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Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Nick on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:34 pm

He's quite a different player than Kevin Johnson actually. Less Assists and turnovers. But right now Harris is playing like one of the best guards in the league. So far this season (14 games), per 36 minutes, devin has a stat line of 24.8 points, 6.1 assists, 3.6 rebounds, 1.2 steals. Pretty nice. And he's leading a top 10 offense in the league right now (New Jersey currently ranked 6th)

But what's interesting about Harris, is the way in which he goes about it. He's efficient. He's shooting .488 FG%, only 2.0 turnovers per game (low for a point guard), and he's getting to the line an unbelievable 11 times per game, and making 9. He ranks 1st in the league in Free throws made per shot attempt.

It's because of this i'm amazed at devin harris. It's like he's a coach's perfect point guard (i suppose if he was a reliable 3pt shooter he'd be perfect, but still). He doesn't force anything, he lets all his game come to him.

http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2009/jh_ALL_PER.htm
What a breakout season for Harris so far this season. Right now he is sitting 6th in the league in PER at 27.8 (Dwight is 5th with 28.5, Boozer is 7th with 25.4).

I can foresee a scenario where devin is named to the all-star team, if he can keep it up. Do you think Harris can continue this level of play throughout the season? I hope so. What a stud.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby benji on Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:36 pm

Use this over Knickerblogger, he calculates it weird: http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... _2009.html
He's fifth in PER. Second in the league in ORtg.

Look at that gamelog: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... &year=2009

I started paying attention after he ripped off four 30 point games in five. And that 24 FT game. And now a 17/17 one? Brutal.

Too bad the Nets still aren't playing any defense.

And come on, just because he shoots better and has one third the turnovers, he doesn't improve everyones defense with his passing like Jason Kidd. Watch the games Nick.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby NovU on Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:56 pm

harris's been awesome. he couldn't have put up those numbers if he was in dallas. glad to see him flourish with an opportunity. he's playing like a first option over VC, which is amazing.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby NjzLilMp on Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:50 pm

i believe the nets have the potential of being a great team this season, but with all those injuries to Boone, CDR, and Najera you can leave out the offensive awareness of Boone, and the Defense that Najera provides. I think the nets have to work on making those open shots for example bobby simmons is horrible this year, if only the Nets kept RJ we would be a complete team with Harris, Carter, RJ, YI, and Boone at the start nets would have a chance going to playoffs. Harris is doing amazing hopefully he keeps it up and gives nets some hope for a playoff and actually draws more fans to their games, cause from what i see is that nets dont have fan support with half of the arena always empty unless they playing Cavs or Lakers.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Valor on Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:58 pm

NjzLilMp wrote:i believe the nets have the potential of being a great team this season, but with all those injuries to Boone, CDR, and Najera you can leave out the offensive awareness of Boone, and the Defense that Najera provides. I think the nets have to work on making those open shots for example bobby simmons is horrible this year, if only the Nets kept RJ we would be a complete team with Harris, Carter, RJ, YI, and Boone at the start nets would have a chance going to playoffs. Harris is doing amazing hopefully he keeps it up and gives nets some hope for a playoff and actually draws more fans to their games, cause from what i see is that nets dont have fan support with half of the arena always empty unless they playing Cavs or Lakers.

without RJ going there wouldn't have been Yi on the team....
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Alejandrov011 on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:54 am

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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Doobie on Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:45 am

Damn right Harris I believe Harris is going to keep ripping it this year. Atleats I hope so.. (He's on one of my fantasy teams.)
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Clueminati017 on Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:08 am

If Harris doesn't make all stars. I know why the biggest reasons that fans does not need to vote.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby benji on Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:59 am

Then who should?
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby The X on Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:39 am

Alejandrov011 wrote:Cuban is hanging in his office

tis was always a bad trade, that underrated Harris' ability....

frankly, I'm surprised it took Harris this long to have big impact....I thought coming out of Wisconsin that he would be a very good player....was a bit disappointed that he didn't land in right situation in Dallas, but all seems to be working out now (Y)
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Andrew on Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:26 am

Hopefully he has better luck than KJ when it comes to injuries. I too wouldn't be all that surprised if he made the All-Star team this year.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby The X on Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:52 am

If he continues this play, he has to be a lock....you look at the East All-Star guards, there'll be at least 5....

