How many game winning shots has Jordan missed?

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How many game winning shots has Jordan missed?

Postby Full Surface on Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:50 pm

I'm not trying to put the man down, we all know he's the best :) but out of curiousity, how many "game winning" shots has MJ missed this season? Let's try to compile a list. I only remember these:

Wizards vs 76ers
There was less than 10 seconds on the clock. The Wizards inbounded the ball and MJ had possession. He went in to try to make a layup and get fouled at the same time but his shot was rejected by Keith Van Horn (I believe). The Wizards lost by 1 point.

Wizards vs Mavericks
This was the last game of the season agains the Mavs. MJ was definitely getting hot at the 4th quarter as the Wizards were keeping the score even. Less than 8 seconds left and MJ missed a fadeaway as the game went into overtime and the Mavs dominated.

Wizards vs Hawks
The Wizards had the last possession of the game. It was around 22 seconds left. They set up screens and MJ had the ball as he held it for more than 10 seconds. He started to attack the basket and attempted to do a fadeaway. Almost went in :( However, Atlanta got a lucky shot with 0.6 seconds left.
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Postby VCFAN on Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:02 am

Michael Jordan's clutch play has depreciated since his return. He has made a few but missed a lot more.
I don't think he ever was a reall y good game winning shooter like Reggie Miller because he has upset tons of people in his career.
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Postby GloveGuy on Sun Apr 06, 2003 6:46 am

Many of the one's he's missed aren't to his blame. Against the Hawks, if it weren't for him, the shot he took wouldn't mean anything. His team should be thankful for him, bringing them back in fourth quarters. He's defnintely never upset his teammates for missing since he's the one who brought them back.(Hawks, Mavericks).

I don't think it matters how many shots he's missed. He's made many so many. And it can't be to his blame either. He's still clutch and he's still the biggest fourth quarter player in the league. That's what being clutch is all about. Even if you can't hit that shot at the end.
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Postby Colin on Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:05 am

VCFAN wrote:Michael Jordan's clutch play has depreciated since his return. He has made a few but missed a lot more.
I don't think he ever was a reall y good game winning shooter like Reggie Miller because he has upset tons of people in his career.
No kidding he's not as good now when he's 40 as 5 years ago when he was 35 in the finals. But Reggie being better. How many blunts did you smoke before posting?
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Postby Steve04 on Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:46 am

Reggie Miller was a great clutch shooter in his prime V, but Michael in his prime is a no brainer in who you want taking the shot!

As of the present time, Miller is a shell of his old self.
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Postby TheBob on Sun Apr 06, 2003 9:39 am

gloveguy wrote: Many of the one's he's missed aren't to his blame.


Why not? If he takes a shot an misses it's his fault that the shot didn't go in.

gloveguy wrote:I don't think it matters how many shots he's missed. He's made many so many.


Of course it matters how many he's missed. If he's made 35 game winners but missed 100 then he's not that clutch is he?

gloveguy wrote: he's still the biggest fourth quarter player in the league.


No he isn't...there are several players who are more effective than him in the forth quarter, like Kobe or Tmac for example.

gloveguy wrote:That's what being clutch is all about. Even if you can't hit that shot at the end.


No, being clutch IS hitting the shot at the end. Would you call a player clutch if he kept the game close but kept on missing game winners? I don't think so...
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Postby Stevan on Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:45 pm

Clutch isn't just the last 5 seconds of the game.

There were also probably more times he has had to take a tough shot at the end of games these past couple of years than say 1995 through to 1998, because the Wizards have been in that position so many more times than the Bulls, and now he's doing it at age 40. Plus it's expected which makes it more difficult. I don't think there's any shame in missing those shots. How many of you honestly have the balls to ask for the final shot even at the crappy level you play?? If you think you have the courage it takes to do that then multiply that courage by a hundred for an NBA player, and multiply that by another 100 for Michael Jordan just because of the expectations.
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Postby MVP on Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:47 pm

VCFAN wrote:I don't think he ever was a reall y good game winning shooter like Reggie Miller because he has upset tons of people in his career.


I don't that's a good assessment. Jordan has had endless game winning shots in his days. RM has had a good share of clutch shots, but MJ is the man. RM is definitely the better at clutch 3 pointers though.
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Postby GloveGuy on Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:58 pm

Why not? If he takes a shot an misses it's his fault that the shot didn't go in.

I know but no one should put the blame on Jordan for the loss. Like against the Hawks. He brought them back from double digits by making five in a row. The only other guys who played semi-well were Tyronne Lue and Kwame Brown. But MJ did everything and was defended well. He was the guy who brought them to the position where they had the opportunity to win, so why blame him for the loss?

Of course it matters how many he's missed. If he's made 35 game winners but missed 100 then he's not that clutch is he?

