National Team patch Feedback

[Dirtdog1- David]

If you find something wrong with the patch, or have a suggestion. Leave it here.

David

[alexboom]

about the patch, I think that the best solution would be to copy and paste the nba live 2000 folder in a new folder, called for instance "national teams live" and then you apply the patch on this new folder.

So you won't need to remove the patch if you want to play an NBA game

[alexboom]

Well I've just really played it for the first time (didn't have the time before, what a shame ). In two words :

IT ROCKS !!!

This patch is incredibly good wow !

by the way, I changed some players previews in the national teams patch.

and just a suggestion : what about deleting players in free agents section (and only keeping the ones who are international)

that's all for the moment. french players ratings seems accurate, maybe weis is a little too quicky but that's all. and david, I sent you a better logo of vittel, the sponsor seen of french jerseys, if you want to update it ...

[drummond]

Thank you for making this incredible patch and for including the lowly Korean Team even though I'm waiting for my current franchise to be finished - 7 years remaining - to play this patch.

I just checked the roster file with Excel, it's incredible! Where did you get information on players from all over the world, especially on Korean players? Even I can not find the total stats of them so easily. KBL(http://www.kbl.or.kr) doesn't keep much statistics like NBA does.

Some of the players have their first names in last name fields and vice versa. Some jersey numbers and ratings should be corrected. And some players should be added and others replaced based on 02allstar game/02asian game/0203season game.

I'm not that accurate on evaluating players ratings but I can help you out a little bit. Half a loaf is better than no bread, right? hehe. If you are thinking about the updated version of national team patch soon, I can be a little more help to you. Maybe I can get the photos of the players for the cyberface and keep track of stats, find some errors on the rosters.

Maybe it's just me who is playing Korean team but I'll be glad if you make the next patch too and if I can be of any help to you.

[drummond]

Game play suggestions:
I suggest you play just a season and not a franchise, because in franchise mode it will ruin the real National team rosters. You can either select custom season and choose which team will play it what division, or you can select default Fiba, but with this choice you will have to manually put England to Midwest division, Latvia to Central division and Turkey to Atlantic.

Maybe it's too early for me to say this but could you make it franchise-wise too? so that i can play franchise mode without having to move teams and change settings. If player retiring and salary issues - if any - are settled, it would be good to see the international palyers grow up or go down. Trading would be fun too. Just my thoughts.

[Dirtdog1- David]

Hey, Drummond i am glad you like it, because man it took me along time to make it. You are right about the S. Korean team, it could use a little more work. The problem i had with the names was all the places i searched for info had the names in different orders, so i went with what i thought was right.............. Me being American when we refer to Asian names with a (-) in it, we usually reverse the name. Don't know why, just do.
When Alex's site is up on the 29th, i will be releasing a V1.3, with some fixes, maybe i could get some of those Korean NT changes in.

There are 32 teams in this patch and out of the 32, i would have to say S.Korea is one of the few that has mistakes. It was really hard finding info on some of those players, but as the readme for V1.3 will state, if the team was not at the Fiba WC2002, then the team will consist of the best players the country has to offer.

E-mail me so we could exchange some info.

David

[drummond]

about the patch, I think that the best solution would be to copy and paste the nba live 2000 folder in a new folder, called for instance "national teams live" and then you apply the patch on this new folder.So you won't need to remove the patch if you want to play an NBA game

Thank you for the simple but powerful solution. I don't have to wait for my current franchise to be completed.

[drummond]

I got a fatal error while installing. It says, "Fatal error***File name 'nbatmlogo.fsh is too long." I'm using MS windows 98. I just played the game but crashed as soon as i saw loading screen with national flags.

Any solutions?
Thank you

[drummond]

Hey, Drummond i am glad you like it, because man it took me along time to make it.

I can imagine how hard it would be to make NT patch.

The problem i had with the names was all the places i searched for info had the names in different orders, so i went with what i thought was right.............. Me being American when we refer to Asian names with a (-) in it, we usually reverse the name. Don't know why, just do.