Dwayne Wade
Allen Iverson
Vince Carter
Devin Harris
Joe Johnson
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Ray Allen
Jose Calderon


My East Team to date:

STARTERS (Voted in):
F- Kevin Garnett
F- Lebron James
C- Dwight Howard
G- Dwayne Wade
G- Allen Iverson

BENCH:
F/C- Chris Bosh
F- Paul Pierce
C/F- Rasheed Wallace/Elton Brand (between these two)
G- Vince Carter
G- Devin Harris
F- Danny Granger
G- Joe Johnson


My West Team to date:

STARTERS (Voted in):
F- Tim Duncan
F- Carmelo Anthony
C- Yao
G- Kobe Bryant
G- Chris Paul

BENCH:
F- Amare Stoudemire
F- Dirk Nowitzki
C- Pau Gasol/Shaquille O'Neal (Shaq might surprise & sneak in)
G- Brandon Roy
G- Chauncey Billups
F- Carlos Boozer
G- Jason Kidd/Deron Williams/Steve Nash (whoever is healthy enough I guess)


WINNER OF ALL-STAR GAME = EAST
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Nick on Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:40 am

If i were to pick an all star team TODAY, based on my own perception (based on player performance, team record not taken into account), it would look like this:

East:
C- D. Howard (ORL)
F- C. Bosh (TOR)
F- L. James (CLE)
G. D.Wade (MIA)
G- D.Harris (NJN)
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K. Garnett (BOS)
V.Carter (NJN)
A.Jamison (WAS)
C.Butler (WAS)
Z.Ilgauskus (CLE)
J.Johnson (ATL)
D.Granger (IND)
Honourable mentions: M.Bibby (ATL), R. Rondo (BOS), R. Allen (BOS), J. Calderon (TOR), C. Anthony (DEN)

West:
C- T.Duncan (SAS)
F- A.Stoudemire (PHO)
F- C.Boozer (UTA)
G- K.Bryant (LAL)
G- C.Paul (NOH)
---
T.Parker (SAS)
C.Billups (DEN)
B.Roy (POR)
D.Nowitzki (DAL)
A.Jefferson (MIN)
P.Gasol (LAL)
Y.Ming (HOU)

Honourable mentions: S.O'Neal (PHO), A.Biedrins (GSW), A.Bynum (LAL), J. Terry (DAL), Nene (DEN)
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Clueminati017 on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:27 pm

Nick wrote:If i were to pick an all star team TODAY, based on my own perception (based on player performance, team record not taken into account), it would look like this:

East:
C- D. Howard (ORL)
F- C. Bosh (TOR)
F- L. James (CLE)
G. D.Wade (MIA)
G- D.Harris (NJN)
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K. Garnett (BOS)
V.Carter (NJN)
A.Jamison (WAS)
C.Butler (WAS)
Z.Ilgauskus (CLE)
J.Johnson (ATL)
D.Granger (IND)
Honourable mentions: M.Bibby (ATL), R. Rondo (BOS), R. Allen (BOS), J. Calderon (TOR), C. Anthony (DEN)

West:
C- T.Duncan (SAS)
F- A.Stoudemire (PHO)
F- C.Boozer (UTA)
G- K.Bryant (LAL)
G- C.Paul (NOH)
---
T.Parker (SAS)
C.Billups (DEN)
B.Roy (POR)
D.Nowitzki (DAL)
A.Jefferson (MIN)
P.Gasol (LAL)
Y.Ming (HOU)

Honourable mentions: S.O'Neal (PHO), A.Biedrins (GSW), A.Bynum (LAL), J. Terry (DAL), Nene (DEN)




Why do you have Melo in the Eastern Conference Honorable Mentions? Want him to play for the Eastern Conference All Stars in a Barry Farms jersey? Where's the love for Chris Andersen? He's averaging more blocks than Neynard Hillario.


