DIRK WITH 25,000 POINTS!!!!!

DIRK BECOMES THE 21ST PLAYER TO REACH THE MILESTONE!

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No one even mention it in the Random Discussion. Sad.

Who?

How many does Kobe have again? And the ring count is what?

Too bad the Mavs are going to be mediocre until Dirk retires.

Congrats to Dirk, a great milestone in a great career. It wasn't until we were discussing the top ten players of the three point era at each position during the lockout and I was looking up everyone's stats again that I realised just how good a career he's had. His performance in the 2011 Playoffs and NBA Finals aside - which obviously garnered plenty of attention - he's very quietly become one of the best we've seen at his position and we could arguably rank him somewhere in the top 50 players of all-time.

When Dirk entered the league I wasn't sure whether he'd be even as sucessful as Detlef Schrempf who made it to the finals twice.
That was the time when he was known as Irk (with no "D").
He really developed into a great overall (and at least average defensive) player. I'm not sure whether I'd compare him with Larry Bird, who should be ranked among the 25 greatest player ever, but Dirk truely belongs to the top 50.
I'd love to see him having a serious chance of chasing a second ring, but after all it seems as if the VC-plague hit anothee team.

I'm not sure whether I'd compare him with Larry Bird, who should be ranked among the 25 greatest player ever, but Dirk truely belongs to the top 50.

I don't know about that. They're in my opinion quite comparable. And in my opinion Dirk indeed is one of the greats historically. Larry was surrounded by great players as a Celtics while Dirk had pretty much the Jet Jason Terry(LoL).

And top 50? Come on. Name 3 powerforwards who were definitely better than Dork Nowhiski.

Bird's better than Dirk. Dirk IS one of the greats and has been since 2007 as I've long argued. Barkley and Malone are probably better. And then there's Duncan.

I don't like to do an all-time thing (or hard positions like you named, but it was a softball) since I prefer broad eras, but everyone I mentioned has lived in the three point era. So we're okay, I don't need to mention Pettit for example.

But as always, it depends on who my other four guys are.

Ahhh,memory of that thread, "Greatest of three point era: power forward".

Did a quick search and I noticed Dirk being the third on my list just behind Tim and Karl. And I still stand by it though I admit it's somewhat debatable between Karl, Charles, and Dirk depending on criteria.

Larry was surrounded by great players as a Celtics while Dirk had pretty much the Jet Jason Terry(LoL).

I don't know how being surrounded by other good players diminishes Larry's greatness that he produced.
Going by that logic LeBron sucks because he needed The Greatness that is Joel Anthony along with scrubs like Wade and Bosh to finally win a ring.

I know, it isn't a prettiest argument and I do think Larry was better actually, just that I don't think the gap is as large as to a point where people should be scared to just mention his name. But the point was in Dirk being the distant best player on his team that were winning a lot of games.

Dirk stinks on defense. And Charles and Karl aren't much better if they are better.

All of them did get better with age and tips and tricks and such but they were never stoppers or anything.

I think it's really hard to pick between them, as each made their own case for best player in the game at some point. But they could not sustain it and had clear flaws.

But have to pick someone, no time to think, DO IT NOW, I'm going Barkley because he was such a beast. Even if he was 6-4, it didn't really matter.

Time to think, DIrk's 7 foot frame and range is far too attractive. Especially him drunk with Steve Nash in bars.

Worst part? Head over to B-R. Try to work out the stats on this.

Pretty disgusted looking at Barkley's numbers. Agreeable.

I turn to my last option now. The ring count is what? And the ring count is what if he didn't get robbed in one of his trips? That's right.

Tim Duncan has four.
Karl Malone would have had two.

Somehow Kevin Garnett is left out of the conversation.

He plays the 5 now.

Somehow Kevin Garnett is left out of the conversation.

Definitely top five at the position in the three point era, still high on the list somewhere all-time.