You got the right concept with the last name first, first name last in Korean way. For example, if you are Travis Lee, we call you Lee Travis only when we are speaking Korean Language. I know it is correct to say Travis Lee in Englsih..

However, some names are mixed up. In the roster, Hoon-Suh Jang should be corrected as Jang-Hoon Suh. Suh is the last name. Jang-Hoon is the first name. You get what I'm saying?

In the dbf file, Name field should have Suh and the Fname field Jang-Hoon.

I'll email you this kind of information from now on. I'll check the stats of the players in the game as soon as I fix the installing problem.

When Alex's site is up on the 29th, i will be releasing a V1.3, with some fixes, maybe i could get some of those Korean NT changes in.

It would be great. Again thank you for your great efforts.

if the team was not at the Fiba WC2002, then the team will consist of the best players the country has to offer.E-mail me so we could exchange some info. David

Yes, I'll see what I can do to help. Actually I've never edited the dbf files with tools but I'll get you some information or my opinions on how some things can be considered to be changed.

[MC Snowy]

I got a fatal error while installing. It says, "Fatal error***File name 'nbatmlogo.fsh is too long." I'm using MS windows 98. I just played the game but crashed as soon as i saw loading screen with national flags.

Any solutions?
Thank you

u need the new version of gfxpak

get it here http://www.nhlinfo.net/gfxpak.zip

unzip to your nbalive folder and run the bat files again

[drummond]

u need the new version of gfxpak

get it here http://www.nhlinfo.net/gfxpak.zip

thank you so much for your help. I'll try again when i'm home.
Yes. the fatal error is fixed now. The loading screen error was also fixed by applying the other patches like ball, flags,etc.

[drummond]

just a suggestion : what about deleting players in free agents section (and only keeping the ones who are international)

yes, good idea.

And I just played one game of my NT franchise game. was really hard for me to play Korea against Canada. i managed to win though.. i think rookies next year will be better than my reserves....I'll play more games tonight.

I sent you David the address that you can download files containing info about Korean players. It would be more realistic I think.

I can't wait for the next release of the NT patch.

[drummond]

last night i simulated a few seasons of NT franchise game and encountered errors which forced to exit the game right away. The error message says something like original team info error. It happens when the retirement screen appears.

When 99 season was over, there was Rod Strickland in the retirement list. I clicked him cuz I like him. Right after I did that, the game exited with the error message like "...strickland_ro.fsh original team .....". I reloaded my season saved file, and then simulated season. There was Rod strickland retiring again but I didn't click him and I passed to the next season.

When 00 season was over, it is aborted automatically this time right before retirement list comes up. The error was like "0grant_ho...original team .....". I didn't ever click him but I think it was because he was in the first record of that list. I reloaded the season and simulated again, this time no error. Somebody else was on top of the list and Horace Grant was in the middle.

Maybe deleting the non-international players from the free agent list will solve this once and for all.

It's still great to play the franchised version of NT patch. It doesn't ruin the patch at all. It's like world soccer where all the players are mixed during the regular season.

Maybe the day will come when the basketball players are traded internationally as David Stern hopes NBA spreads to the world.

[Dirtdog1- David]

Drummond, here is the reply to the E-mail and the stuff you sent me.

First; I researched S. Korea as much as I could while making the patch, but ran into a problem that most of the sites with info were in Korean. I will use as much of the information you sent me as possible in V1.3

1) The action photo's I suppose are so I could update some of the player looks, remember NBA live 2000 is very limited in the creator player looks, but I will do what I can. Some are very accurate and a few others I will change around.
The player headshots I will keep and maybe make a couple cyberfaces of Korean players in the future.

2) The choice of players: A lot of people have asked me about this, well I left a thread in February about this, and also in Version 1.3 I copied that into the readme. For the 16 teams that were at the WC2002 in Indianapolis
this summer there rosters are accurate and for the other 16 teams I used a mix between the National Team that was at their previous showing for a World championship and some of the best NBA and European players that country had to offer. I have gone over the Excel list you sent me and maybe a couple of these other guys I will add.