East
C- Dwight Howard
PF - Kevin Garnett
SF - LeBron James
SG - Dwayne Wade
PG - Allen Iverson

6. Devin Harris
7. Chris Bosh
8. Vince Carter
9. Richard Hamilton
10. Joe Johnson
11. Rasheed Wallace
12. Paul Pierce
13. Ray Allen
Close Picks: R. Rondo (BOS), D. Granger (IND), Z. Ilgaskus (CLE), J. O'Neal (TOR), S. Marion (MIA), A. Jamison (WSH), C. Butler (WSH), M. Bibby (ATL), J. Calderon (TOR), R. Jefferson (MIL), M. Redd (MIL), D. Lee (NYK)

Possible Rookie Picks: M. Beasley (MIA), D. Rose (CHI), DJ Augustine (CHA), B. Lopez (NJ), M. Chalmers (MIA) (fans may sneak those in)

West
C - Shaquille O'Neal
PF - Tim Duncan
SF - Carmelo Anthony
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Steve Nash

6 - Chris Paul
7 - Yao Ming
8 - Dirk Nowitzki
9 - Brandon Roy
10 - Carlos Boozer
11 - Chauncey Billups
12 - Tony Parker or Jason Kidd (huge toss-up)
13 - Amare Stoudamire

Honorable Mentions: B. Davis (LAC), A. Kirilenko (UTA), A. Bynum (LAL), P. Gasol (LAL), J. Terry (DAL), R. Artest (HOU), T. McGrady (HOU), M. Ginobili (SAS), D. Williams (UTA), J. Barea (DAL), A. Biendris (GSW)

Close Rookie Picks: OJ Mayo (MEM), M. Gasol (MEM), G. Oden (POR), R. Fernandez (POR)
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby NjzLilMp on Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:29 pm

my picks would be

East:
(C) D.Howard
(PF) K.G.
(SF)L.James
(SG)D.Wade
(PG)D.Harris (i would give this to AI but when D.Harris ripped him the first game.)

West:
(C)Yao
(PF)P.Gasol
(SF)Melo
(SG)K.Bryant
(PG)CP3
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby erik_twism on Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:08 pm

Why do somany pick Iverson? His stats are poor (for his high standards) and Harris, Wade, Johnson, Carter... are way better this year.
The same can be said about KG. No way he should be voted in and not Bosh.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Alejandrov011 on Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:46 am

Clueminati017 wrote:
Nick wrote:If i were to pick an all star team TODAY, based on my own perception (based on player performance, team record not taken into account), it would look like this:

East:
C- D. Howard (ORL)
F- C. Bosh (TOR)
F- L. James (CLE)
G. D.Wade (MIA)
G- D.Harris (NJN)
---
K. Garnett (BOS)
V.Carter (NJN)
A.Jamison (WAS)
C.Butler (WAS)
Z.Ilgauskus (CLE)
J.Johnson (ATL)
D.Granger (IND)
Honourable mentions: M.Bibby (ATL), R. Rondo (BOS), R. Allen (BOS), J. Calderon (TOR), C. Anthony (DEN)

West:
C- T.Duncan (SAS)
F- A.Stoudemire (PHO)
F- C.Boozer (UTA)
G- K.Bryant (LAL)
G- C.Paul (NOH)
---
T.Parker (SAS)
C.Billups (DEN)
B.Roy (POR)
D.Nowitzki (DAL)
A.Jefferson (MIN)
P.Gasol (LAL)
Y.Ming (HOU)

Honourable mentions: S.O'Neal (PHO), A.Biedrins (GSW), A.Bynum (LAL), J. Terry (DAL), Nene (DEN)




Why do you have Melo in the Eastern Conference Honorable Mentions? Want him to play for the Eastern Conference All Stars in a Barry Farms jersey? Where's the love for Chris Andersen? He's averaging more blocks than Neynard Hillario.