KG was a hard snub in our discussion. Probably a clear injustice. But in my lame excuse, it was already a total mess even with those 3 greats.

Consider KG cut out with my "and then there's Duncan" comment. They're easily "one" and "two" of the era because of their defense, Duncan in particular. The real debate is the ordering of the next three in Malone, Barkley and Dirk. Those three are easily the three best scorers of the position. (With McHale and healthy Amare either right behind or in the mix.)

Defense? How about kiss Kobe's fine ass and ask him a question, "Does it matter"? Now this is a thread to rave about Dirk's milestone so shove your defense logics up your asses, kindly and gently.

Dirk's strength obviously was in his offensive ability. The team lived and died with the offense. And won a lot of games with that. Fudge defense, that wasn't a part of scheme now was it. If I am right, Dirk's team(in a single season) won most games out of 4pf greats, solely on offense. And stretch that further to several seasons, I'm sure the Team Dirk still don't disappoint you comparably, again solely on offense. Now this was the team where Dirk was clearly the best player with second best players in likes of Jason Terry, and young Nash whom the team did fine without. Now, let's cut to the chase and forward it to Finals seasons. Guess what. Dirk delivers again, in an impressive fucking manner. Because not only he raped in regular season but he was absolutely fantastic throughout the playoffs, showing off his big stage talent. Now, if Terry wasn't such an incompetent sidekick or the Heat didn't have freethrow machine-Shaq and greatest SG ever in Dwyane Wade... get the point? Now in his second trip to the Finals, whom did Dirk rape in order to become a champion? The greatest player in this era along with two superstars(Malone failed twice in his era, KG needed two HOFs, Barkley never got to it). You get the point again. And Dirk again clearly was so fucking clutch throughout the playoffs including the Finals.

Dirk system worked.

Hey, I remember someone that used to play in Cleveland had a similar system just like the one you posted.

But then, that fellow gave up quickly and went to FL.

benji-lite or Lamerock whoever it was, was an asset to this part of the forum, knew his shit, informative, and productive. But shadowy green-light gives me a headache.

U know wut, fuck wut i said. Even Dirk fanbois don't even realize his awesomeness nor care a lil about it. I dunno what's worse, Kobe fanbois that are delusional or Dirk clueless fanbois. LoL. Besides, defuq is a Heat fan doing here. Ma bad.

Defense? How about kiss Kobe's fine ass and ask him a question, "Does it matter"? Now this is a thread to rave about Dirk's milestone so shove your defense logics up your asses, kindly and gently.

Dirk's strength obviously was in his offensive ability. The team lived and died with the offense. And won a lot of games with that. Fudge defense, that wasn't a part of scheme now was it. If I am right, Dirk's team(in a single season) won most games out of 4pf greats, solely on offense. And stretch that further to several seasons, I'm sure the Team Dirk still don't disappoint you comparably, again solely on offense. Now this was the team where Dirk was clearly the best player with second best players in likes of Jason Terry, and young Nash whom the team did fine without. Now, let's cut to the chase and forward it to Finals seasons. Guess what. Dirk delivers again, in an impressive fucking manner. Because not only he raped in regular season but he was absolutely fantastic throughout the playoffs, showing off his big stage talent. Now, if Terry wasn't such an incompetent sidekick or the Heat didn't have freethrow machine-Shaq and greatest SG ever in Dwyane Wade... get the point? Now in his second trip to the Finals, whom did Dirk rape in order to become a champion? The greatest player in this era along with two superstars(Malone failed twice in his era, KG needed two HOFs, Barkley never got to it). You get the point again. And Dirk again clearly was so fucking clutch throughout the playoffs including the Finals.

Dirk system worked.

I like how you failed to mention that in both cases where Dirk went to the Finals the Mavs had a defense in place with their system.

The Mavs didn't have to do anything in the 2011 Finals. LeBron just stood in the corner and choked. The Mavs didn't even have to guard him.

Stop being Skip Bayless about it, benji. You dun see me going all Cuban about it.