Why are we still playing 2000?

For me;
- gameplay
- action
- tactics
- art
- etc
Everything looks like great.

The newer versions are not like simulation games, I can' t find the same taste of basketball from them.

I want to know what you think about this subject.

Cheers,

- challenging gameplay
- manageable CPU requirements
- cheerleaders

Gameplay, and the fact that 2001 and 2003 sucked.

gameplay, system requirements, great roster patches so far.


And I'm thrilled when I hear him say in Live 2000, "I can't this!" or "That gives him a triple double." My triple double usually comes from points, rebounds, and blocks. Have anybody recorded a quadruple double in the game?

- gameplay
- most patched game of the series

i've been offered madden nfl 2002, and my friends, that game is great, even if i'm still learning football rules so I cannot really judge on gameplay realism.

but when i see madden nfl graphics, the franchise mode, and everything else, i feel disgusted to see that nba live is not so great made while they're having much fun with madden 2003, we are still struggling about the same problem for 3 years now

I know Alex, Madden is a great game. What a shame that EA has let NBA live go to shit.
Have you tried NCAA college football 2003 or 2004, its probably the greatest sport game ever made.



David

hey no, i think it may be quite hard to find it in france, Madden NFL may not make much sales in France, so NCAA football...

i'd like to know why this game is even better than madden, please tell me why !!!

oh, and for madden, i forgot about injuries : in madden injuries are REALISTIC. that happens to see players injurying during the game, and being out for one quarter to some week or even the whole season.
In NBA Live 2000, that may happen 1 time every 500 games i'd say, and the player is only injuried for 1 quarter
even in nba live 95 injuries were better managed. at last I had once horace grant who was injured during a game and wasn't available for the next game
nba live has really missed something compared to madden

totally agreed
gameplay is still the best among all live versions on pc
don't know what EA did after 2000

Relatively realistic gameplay!!!
Easiest rosters to manipulate (using dBf editors)!!
Folks on this board continue to update rosters, jerseys, arenas, etc. (thanks Alex, et al.)

Seriously, I hated NBA Showdown (remember that dinosaur??), loved Live '95, and agree that Live 2K1 and 2K3 were awful, arcade versions of a respected sim. Until EA pays the same attention to its NBA series that it does to its Madden NFL series, Live 2K will be the favorite.

- TWSmith

BTW, it's nice to see that after my sparse participation on these boards for the past two years, it is still going stronger than ever. Thanks you guys, you're the best!!!

Realistic Gameplay, Half-time cheerleaders , easy on the system requirements, easy to patch plus it runs smoothly even on maximum settings, the best among the NBA Live series (2001, 2003 sucked in the sense that the gameplay is kind of exagerrated, too cartoony) I think NBA Live 2000 and hopefully NBA Live 2004 will be the best of all the series...

I agree with everybody here,I just wish I can run 2000 with my 5900 ultra,just cant be done....




Craig

Because it is the only game of the series in which you can actually contest a shot without blocking it. Because it is the only game of the series where you can get realistic results and percentages without delaying your game on purpose, even in 12 Minute quarters. Because it is the only game of the series where players don't look like jerks with waaaaay too much muscle. Because it is the only game of the series that has intelligent free-agent transactions. And finally...because it is the only game of the series that made me play more than one season with 12 Minute quarters and 82 games without being frustrating after a time.

Because it is the only game of the series in which you can actually contest a shot without blocking it. Because it is the only game of the series where you can get realistic results and percentages without delaying your game on purpose, even in 12 Minute quarters. Because it is the only game of the series where players don't look like jerks with waaaaay too much muscle. Because it is the only game of the series that has intelligent free-agent transactions. And finally...because it is the only game of the series that made me play more than one season with 12 Minute quarters and 82 games without being frustrating after a time.

Is this better than live 2004 ??????