Yeah he is. In my opinion he's the most clutch in history. But I don't see why this topic was brought up against him.


No he isn't...there are several players who are more effective than him in the forth quarter, like Kobe or Tmac for example.

In my opinion he is. He's brought his mediocre team back against the Mavericks once. Against the Knicks. Single-handedly. Without Shaquille O'neal.

No, being clutch IS hitting the shot at the end. Would you call a player clutch if he kept the game close but kept on missing game winners? I don't think so...

Being clutch is making the shots in the game down the stretch. If he hadn't hit those five in a row in the fourth than he wouldn't even have been given the opportunity to have a shot where he could win it.
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Postby Boyk on Mon Apr 07, 2003 1:35 am

In my opinion he is. He's brought his mediocre team back against the Mavericks once. Against the Knicks. Single-handedly. Without Shaquille O'neal.


thw Wizards are not Mediocre, there one of the most talented teams, and where there playing there best, they seem unbeatable.
and he doesnt do it himself, theres other people who have to hit the shots, like Stackhouse,Lue,Hughes etc.

and what do you mean, without shaq
i think it was kobe who had the 26 in the 4th for the lakers to beat the mavs. i belieive it was kobe who hit the game winner against memphis, not shaq.
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Postby GloveGuy on Mon Apr 07, 2003 4:33 am

Michael is the only one on the Wizards playing every game like they still have a chance to be in the playoffs. Yeah the Wizards are talented and can compete with the best when they play their best but they don't know how to use all that talent on a consistent basis. They've lost to really bad teams and beat really good teams. Stackhouse is only good when he's feeling it and is too inconsistent. He also misses too many shots and takes a lot. Lue is good but he's not that good. And Hughes is injured. Maybe if you watched fourth quarters against the Mavs, Knicks, and Hawks(just to name a few), you would see that Mike single-handedly brings them back.

And Kobe does use Shaq to his benefit late in the game. Yeah, he's a great fourth quarter player. But is he doing it all by himself? No. Shaq's getting the rebounds, Shaq's still there as a decoy.
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Postby TheBob on Mon Apr 07, 2003 5:56 am

gloveguy wrote: But is he doing it all by himself? No. Shaq's getting the rebounds, Shaq's still there as a decoy.


Ya and Jordan has Stackhouse.
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Postby Colin on Mon Apr 07, 2003 6:50 am

TheBob wrote:
gloveguy wrote: But is he doing it all by himself? No. Shaq's getting the rebounds, Shaq's still there as a decoy.


Ya and Jordan has Stackhouse.
But who would you rather have, two swingmen, or a swingman and the most dominant bigman in the game?
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Postby TheBob on Mon Apr 07, 2003 7:18 am

Point taken but it's not like Jordan doesn't have any help.
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Postby GloveGuy on Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:46 am

Many games this year, he's been the only one who can get it finished.
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Postby Steve04 on Mon Apr 07, 2003 11:23 am

Gloveguy, Jordan is not getting it finished if they dont win the game.

That is not saying it is not a great effort to bring them back, but a 1pt loss is the same as a 30pt loss in that its still a loss and a failure.

As for Kobe having Shaq as a decoy, this is somewhat true but Kobe is still a better clutch shooter than MJ at this pt. and Kobe in MJ's place would have done better than the Wizards are doing now, although the Wiz's main problem is Stackhouse cannot coexist with another ball hogging star.
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Postby Boyk on Tue Apr 08, 2003 1:48 am

I belive Christian Laettner hit the go ahead shot in there win vs the Celtics, Jordan did hit a shot late in the game which helped of course.

but still, it is not Jordan all by himself.

Shaq maybe used as a decoy, but whoever is defending Kobe doesnt usuaulyl go into double Shaq, usually whoever is playing on Walker or Fox go.
so i dont belive that shaq really plays a big part in kobes clutch ability.
I mean he didnt in 2000 when kobe buried the Blazers. :D

But yer, Jordan does have great clutch ability, but he does get help from other teammates.
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Postby Big Answer on Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:11 pm

If Jordan wasn't a clutch player, would he have won his 6 titles (2 3 peats) ?
I don't think so... :roll:

Stop talkin' bout His Airness, it's a non stop subject, coz everyone has a different opinion, I mean there will always have Jordan haters & Jordan lovers, like there are Kobe lovers & Kobe haters.... :? There just great players, that's all.

I personnally love basketball, & what I like with Jordan is the charisma he has while being on the courts...And maybe other players have it....

But remember what he did for the game, & remember his age, he cannot do the things he did younger, but IMO, he's still better than many young players...
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Postby Boyk on Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:38 pm

um were talking about current jordan, not jordan when he won the 6 titles.
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