East
C- Dwight Howard
PF - Kevin Garnett
SF - LeBron James
SG - Dwayne Wade
PG - Allen Iverson

6. Devin Harris
7. Chris Bosh
8. Vince Carter
9. Richard Hamilton
10. Joe Johnson
11. Rasheed Wallace
12. Paul Pierce
13. Ray Allen
Close Picks: R. Rondo (BOS), D. Granger (IND), Z. Ilgaskus (CLE), J. O'Neal (TOR), S. Marion (MIA), A. Jamison (WSH), C. Butler (WSH), M. Bibby (ATL), J. Calderon (TOR), R. Jefferson (MIL), M. Redd (MIL), D. Lee (NYK)

Possible Rookie Picks: M. Beasley (MIA), D. Rose (CHI), DJ Augustine (CHA), B. Lopez (NJ), M. Chalmers (MIA) (fans may sneak those in)

West
C - Shaquille O'Neal
PF - Tim Duncan
SF - Carmelo Anthony
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Steve Nash

6 - Chris Paul
7 - Yao Ming
8 - Dirk Nowitzki
9 - Brandon Roy
10 - Carlos Boozer
11 - Chauncey Billups
12 - Tony Parker or Jason Kidd (huge toss-up)
13 - Amare Stoudamire

Honorable Mentions: B. Davis (LAC), A. Kirilenko (UTA), A. Bynum (LAL), P. Gasol (LAL), J. Terry (DAL), R. Artest (HOU), T. McGrady (HOU), M. Ginobili (SAS), D. Williams (UTA), J. Barea (DAL), A. Biendris (GSW)

Close Rookie Picks: OJ Mayo (MEM), M. Gasol (MEM), G. Oden (POR), R. Fernandez (POR)



Jamison,Butler and BAREA???


Are you kiddin?
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby benji on Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:24 am

Jamison's having the best year of his career.
Why do somany pick Iverson? His stats are poor

Stats are 100% meaningless. The things Iverson does great doesn't show up in the stat sheet, like overdribbling, crossovers and having tatooos. You have to watch the games.

Also endorsement contracts. And fawning talking heads.

And intimidation, respect and leadership.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Andrew on Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:18 am

erik_twism wrote:Why do somany pick Iverson? His stats are poor (for his high standards) and Harris, Wade, Johnson, Carter... are way better this year.
The same can be said about KG. No way he should be voted in and not Bosh.


Depends if you're picking who you think should be in the game (and upon what criteria) or who you think will be in the game. Iverson's a strong possibility to be voted in as a starter, perhaps some people are accounting for that.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Oskar on Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:26 am

Almost none has mentioned Derrick Rose here yet.. I can't believe this.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Doobie on Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:54 am

Derrick Rose isn't that good, I'd vote in Danilo before Rose. Ugh what a waste of a player D. Rose is.

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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Andrew on Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:59 am

Oskar wrote:Almost none has mentioned Derrick Rose here yet.. I can't believe this.


He's less likely to make it being a rookie (I know rookies get selected but they also get passed over, such as LeBron being held out his first season) but more likely he's not in the discussion right now because of the Bulls' record.
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Laxation on Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:52 pm

lol @ dallas...

but hey, at least they got barea, right clueminati
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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby Clueminati017 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:49 pm

Laxation wrote:lol @ dallas...

but hey, at least they got barea, right clueminati



**Looks at Laxation's pic of a evil Ben Wallace and says....**

Word.

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Re: Devin Harris - The next KJ?

Postby NovU on Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:09 am

41points 13assists 3steals against dallas

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