Melo to Nets deal dead

[diddy]

Well, Mikhail Prokhorov get himself a superstar finally! The deal is almost finished!
when it comes through Nets would receive Melo, Nuggets - Kirilenko and Favors + 2 first round pics, Jazz - Boris Diaw (for money issues) and Charlotte - Devin Harris! Every team benefit!
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/09/24/aldridge-carmelo-anthony/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

[Lamrock]

Ehhhhhh..... Denver makes out like bandits if this trade goes down. Its not often you get a 110% return on your franchise player. Why in the world was Billy King hired?

[TheMC5]

I so want this trade to happen, just because New Jersey would be so bad if this went through. They'd a starting 5 of (hypothetically) Farmar - Williams (Morrow?) - Anthony - Murphy - Lopez. That's hilariously awful. Make it happen, Nets!

[benji]

I so want this trade to happen, just because New Jersey would be so bad if this went through.

So like they were last season?

[Bomb Diggity]

Good deal for the Nuggets. Devin Harris in Charlotte would be good, but I really don't think the Nets should do this, they should let their core mature rather than trade off current assets and future assets. Ah well. Hopefully this means that the Atlantic will be easier for my Sixers.

[Dan's Brain]

How the hell do the Nets expect to keep Brook Lopez from bolting the team at the first chance he gets. This is ridiculous.

[Murat]

Woot, just the winner is Bobcats. They lose Felton to NY but they send Boris Diaw to Jazz for Devin Harris from NJ. I hope this is real.

[|)e8*]

I rather keep AK than save money

[Andrew]

Great deal for the Nuggets. It's not a terrible deal all around but the Nets are definitely taking a risk at point guard by dealing away Harris. Now it just remains to be seen whether or not Melo will sign the extension.

[puttincomputers]

Great deal for the Nuggets. It's not a terrible deal all around but the Nets are definitely taking a risk at point guard by dealing away Harris. Now it just remains to be seen whether or not Melo will sign the extension.

thats why i believe that lawson should be traded to charlotte with augustine going to nj

[Alpha_]

That's a great trade for Denver!!! Favors and AK47 + 2 1st round picks...

[NovU]

This move would be great in the video games, but how are the Nets planning to keep Camelo? Denver as expected, is getting young prospect + picks, but I am thinking it'll be really tough for the Nets to keep Anthony there. Probably this only makes it easier for NYK to pick up Melo next year.

[Lamrock]

Melo doesn't have a trade kicker. The whole reason it may not happen is because the Nets won't trade for him without an extension.

[shadowgrin]

New Jersey is near New York. New Jersey will soon be moving to New York.
Speculation by initial articles about the trade suspect that Melo's wife (a former MTV VJ) is the one that convinced him to choose NY to be near her 'career'. Jay-Z is minority owner of the Nets. Jay-Z is influential in the music business. You do the math.
New Jersey has a filthy rich owner that could make Mark Cuban look like a filthy bum. The Russian dude has no problem showing Melo the money.

[rise]

My favorite part...

Bobcats roster:

C: Who knows?
PF: Thomas
SF: Wallace
SG: Jackson
PG: Harris
Do the bottom 3 seem formidable?

Also, NJ benefits tremendously. Their scoring will be awesome. Whenever Carmelo can't score for whatever reason, Anthony Morrow is there to dump in 3s after 3s...

[TheMC5]

I so want this trade to happen, just because New Jersey would be so bad if this went through.

So like they were last season?

Yeah, except with "one of the best players in the league" on their roster.

[Lamrock]

Yeah, Bobcats having 2 of their 5 starters being above average is pretty scary. Maybe even good enough for them to hold of NY, NJ and the Cavs for the 7th seed!

