What should be done to a flopper - your ideas

[BobcatsThunderBulls]

Everyone has their ideas on what should or should not be done to floppers. This thread is to express those ideas and why you think someone else's idea will not work. Or you can post on how flopping should not be penalized.

Btw, I know there are other threads on flopping, but most of them have talked about what the league IS doing to floppers or just complaints about floppers.

Here is what I think should happen

A supposed flop should be reviewed by the league in an independent committee of referees after the game is played. A flop should be penalized by reducing the amount of fouls available to that player the next game. If said player flops in the very next game the amount of fouls available to that player will be reduced by two for the next game. Flop in 6 consecutive games and you get suspended for one game with a reduction of one foul available the next game that is played. If a flop is the cause of his team winning the Championship game, he should be suspended 10 regular season games the next season. If the flopper retires after the Championship game he will be fined $200,000.

[Oznogrd]

No. Just No.

I've said it before and I've said it again: Everyone's opinion on what constitutes a flop is different. There is no flashing neon sign that says "that was a flop." Also, if you're a fan of the team performing said flop, you'll call it a "great play!" and not a flop. This is ridiculous. The reducing fouls is insane, that has never been used as a punishment because it would alter the fundamental strategy of the game. For winning the championship? You do realize no game is truly about 1 play right? No 1 flop should determine the outcome of a game, and the truth is it doesnt, there's 47 minutes before the "winning" flop happens usually. So that ones ridiculous. You also can't punish someone who is no longer in the game.

So yeah just stop.

[hova-]

Make it a technical. Technical freethrow + possesion. Would be easy.

[koberulz]

That's what it is under FIBA rules.

[[Q]]

No. Just No.

I've said it before and I've said it again: Everyone's opinion on what constitutes a flop is different. There is no flashing neon sign that says "that was a flop." Also, if you're a fan of the team performing said flop, you'll call it a "great play!" and not a flop. This is ridiculous. The reducing fouls is insane, that has never been used as a punishment because it would alter the fundamental strategy of the game. For winning the championship? You do realize no game is truly about 1 play right? No 1 flop should determine the outcome of a game, and the truth is it doesnt, there's 47 minutes before the "winning" flop happens usually. So that ones ridiculous. You also can't punish someone who is no longer in the game.

So yeah just stop.

THIS

plus a great well-timed no-call would be useful too.

[BobcatsThunderBulls]

No. Just No.

I've said it before and I've said it again: Everyone's opinion on what constitutes a flop is different. There is no flashing neon sign that says "that was a flop." Also, if you're a fan of the team performing said flop, you'll call it a "great play!" and not a flop. This is ridiculous. The reducing fouls is insane, that has never been used as a punishment because it would alter the fundamental strategy of the game. For winning the championship? You do realize no game is truly about 1 play right? No 1 flop should determine the outcome of a game, and the truth is it doesnt, there's 47 minutes before the "winning" flop happens usually. So that ones ridiculous. You also can't punish someone who is no longer in the game.

So yeah just stop.

I probably should have explained my position better. I agree with you that one play does not make a game. However, a flop should be penalized if it causes a foul on another player.

[NovU]

Make it a technical. Technical freethrow + possesion. Would be easy.

^This.

Only problem is that it's hard for the refs to catch em during the game. How about video personnel who's dedicated to viewing this kinda stuff and reviewing fouls/clocks(to save some time as well).

[hova-]

NovU, you're right, but then again when you compare it with diving in soccer it's just like refs gonna make calls and maybe miss something here and there. If the ref feels LeBron did a bit too much of his "I got hit and it altered my way although I'm weighing 120 kgs" they should just call it. This way he won't try it more often.

You do something -> you get rewarded for doing it -> you do it again
You do something -> you get punished for doing it -> you won't do it again

[benji]

DEATH...BY SNU SNU.

[NovU]

If the ref feels LeBron did a bit too much of his "I got hit and it altered my way although I'm weighing 120 kgs" they should just call it. This way he won't try it more often.

But isn't that the problem itself right now, referee's feels turning out to be wrong on flop calls?

Say LeBron really got hit in the head, but was punished instead. What's supposed to be +2 points for LeBron now turns into loss of possession(-2), and a technical(-1). That is 5 point rewarded to the opponent wrongly, which pretty much is a game changer.

Entire focus should be getting the calls right, and minimizing errors in the process. Punishing the player should come after.