Won't know that until tommorrow......... because that is when it is released. I have Live 2004 on the X-Box, and i will not lie........................ it's pretty good gameplay wise. The speed slider makes it a 100% better than 2003.

I've played 99, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and recently 2004. But i still consider 2000 the best (not the fresh from cd installed) only if it's patched well. Although 2004 had a good gameplay and more customable settings, it had terrible cyberfaces and it's very demanding on the system requirements! NBA Live 2000 is still the best for me! Easy on the system requirements, easier to patch, simple yet realistic gameplay (although 2004 is more realistic in terms of gameplay, but i still like 2000! )

Man, this bugs me...I've played live 2004 for about two or three weeks now, and I have to say that it's waaay better than 2000. Yes, there are some minor problems and dynasty mode sucks, if not customized. But this game just feels so very realistic. Post play is great, you mostly don't get easy open shots, unless you do a really good passing job and rating a player from 00 to 99 is a better way, too imho. The sliders make it possible to configure the game and fit it perfectly to match your own style of playing. Even the fastbreak problem(which we didn't have at all in live 2000 ) can be fixed. I love this game. Its gameplay is not far from perfect for a computer game. Thank you EA! Now improve the thing, but this time, keep all the good stuff

I agree with each of you . . . for the very reasons already noted at length. At its best, Live 2000 is the most realistic and engaging basketball simulation game I've ever come across -- I'm playing on a PC, thus I don't have access to Sega's 2k series (which I hear great things about) -- but far as PC hoops gameplay, 2000 is untouchable.

Problem though: two months ago, I played the first of a franchise season (set to Superstar) with the team ranked 26th overall in the league. I finished 31-25 (56-game season), #4 in the West and got swept in the second round by the conference's number one seed. For the 99-00 season, my team shot in the 40% from the field, scored in the mid-90s per game, and beat its competition by an average of four points per contest. Gameplay was realistic and remarkably competive, especially considering that I've owned this game for three years.

Then I went and started another franchise with all 29 teams set to user control (so I could dictate transactions and switch controlled teams sometime along the 25-season trek). I also simmed the first four seasons to bring the competition "up to current" date. Now, playing in the 03-04 season with the 28th ranked team, I'm 24-5 post the All-Star Break, scoring just under 110 points per game, shooting in the upper 50% from the field, and beating the competition by 15-20 points per game. I just played the 16th ranked team in the league earlier this evening, right. They had me down by twelve at the half on their court . . . second half, I ran them 75-39 and thus won by twenty-four. Shooting above 67% from the field in a quarter is fairly common with this 28th-ranked team; and shooting 60% for a game happens about once every other match-up. In other words, this sucks!!!

The game is so much easier now . . . yet I'm no better a player in December than I was in October. No way. It's as if the skill level has dropped to All-star or Starter; but my game difficulty remains set at Supestar. Could some of you Live 2000 gurus explain what may have compromised the realism and competive level of the game? Does playing with all User teams impact the simulation elements of 2000? Or is the game programmed to become easier as franchise mode proceeds?
Are these problems corrected in later versions of Live (Specifically 2004, as I know 01 and 03 are garbage)!?!

Thanks for your help!!!!

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I too love this game, but there are some things in gameplay for instance (photo below) that you can take advantage of. If you play the game the way it suppossed to be played, then the game will pose a challenge, if you take advantage of the computer.......... it will be too easy.
I am not saying you are taking advantage of the computer.......... just a general opionion on gameplay; that is all.
Maybe you could raise the other computer teams home court advantage, so you will have to fight to win home court advantage, and making a tougher season out of it.

No one has an up fake this good!

Hey. Thanks for the interesting reply . . .

If what you mean by "play the game as it's supposed to be played" is no use of "cheats" and/or range-less power forwards suckering multiple defenders into leaving their feet twenty-two feet from the bucket . . . then I am innocent "as charged." I never exploit such programming shortcomings in 2000 gameplay, for I'm seeking as realistic a take on professional basketball as possible in a sim video game.

