top 20 PG's all time, because i am bored

[kingjames23]

the same as my shooting guard list, for description see here....
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=71658

1 e.johnson (19.5 PPG + 7.2 RPG + 11.2 APG + 1.9 STL + 0.4 BLK) = 40.2 +(MVP 3 FMVP 3 TITLES 5) = 51.2
2 robertson 43.9 +(MVP 1 + TITLES 1) 45.9 take away awards and he tops magic! wow.
3 cousey 31.1 (inc) +(MVP 1 + TITLES 6) = 38.1
4 thomas 34.3 +(FMVP 1 + TITLES 2)= 37.3
5 paul 36.8 what an awesome pace this kid is on.
6 frazier 33 +(TITLES 2) = 35
7 arenas 34.4 and he may stay here, pending the outcome of his case of stupidity... sigh.
8 k. johnson 32
9 kidd 31.7
10 bing 31.6
11 payton 28.9 +(TITLES 1 + DMVP 1) 30.9
12 hardaway 30.9
13 archibald 29.7+(TITLES 1) 30.7
14 parker 26.5 (FMVP 1 + TITLES 3) = 30.5
15 wilkens 29.4
16 stockton 28.7 i couldnt believe it either... but no rebounds, no blocks, low scorer....
17 nash 26.7+(MVP 2) = 28.7 or this.... christ, the low scoring point guards getting shafted.
18 billups 24.9 +(FMVP 1 + TITLES 1) = 26.9
19 price 25.8
20 cheeks 23 +(TITLES 1) 24


so yeah, its a bit flawed

see if you cant knock anyone off this list using the formula i half ass came up with!

next up small forwards

who will top it? Bird? Bron? Pipp? hmmmm.....

[koberulz]

A bit flawed? It's so flawed it's basically completely pointless.

[benji]

Player	PER	WS	Playoff PER	Playoff WS	Combined PER	MJ%	MJ%*
1. Magic Johnson	24.1	155.8	22.9	32.6	23.9	100	100
2. Chris Paul	25.9	62.3	26.4	2.8	25.9	116	125
3. Oscar Robertson	23.2	189.2	21.0	13.6	23.0	89	86
4. John Stockton	21.8	207.7	19.8	21.4	21.6	83	75
5. Kevin Johnson	20.7	92.8	19.1	9.4	20.5	66	56
6. Chauncey Billups	19.1	106.1	19.5	20.3	19.2	67	53
7. Steve Nash	20.2	107.4	19.5	9.9	20.1	63	53
8. Walt Frazier	19.1	113.5	19.8	15.9	19.2	64	52
9. Sidney Moncrief	18.7	90.3	15.5	7.9	18.3	62	47
10. Mark Price	19.6	71.1	17.2	3.6	19.4	57	46
11. Gilbert Arenas	20.6	50.4	19.0	1.9	20.5	54	46
12. Terrell Brandon	19.7	65.9	17.3	1.8	19.6	53	44
13. Bob Cousy	19.7	87.2	17.4	9.4	19.4	50	40
14. Larry Jones	18.9	56.4	17.7	3.4	18.8	51	40
15. Sam Cassell	19.5	87.5	15.9	6.9	19.1	49	39
16. Gary Payton	18.9	145.5	15.4	11.1	18.5	50	39
17. Deron Williams	18.3	35.1	19.9	3.9	18.5	48	37
18. Gus Williams	18.5	67.9	20.4	10.1	18.7	46	36
19. Jason Kidd	18.5	119.6	18.1	11.6	18.5	46	36
20. Terry Porter	17.2	110.4	17.0	11.6	17.2	48	35

[kingjames23]

hmmm... maybe i will stop here and rethink this formula for a little while. perhaps working minutes per game into the mix... deduct turnovers and fouls as well?

benji where are you getting these ratings by the way? the MJ% ?

[benji]

hmmm... maybe i will stop here and rethink this formula for a little while. perhaps working minutes per game into the mix... deduct turnovers and fouls as well?

You're essentially in the foreplay stage of conceiving PER.

benji where are you getting these ratings by the way? the MJ% ?

basketball-reference.com then setting the composite values against Magic's.

[Rudy]

Player	PER	WS	Playoff PER	Playoff WS	Combined PER	MJ%	MJ%*
1. Magic Johnson	24.1	155.8	22.9	32.6	23.9	100	100
2. Chris Paul	25.9	62.3	26.4	2.8	25.9	116	125
3. Oscar Robertson	23.2	189.2	21.0	13.6	23.0	89	86
4. John Stockton	21.8	207.7	19.8	21.4	21.6	83	75
5. Kevin Johnson	20.7	92.8	19.1	9.4	20.5	66	56
6. Chauncey Billups	19.1	106.1	19.5	20.3	19.2	67	53
7. Steve Nash	20.2	107.4	19.5	9.9	20.1	63	53
8. Walt Frazier	19.1	113.5	19.8	15.9	19.2	64	52
9. Sidney Moncrief	18.7	90.3	15.5	7.9	18.3	62	47
10. Mark Price	19.6	71.1	17.2	3.6	19.4	57	46
11. Gilbert Arenas	20.6	50.4	19.0	1.9	20.5	54	46
12. Terrell Brandon	19.7	65.9	17.3	1.8	19.6	53	44
13. Bob Cousy	19.7	87.2	17.4	9.4	19.4	50	40
14. Larry Jones	18.9	56.4	17.7	3.4	18.8	51	40
15. Sam Cassell	19.5	87.5	15.9	6.9	19.1	49	39
16. Gary Payton	18.9	145.5	15.4	11.1	18.5	50	39
17. Deron Williams	18.3	35.1	19.9	3.9	18.5	48	37
18. Gus Williams	18.5	67.9	20.4	10.1	18.7	46	36
19. Jason Kidd	18.5	119.6	18.1	11.6	18.5	46	36
20. Terry Porter	17.2	110.4	17.0	11.6	17.2	48	35

What? Why not Dennis Johnson and Jerry West? I dont know Porter is really great...

[koberulz]

Because Jerry West isn't a point guard, and Dennis Johnson isn't one of the statistically best 20 point guards?

[kevC]

Gary Payton so low Benji? Defense? Is it perhaps because of his shitty years in LA and Miami?

[NovU]

Shitty years ended up getting Payton a ring though. Karl Malone should have followed Shaq to Miami too.