All Defensive Teams announced

[Brave Sir Rubin]

2002-03 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM

Position Player, Team Points 1st Votes
Forward Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 47 (22)

Forward Tim Duncan, San Antonio 44 (18)

Center Ben Wallace, Detroit 55 (27)

Guard Doug Christie, Sacramento 38 (14)

Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 35 (15)



2002-03 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM

Position Player, Team Points 1st Votes
Forward Ron Artest, Indiana 27 (9)

Forward Bruce Bowen, San Antonio 24 (8)

Center Shaquille O'Neal. L.A. Lakers 12 (1)

Guard Jason Kidd, New Jersey 31 (10)

Guard Eric Snow, Philadelphia 16 (3)



Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses):
Gary Payton, Milwaukee, 15 (4); P.J. Brown, New Orleans, 11 (1); Allen Iverson, Philadelphia, 10 (3); Scottie Pippen, Portland, 8 (2); Theo Ratliff, Atlanta, 8 (1); Andrei Kirilenko, Utah, 6 (1); Brian Grant, Miami, 6 (1); Clifford Robinson, Detroit, 6; Jermaine O’Neal, Indiana, 5; Kenyon Martin, New Jersey, 5 (1); Shawn Marion, Phoenix, 4 (1); Kurt Thomas, New York, 3 (1); Michael Jordan, Washington, 3 (1); Matt Harpring, Utah, 2 (1); Tracy McGrady, Orlando, 2; Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix, 1; Bobby Jackson, Sacramento, 1; Chauncey Billups, Detroit, 1; Chris Webber, Sacramento, 1; Dale Davis, Portland, 1; David Robinson, San Antonio, 1; Desmond Mason, Milwaukee, 1; Jamaal Magloire, New Orleans, 1; Keon Clark, Sacramento, 1; Nene Hilario, Denver, 1; Rasheed Wallace, Portland, 1; Yao Ming, Houston, 1.

Kobe over Artest? lol...what shit did Bill Walton give the other voters to snoke before the voting?!
WTF is Bowen doing there?

where's is Scottie "I take charges" PIppen?

what is Shaq soing there?

what is Duncan doing ontop of Ratliff and Jermaine?


silly judges...

[GloveGuy]

I must say, I really wanted GP to set the record, and I'm really dissappointed. Stats aren't everything. Just because GP didn't get a lot of steals, doesn't mean he's still one of the best in the L.

Kobe over Artest is just disgraceful.

[air gordon]

yes i agree bryant being picked over artest is inaccurate to say the least. i would hope that artest's anger management problems did not play a factor in the voting. if i'm not mistaken, artest did receive more votes then bryant in the voting for defensive player of year.

i also question christie making the 1st team. i don't question that he's a good defender but i don't think he's 1st team worthy. he does gamble a lot for steals and i think his defense slipped this year

and i do agree that getting a lot steals doesn't make a player great on the defensive end.

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

What the heck is all this voting based on???

If you want to talk about the numbers.......

Doug Christie 281 Defensive Rebounds 180 Steals and 37 Blocked Shots.
Eric Snow 230 Defensive Rebounds, 133 Steals and 11 Blocked Shots.
(I know you understand that I am a Paul Pierce fan, but..)'
Paul Pierce 472 Defensive Rebounds, 139 Steals and 62 Blocked Shots.

No one needs to explain to me about guarding people and reputation.
They contradict the entire the philosophy of giving the players with the defense that can't be measured with numbers away when they take Duncan over Ratliff or Jermaine O'Neal or Kobe over Gary Payton or Jason Kidd.

Ron Artest is clearly known as the best defender who's name is not Ben Wallace. Clearly the best perimeter defender.

Shaquille O'Neal did have good numbers in 67 games (483 DReb 38 Stl 196 Blk.)

Kobe had this: 458 DReb, 181 Steals, 67 Blocks.

If you go by the numbers it's one thing, but if you go by known defensive prowess that's another thing.

I don't think Eric Snow is best defensive player in his own backcourt. (Allen Iverson 278 DReb, 225 Steals, 13 Blocks)

No one will believe I bring him up, put his numbers to the test.

Dirk Nowitzki 710 DReb 111 Steals 82 Blocks.
Jermaine O'Neal 594 Dreb 66 Steals 178 Blocks.
Theo Ratliff 453 DReb 56 Steals 262 Blocks.
also
Shawn Marion was overlooked and should have chosen over the likes of Bruce Bowen (didn't Kobe just score 37 Points on this guy?)
Marion 574 DReb 185 Steals 95 Blocks
Bowen 180 DReb 66 Steals 42 Blocks

The numbers for Bruce Bowen make it easy to see that he is just plain overrated as a defender. I am more impressed with his three-ball than his defense.

If you went by the total production numbers: (DReb + Steals + Blocks)
F- Kevin Garnett 1100
F- Tim Duncan 1076
C- Ben Wallace 1167
G- Kobe Bryant 706
G- Paul Pierce 673
Best Small Forward: Shawn Marion 854
Best Point Guard: Jason Kidd 598

The most overrated players according to the votes, in my opinion are:
1. Doug Christie
2. Bruce Bowen
3. Eric Snow

Paul Pierce did not get one single vote, yet according to the production he was second only to Kobe Bryant.
How can they be so sure of Kobe and overlook Pierce.
I know about what people think and it's just ignorant.