NJ does not benefit tremendously. Having a guy like Melo to chuck shot after shot would probably keep them out of the unthinkably turrible category (60+ losses), but its hard to be excited about fighting for the 8th seed every year. (I'd almost rather have 08-09 Harris than Melo, in fact I definitely would)

[J@3]

Where does your Melo hate come from? He's a high usage guy but also extremely high production, and there's no massively glaring holes in his game to make him worth hating. You make him sound like he's Al Harrington or something.

I think Denver are getting a great deal in this but NJ had to do SOMETHING to save face. If that means bringing in a guy who can score 30 a game and contribute positively to the rest of the team then why not. They won like 3 games last season.

[Lamrock]

He's not Al Harrington. Harrington's less efficient, but takes a few less shots and actually plays a lick of defense. Starting AK and Harrington over Melo and K-Mart is an upgrade defensively, and Harrington replaces Melo's chucking (and opens a couple more shots up for their real stars: Billups and Nene). Really hope for Denver's sake this goes down and they keep Billups, since they are getting a 110% return on Melo.

Melo's coming off a (probably fluke) career season, and he still isn't as good as a healthy Devin Harris. The hate is coming from the fact that he's fucking lame.

[Sauru]

great deal for the nuggets. turn a player who wants to and is going to leave into that? top notch

[NovU]

NJ does not benefit tremendously. Having a guy like Melo to chuck shot after shot would probably keep them out of the unthinkably turrible category (60+ losses), but its hard to be excited about fighting for the 8th seed every year. (I'd almost rather have 08-09 Harris than Melo, in fact I definitely would)

What makes you think so. This pretty much means Denver is hoping Favor would turn out to be the star while they will try hard to make a post season sort of like Phoenix. On the other side of the trade, NJN will only improve and possibly become one of the better teams in East, if Melo sign an extension and allows the team to rebuild around him, just like what happened in Denver when Melo arrived.

I can almost foresee the team in Denver falling apart. Each player has strong characteristics/attitude and were proven that they were hard to coach. There is much more chance that the team will decline for a next few years. I don't believe Favor and Kirilenko will make an immediate impact which could buy patience from current Denver players.

If the deal goes through and Melo stays in NJN for a long time, it'll only be a good thing for NJN.

[Lamrock]

Why would it only be a good thing for NJ to pay the max to a guy who's a decent high-volume scorer, and below average at everything else? Its not like he's a star like Wade who can carry a team. Meanwhile, the Nuggets get an SF who is far more effective than Melo (.171 WS/48 > .145 WS/48; 117 Ortg/103 Drtg > 110 Ortg/109 Drtg), a very promising rookie, some promising picks and have a (far less expensive) replacement chucker in Harrington.

Now that I have you on my side, I'd like to throw out that Melo is an overrated ballhog who demanded his way out of Denver to appease his has-been wife and put himself on the map (because jacking up a ton of shots and being the third best player on a WCF team entitles him to a max contract in the locale of his choice). I doubt that swapping him for Kirilenko (who, I'll admit, pulled some similar shit to Melo a few years back) and a rookie will destroy the chemistry. Not to mention JR Smith is on the trading block.

This deal is probably not going to happen though. Melo knows that he would be joining a team arguably worse than any of the Nuggets squads he's been on, and perhaps the Nets are realizing that this is an atrocious deal.

[rise]

Yeah, Bobcats having 2 of their 5 starters being above average is pretty scary.

3. Are you not counting Stephen Jackson? Because Gerald Wallace is nearly as good as Melo right now, just two years older. Stephen Jackson was like the ideal teammate. In the 72 games Jax played, he scored above 20 ppg while Gerald Wallace scored 18-20 ppg. (Don't remember the exact number) Raymond Felton is significantly less than Harris and we made #7 in the playoffs last year. The only thing holding us down right now is the lack of a halfway decent center. We waived the best one (Having Erick Dampier as the best of your four center is pretty weak and the addition of Kwame Brown didn't exactly help that either.)

NJ does not benefit tremendously.