Yet, if what you mean by "playing as it's supposed to be played" is slow-down halfcourt offense versus halfcourt defense, then I am guilty as charged. Yet if this is what you mean, then you and I have different takes on basketball philosophy. As far as the way I learned the game, hoop is about utilizing aggressive defense and boardwork to create running opportunities off of rebounds and turnovers and thereby compromising the opposition's defense through fullcourt mismatches. And when the opposition balances the floor, then you slow down and execute through ball and player movement in the halfcourt. This is the way North Carolina and Kansas play the game in Div.1, the way today's Lakers play, and how the 90s Bulls, the 80s Celts and Blazers and Lakers and Sixers, played the pro game.

Point is, this is the way I played using the 26th-ranked team in Year 1 of my franchise (1999-00), when the results seemed "normal" and gameplay was realistic. This very same way I play the game in Live 2000 franchise's 03-04 season with the 28th-ranked squad, only to suffer ludicrous results (110-100 is a close game) and simplistic gameplay.

So what gives here?

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I answer to this is................ i don't know why?

Check the old forum: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/fo ... opics.html

There should be more info on this in the franchise issues section. When the game was new, there were alot of franchise issues that were resolved.



David

Thanks, David. I'll check out your link this evening. Take care.

Now I know I ain't crazy. I just played a game of Live 2000 on Superstar Level, using this very team I've been talking about, the created squad ranked 28th overall according to the Live database, with the ludicrous 28-5 record, the insane 109-pt per game scoring average, the absurd 57% FG shooting percentage and the ridiculous 14-game winning streak.

So I'm playing this game against the 14th-ranked team leaguewide (with a losing record nonetheless), and the graphics return to "normal" all of a sudden; instead of players who look like Incredible Hulk action figures running up and down a ragged 8th-grade, the images represent players who look like NBA ballers on a professional court; yet again, I've changed no game settings relative to camera setup or views or player definitions. For the first time all franchise season, the contest looks like an NBA game.

And all a sudden, this 14th ranked squad with the losing record is actually playing basketball . . . as opposed to standing around and watching my squad run up and down the court for 40-minutes. They're defending, challenging, contesting, running, pressuring . . . competiting. Again, I've changed NO settings -- I always play 2000 on Superstar level.

This squad holds my team to 43% shooting in the 2nd quarter and 36% in the 3rd, like a legitimate league defense -- remember, there have been countless games this season where my 28th-ranked team (29th offensively) has shot above 75% from the field for a quarter. I recall a recent, comical 82% onslaught -- 60% FG shooting games have been the norm. This game, though, I finished with a realistic 46% FG shooting percentage. And low and behold, I actually lose a legitimate contest, 100-95, to this competitive squad.

Now, I know not only that I ain't crazy, but that these graphics are related to the realism of the gameplay. And I know that the ease of the game isn't caused by setting all the teams to User Control, nor by simming the first four seasons; I know that it ain't me. It's the game programming.

What I need to know from somebody out there is how to adjust the game such that I ALWAYS have competitive, realistic-looking contests, instead of waiting for the software programming to bleep or blurp and "feel" like giving me a legitimate game. I know you gaming afficianados have ecountered this issue with Live 2000's franchise mode, or at least heard of it. Is there a patch out there that I can install without starting my franchise over? Are there settings that I should tweak? Do I need to reinstall CDBFW and adjust the game's database using that software?

Lastly, please don't bother telling me about refraining from up-faking or using cheats or whatever other arcade kiddy tricks are out there. I play Live 2000 because I'm looking for a legitimate hoop simulation game, and on the PC, it comes the closest. When it's right, that is. I play the game of basketball using this software -- as close to the game as a simulation video game comes, that is. I just want to know how to keep it "right" as such. Thanks.

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i never really noticed this problem (i should have played more ) but your post was very instructive !

I hope that a solution can be found

I'm one of the supporter who still love the game!