[Sauru]

i will not pretend to be smart enough to solve the flopping problem, in fact i dont think any one person is, but i will say it needs to be fixed. watching the nba gets harder and harder each year because of the constant flops. there needs to be much bigger penalties associated with clear cut cases of flopping. 5 grand wont change crap.

[benji]

I think there should be a lifetime suspension for any player who leaves the game in a wheelchair and then returns to the same game a couple minutes later and continues playing.

[Patr1ck]

Make it a technical. Technical freethrow + possesion. Would be easy.

This is probably what is going to happen. The same thing for off-ball back-court fouls, aka hack a dwight.

[Andrew]

For the most part, I like the idea of a no-call. Don't bail out a flailing offensive player putting up a wild shot and let a flopping defender lay on the ground, leaving his team to play four on five until he get back to his feet and catch up with the play. In short, play out of control and embellish contact at your own risk.

For particularly egregious flops, technicals could be assessed. Perhaps it could be handled similar to "delay of game" penalties: the first instance results in a warning (along with a no-call/call going the other way), then a technical is assessed on each instance thereafter.

Going back to the videos that the league posted explaining what they were considering a flop, I think their guidelines are already pretty solid. They just haven't enforced them particularly well or with much consistency as the season has progressed. It might be a good idea to tighten up some of the rules regarding blocking and charging fouls, though. In particular, I'd still like to see them eliminate the ability for players to scoot over at the last second and draw a charge, as that's always felt cheap. It's even worse when the offensive player is already in the air.

[shadowgrin]

It's been suggested before for a different reason but have a badger tied to the flopper's legs during the game.

Say LeBron really got hit in the head, but was punished instead. What's supposed to be +2 points for LeBron now turns into loss of possession(-2), and a technical(-1). That is 5 point rewarded to the opponent wrongly, which pretty much is a game changer.

It's not a game changer when the math is wrong and not taking into account the probability of missing the shot during possession and tech FT.

A supposed flop should be reviewed by the league in an independent committee of referees after the game is played.

How about video personnel who's dedicated to viewing this kinda stuff and reviewing fouls/clocks(to save some time as well).

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... innovation

One of the big opportunities for the league now, however, is to give key officials the best possible information about what's actually happening on the court, specifically with real-time high-def video. Fans have it at home and increasingly in the arena. And the league has it, if it wants it.

"We're actually even toying with the notion," Stern divulged before Game 1 in Miami, "of whether replay can be done [by] offsite review, the way it's done in the NHL, to relieve the burden on the referees, who are stuck in the middle of intense gametime action."

Deputy commissioner Adam Silver outlined a vision of how things might work in the future: "If you have a group of officials in a broadcast center somewhere, location could almost be anywhere in this day and age of digital media, there wouldn't be that delay which officials need to walk over, turn the monitor around, put the headphones on, call for the replays. You could have offsite officials looking at multiple monitors at once."

That can and should happen in real time, and it makes more sense than ever. It's also a perfect avenue for the league to truly address a number of issues, including flopping. The NBA's current flopping penalties are based on video review, but with a day's delay or more. To a lot of players, flops are still a way to help a team win. Real-time video review would expose the floppers in the seconds after the flop, when a penalty would mean something.

"It's a subject of continued discussion in our office, and has been," Stern said. "Because as I said and have been quoted, the idea that everyone with a smart phone can see it, everyone at home can see it, everyone …"

"Except," Silver chimed in, "the official."

"We've got to find a way to make it a little smoother," Stern concluded. "But we like it a lot, because it is very much evidence of the fact that we care about getting it right."

[Andrew]

Not a bad idea. It reminds me a little of what they do here in rugby league with the video referees.

It's been suggested before for a different reason but have a badger tied to the flopper's legs during the game.

Yeah, but then you've got to deal with PETA. Not worth the hassle.

[shadowgrin]

Dammit. Another reminder why we can't have nice things.

[Sauru]

I think there should be a lifetime suspension for any player who leaves the game in a wheelchair and then returns to the same game a couple minutes later and continues playing.

lmfao. listen i am not sitting here saying no one on the celtics flops, they do, and i want it stopped

[bowdown]

NBA should hire guys to keep track of all evident flops and then each referee should be given notice before the game of the players most notorious for it. That way, the refs will know which fucker to keep an eye on.

[Andrew]

I'd say that reputation already precedes players and from time to time, you do see notorious floppers come away empty-handed with a no-call. In the thick of play though, at the speed the game is played, the referees don't always catch what the cameras do, which is why additional measures may be useful here. As I said before, better definitions for certain rules, such as charge/block distinctions, wouldn't go astray either.