They do. Look at their frontcourt. Lopez, Murphy, Melo. Scary. Their backcourt would take a hit with the loss of Devin Harris, but really, anything's better than 12 wins unless they underperform and get like five wins next season with melo.

I think Denver are getting a great deal in this but NJ had to do SOMETHING to save face

Really. Everyone involved in this trade, besides Utah comes off tremendously in this trade. Denver gets rid of Melo and gets plenty in return. The Nets get Carmelo at a fairly low price, only Harris and Favors and draft picks, they didn't even lose Lopez! The Bobcats - you've already heard this from me. Devin Harris will get the Bobcats a second playoff berth this season if this happens. I'm shaky about letting Tyrus Thomas start, but that's OK. Gerald Wallace will make up for him. Utah has to give up Kirilenko apparently. Not something they want to do. Kirilenko doesn't want it to happen and he's definitely a better player than Boris Diaw. Diaw is more versatile, and can play all five positions fairly well. but they're giving up a guy who has made history with the closest to a quintuple-double ever and is a tremendous defender. Denver gets a great player out of him.

He's not Al Harrington.

Nobody is Al Harrington. Only Al Harrington.

Melo's coming off a (probably fluke) career season, and he still isn't as good as a healthy Devin Harris.

You are grossly underestimating Melo. I am by no means a Melo fan, but he has kept up 20 ppg since his rookie season. He is entering his prime and I expect at least one 30 ppg season from him no matter where he plays (except if he somehow came to the Heat) in the next 5 years. This 28 ppg season he had wasn't a fluke because he had 29 in the 06-07 season. Was that a fluke too?

I don't believe Favor and Kirilenko will make an immediate impact which could buy patience from current Denver players.

Favors won't because he hasn't even played in the NBA before. Kirilenko - why wouldn't he? He is a great all-around player. He isn't going to suck and he'll be a decent replacement for Melo.

[Lamrock]

Yeah, Bobcats having 2 of their 5 starters being above average is pretty scary.

3. Are you not counting Stephen Jackson? Because Gerald Wallace is nearly as good as Melo right now, just two years older. Stephen Jackson was like the ideal teammate. In the 72 games Jax played, he scored above 20 ppg while Gerald Wallace scored 18-20 ppg. (Don't remember the exact number) Raymond Felton is significantly less than Harris and we made #7 in the playoffs last year. The only thing holding us down right now is the lack of a halfway decent center. We waived the best one (Having Erick Dampier as the best of your four center is pretty weak and the addition of Kwame Brown didn't exactly help that either.)

Gerald Wallace is actually better than Melo.

I am not counting Stephen Jackson because he is an inefficient chucker, and I'm not a huge fan of those. Harris, though injury prone, is an improvement over Felton, but you must consider that Felton was coming off of a fluke shooting year.

NJ does not benefit tremendously.

They do. Look at their frontcourt. Lopez, Murphy, Melo. Scary. Their backcourt would take a hit with the loss of Devin Harris, but really, anything's better than 12 wins unless they underperform and get like five wins next season with melo.

Oh gee, that's frightening. Arguably as good as Nene, K-Mart & Melo. Too bad they'll have one of the worst backcourts in the league. They won't lose 70 games again. However, their team last year was far from the worst in the league. If not for injuries, the worst coach ever (for three fourths of the year) and having excellent competition for top lottery odds in the Wolves, they would have probably won about 25 wins, which seems to be this team's basement.

I think Denver are getting a great deal in this but NJ had to do SOMETHING to save face

Really. Everyone involved in this trade, besides Utah comes off tremendously in this trade. Denver gets rid of Melo and gets plenty in return. The Nets get Carmelo at a fairly low price, only Harris and Favors and draft picks, they didn't even lose Lopez! The Bobcats - you've already heard this from me. Devin Harris will get the Bobcats a second playoff berth this season if this happens. I'm shaky about letting Tyrus Thomas start, but that's OK. Gerald Wallace will make up for him. Utah has to give up Kirilenko apparently. Not something they want to do. Kirilenko doesn't want it to happen and he's definitely a better player than Boris Diaw. Diaw is more versatile, and can play all five positions fairly well. but they're giving up a guy who has made history with the closest to a quintuple-double ever and is a tremendous defender. Denver gets a great player out of him.

