn't play hard if he didn't start and get shots.

Jirii Welsch is a nice name from the 2002 draft, but he was abysmal last year. He had no shooting ability and looked lost. Perhaps he'll prove the Warriors wrong, but he's certainly not painful for them to give up.

Van Exel will probably keep them at least as good this year as they would have been had they not made the trade and the trade will greatly improve their future, by giving them cap room and the ability to make moves to better themselves. Van Exel will likely make the Warriors as competitive (which is to say, not much) as they would have been with Jamison.

Of course, I'm generally no fan of St. Jean, so he'll likely screw up that room to maneuver....but, pretending he's a competent GM, this move is great for the future. Layden only dreams he could free up space like that.

Incidentally, you want to see a team that hangs on to its overpaid good players and never has room to maneuver, watch the Knicks. See if you'd rather root for that hopeless mess for the next several years.

I don't think either team drastically changed in strength. Yes, the Mavericks added a good inside player (but a 'tweener, still leaving them lacking in toughness a bit) but they lost Van Excel. Van Excel was nearly as valuable as Nash in the playoffs last year and possibly more valuable than Finley in the playoffs. The Mavericks lost a very good player in NVE.

NVE vs. Jamison? Pretty even in talent. The Mavericks also took on a bad contract in Fortson and a disappointing prospect in Welsch.

So, unless Fortson turns things around entirely with his attitude and becomes productive in a way that doesn't hurt his team's play (team-oriented production, rather than selfish production), I don't think the Mavericks really improved.

The Warriors didn't improve their roster, either, but did improve their future outlook a bit.

this is a horrible trade for the warriors

they won't make the playoffs for another 10 years at the least...they've completely killed their future. Ain't no freeagents going to go there knowing how they treat players. They either dannyfortson/marc jackon you, or they don't pay you and let you go/trade you

They were going places...now they're stuck in the shitter

Yeah evan eschmeyer, avery johnson and popeye jones are great acquicisions...please

they could have made a trade EARLIER so that they could have signed arenas back...now they have an even worse defensive team and will be forced to start mike dunleavy

gah

Wrong, all wrong. This was FOR the future. What you guys fail to notice is the salary cap. This was to get rid of two HUGE contracts in Fortson and Jamison. Van Exel will most likely option out of his contract this year but that'll just clear up MORE space for the Warriors. Look at Antawn's salary here:
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm

And as for your comment about doing this earlier, it would of made no difference, the Warriors will start saving money NEXT season, not this season. Gilbert wasn't going to come back even if they did this earlier this off-season.

I guess Arenas' departure has forced them to scrap their previous rebuilding plan and start again. I can't see how trading away Jamison helps them, unless they're planning on making a run at KG next year.

The second they lost Arenas, they were back IN rebuilding mode.

i mean, what's the point for golden state ?
to make dunleavy a starter ? to strength a backcourt ?
i think they should kept jamison.
he's a franchise player.
but, good trade for dallas. very good trade.

Jamison is a franchise player? Ha. That's funny.

Dallas just got even BETTER! GS got totally arse-raped, van exel doesn't match up to jamison.

Poor Tales & other GS fans.

Van Exel is just as good as Jamison, they just play different positions; his stats show it.

I DOUBT ANYONE WILL READ THIS SO WHATEVER.

[Bill Russell]

I did read it... so...?

Yeah the Warriors got a little cap flexibility... But Evan Eschmeyer has like 4 or 5 more years of a overpaid contract to go... And GS just did give too much talent... They could have gotten at least LaFrentz, Najera, dunno...

still

[magius]

Van Exel is just as good as Jamison, they just play different positions; his stats show it.

true, van exel is just as good as jamison, and true they do just play different positions, but dallas was more in need of a position that van exel wasnt and jamison is: a small forward (which finley isnt). van exel is old, jamison is young. van exel is small, jamison is big. therefore, trade rape. you dont trade tim duncan for present day karl malone, you dont trade jamison for van exel. i see your point on the salary argument though, but seems to me the reason golden state has sucked for so long is because theyve always given up too fast and dumped their assets to "rebuild", maybe the reason they're always rebuilding is because they're at the same time constantly tearing their foundation down.

and i agree, dampier would've been more of an asset than fortson, but i think the only way golden state woud initiate a trade was if fortson and his contract was included