I have never been happy with the media thinking they know something about basketball, when they have never played nor even bother to look at the stats.

[Andrew]

Not bad selections, not good ones either. I agree with most of the sentiments already posted.

[GloveGuy]

Both GP and Pierce should of been on first team. It's not about numbers. It's about reputation. Guys like Gary Payton, Ron Artest, Michael Jordan(even at fourty), they make guys scared. No one wants to be guarded by them. They have the most respect out of all the guards in the league when it comes to defense. That's what the selections should be about. If you want a stop, then you call on them, because they're the most likely to give a stop to you. Gary Payton had more first team votes than Snow which is a bit odd.

[Boyk]

artest is a forward thats why kobe is in the 1st team
and why would they vote for that psycho anyway???

and kobe is one of the best defenders in the game so i think the teams are fine
though i woulda definatley of had pierce or Payton in front of snow

[Rens]

We all know stats are the best way to measure someone's defense and not the way they shut down their opponents, right? Bruce Bowne deserves being there PP.. just because your idol didn't get a vote doesn't mean others suck.

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

I have heard so much about Bruce Bowen's defense being so good, but I have never seen it, I have watched every game the Spurs played in the playoffs this year and all the regular games on TNT, ESPN and ABC and never saw him play this great defense. Now Ron Artest I have seen doing some great defensive work, Jason Kidd I have seen that, Paul Pierce may be my favorite player, but he has the numbers whereas Bowen has some sort of rep. Doug Christie by the way looked great the other night when Van Exel, Nash, Finley and the Mavs torched the Kings by 25. By the way Bruce Bowen used to played for the Celtics.

[GloveGuy]

We all know stats are the best way to measure someone's defense and not the way they shut down their opponents, right? Bruce Bowne deserves being there PP.. just because your idol didn't get a vote doesn't mean others suck.

It's more than that. I'd like you to find some evidence where I said that all the others suck. I just feel that defense isn't judged on stats. Gary Payton can contain any point guard in the league than any of the other point guards. Ron Artest can contain the best swingmen in the league, better than anyone. And Michael Jordan is just Michael Jordan, probably the smartest defender in the league.

[air gordon]

artest is a forward thats why kobe is in the 1st team

add this to the long list of laddasisms. last time i checked, artest is a guard/forward. even nba.com, the official site of the nba, lists him as "G-F".

and why would they vote for that psycho anyway???

um maybe because the artest is one of the better defenders, if not the best, in the league???? Artest received more votes in the voting for defensive player of year (finished 2nd) then big country bryant, mr. basketball

[airassault]

Maybe they wanna put Artest in the All Offensive First Team instead. (Offensive to the league, that is) humph..

[Andrew]

and why would they vote for that psycho anyway???

Same reason they'd vote for Dennis Rodman back in the day. Controversy aside, excellent defender, and not just in the amount of rebounds.

[Colin]

and why would they vote for that psycho anyway???

Same reason they'd vote for Dennis Rodman back in the day. Controversy aside, excellent defender, and not just in the amount of rebounds.

He really d'ed malone up in the finals a few years back. Bad Boys 4 Eva!!!Even though I don't know much about them as they won their championships when I was 6 months and 1 and a half years old respectively.

[Boyk]

add this to the long list of laddasisms. last time i checked, artest is a guard/forward. even nba.com, the official site of the nba, lists him as "G-F".

last time i checked the Pacers lined up with
G Tinsley
G Miller
F Artest
F Oneal
C Miller

so therefore, Artest is a SF, hes cna play guard, but he plays majority at sf.
Artest is a good defender but he woulda lost votes coz he is siad to be a sf, and the wat the voting goes, Duncan and Garnett and Bowen woulda taken votes away
if ya get my drift

[GloveGuy]

That's stupid. If the opposing team has an all-star guard then he'd guard that person(Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGardy). He would guard Eric Williams, Rick Fox, or Gordon Giricek.

[air gordon]

That's stupid. If the opposing team has an all-star guard then he'd guard that person(Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGardy). He would guard Eric Williams, Rick Fox, or Gordon Giricek

agreed, gloveguy

Artest is a good defender but he woulda lost votes coz he is siad to be a sf, and the wat the voting goes, Duncan and Garnett and Bowen woulda taken votes away
if ya get my drift

call it quits, buddy, if you're suggesting that duncan is taking away votes from Artest because he is a SF as well

[Boyk]

hes starts at small forward, so therefore hes voted as a forward.

and about the voting, yes tim duncan would take votes from him......why you ask???
coz they vote by forward, not by power forward or small forward, just as forward.
y do you think they have 2 SF's in the 2nd team

[Matt]

yeah certainly some weird choices

good thing Snow made it........that guys D is not measured by #'s and glad ppl recognised that, he's an excellent defender

[shadowgrin]

I don't think Eric Snow is best defensive player in his own backcourt.

He is the best defender in 76ers backcourt. He defends most of those SG's that AI is supposed to defend...
Artest not being on the 1st team is a joke...putting Christie over Artest? sheesh...