A fairly low price? Are you fucking retarded? They trade the #3 pick in a strong draft, a player as good as Melo and shitload of picks for a guy who, even in a career year isn't top 5 at his position. Much like the last 4 team trade where the Hornets got shafted, New Jersey gets the bad end of a deal that greatly benefits the other three teams (Utah gets out of luxury tax hell)

Melo's coming off a (probably fluke) career season, and he still isn't as good as a healthy Devin Harris.

You are grossly underestimating Melo. I am by no means a Melo fan, but he has kept up 20 ppg since his rookie season. He is entering his prime and I expect at least one 30 ppg season from him no matter where he plays (except if he somehow came to the Heat) in the next 5 years. This 28 ppg season he had wasn't a fluke because he had 29 in the 06-07 season. Was that a fluke too?

Give me enough shots and I'll average 30 PPG. Having a 30 PPG scorer is not a good thing if he's a black hole who doesn't play defense.

[rise]

Yeah, Bobcats having 2 of their 5 starters being above average is pretty scary.

3. Are you not counting Stephen Jackson? Because Gerald Wallace is nearly as good as Melo right now, just two years older. Stephen Jackson was like the ideal teammate. In the 72 games Jax played, he scored above 20 ppg while Gerald Wallace scored 18-20 ppg. (Don't remember the exact number) Raymond Felton is significantly less than Harris and we made #7 in the playoffs last year. The only thing holding us down right now is the lack of a halfway decent center. We waived the best one (Having Erick Dampier as the best of your four center is pretty weak and the addition of Kwame Brown didn't exactly help that either.)

Gerald Wallace is actually better than Melo.

As much as I like Gerald Wallace, Melo has a slight - very slight- edge over him. He is two years younger and is probably in the top 5 for pure scorers in the NBA right now. Wallace is better in almost every other way. A much better rebounder, one of the best defender in the NBA (the best SF defender, barely edging out Ron Artest), and he is happy with his team. But Melo beats Wallace by a whopping 8-10 ppg. Big difference there.

I am not counting Stephen Jackson because he is an inefficient chucker, and I'm not a huge fan of those. Harris, though injury prone, is an improvement over Felton, but you must consider that Felton was coming off of a fluke shooting year.

Raymond Felton's season wasn't a fluke. He's improving. Stephen Jackson is a chucker, but he averages around 20. That still makes him pretty damn good. You go out and score 20 ppg on a decent team and I'll say you're good too.

Too bad they'll have one of the worst backcourts in the league.

There's talk of the Bobcats giving up Augustin. This would help the Nets in the backcourt a little, but they would give us like Jarvis Hays or someone. I'd rather not go forth with that part of the trade, but if it needs to be done to get Devin Harris over here, that's all right with me. Shaun Livingston's a decent backup. As long as his knee's alright, so will he. The Nets do have Anthony Morrow, who is a truly deadly outside shooter. If he starts, big points for him!

New Jersey gets the bad end of a deal that greatly benefits the other three teams (Utah gets out of luxury tax hell)

I think NJ getting Melo is about the best thing that can happen to them right now. This frontcourt alone will get them about 40 wins this season. If they can get a halfway decent PG, maybe 45. That's a 30 win jump from last season. They certainly do NOT get the bad end of this deal. That's Utah. Kirilenko for Diaw? Bad. But they get out of "luxury tax hell"

Having a 30 PPG scorer is not a good thing if he's a black hole who doesn't play defense.

30 PPG is a good thing no matter what. As for Carmelo's D - saying he doesn't play defense at all is a bit of a stretch. I mean, he's not Amare Stoudamire...