3) Your spreadsheet and readme list: Your ratings look good......... but NBA live 2000 has its faults so in the roster I had to raise some ratings and lower some others to get better game play. I have a formula that I use for Primacy, blocks, steals and other things. I will change some of the original roster if your ratings are drastically different from mine, but if not they will stay the same. The reason for this is I need the ratings to stay close to what they are so to coincide with the rest of the league.
I will definitely use your scoring areas and tips on individual players; e.g. "JS Kim block rating should be higher"

I will check the weight, height, spelling of names and D.O.B, but the NBA exp. refers to only years in the NBA and also the jersey numbers have to be between 1-15 for Fiba play.

David

[d3vilm4n]

Its great to see the patch is being updated, hopefully you'll still be working on it when two teammates of mine (Mate Yukich, starter NZ under18 played with him for 5 yrs and Morgan Lundon, NZ under 16 and current Rutherford HS team mate) make the Tallblacks!!

I will update some jerseys soon, havent got a lot of time though, my team is training Mon,Wed,Thu,Sun and we have games on Tuesday and Friday + we will be starting morning trainings and I also have musical commitments (band with some teammmates and this dude from the third best Maori Culture group in the biggest polynesian city in the world)

[drummond]

First; I researched S. Korea as much as I could while making the patch, but ran into a problem that most of the sites with info were in Korean. I will use as much of the information you sent me as possible in V1.3

Yes, I knew from the patch, you needed much time and enthusiasm to work on it. Because I don't watch KBL so much as I watch NBA or related news, I didn't know how hard to gather statistics and info about local palyers. As I work on gathering infos and stats on our players, it was frustrating for me too. KBL has only 02-03 stats and limited amount of information. And most of they are not written in English either. And to get all the stats from the other international teams would not be easy for you either. I can imagine that now.

I joined the local usergroup to gather information and luckily found some more background information but some may not be 100% accurate. Anyway I'm just honored that I can be of any help to boost NT patch even though what i can do is limited to Korean team.

1) The action photo's I suppose are so I could update some of the player looks, remember NBA live 2000 is very limited in the creator player looks, but I will do what I can. Some are very accurate and a few others I will change around.
The player headshots I will keep and maybe make a couple cyberfaces of Korean players in the future.

I understand the limit in creating player looks. I thought those photos will be needed for newly added players if you add one and other pics too. Action photos are included because they are for their body type and the headshot only can be very confusing to you. They almost look alike right? Even to me, yes.

And for cyberfaces, that would be really great. thank you.

2) The choice of players: A lot of people have asked me about this, well I left a thread in February about this, and also in Version 1.3 I copied that into the readme. For the 16 teams that were at the WC2002 in Indianapolis this summer there rosters are accurate and for the other 16 teams I used a mix between the National Team that was at their previous showing for a World championship and some of the best NBA and European players that country had to offer. I have gone over the Excel list you sent me and maybe a couple of these other guys I will add.

I understand. The rosters were my thoughts and for your reference only.

the NBA exp. refers to only years in the NBA and also the jersey numbers have to be between 1-15 for Fiba play.
David

My apologies. hehe.
Keep your good work.

drummond

[nikolass127]

Some Problems

First
When I simulate a season always USA finish the season without losing any game, I think that should be corrected.

Second
The MVP of the seasons and the ALL NBA Team always goes to players from Algeria, Angola or Uruguay and never to players from Argentina, USA or Yugoslavia.

Third
The FIBA Numbers are 4-15 and the reserves wear 16 to 19.

Fourth
Sometimes when I simulate a season it appears an error that says Team not found or something like that

But is the best NBA Live path I ve played.

[hetoft]

But is the best NBA Live path I ve played.

You're right! Very great job David!

[Dirtdog1- David]

Thanks, For the compliments. Most of the things you are describing are NBA Live 2000 issues.

1) There is no way i could change how the computer simulates the season, i just did all players to how good they are, there is no way i could in-corparate the lack luster, couldn't care less if they won or not attitude that the US had at the 2002 WC in Indianapolis. When testing the roster, i simulated several seasons and never did the US go un-defeated. Most of the time they lost between 2-4 games and one time even 7. Yugoslavia and Germany would always give them a run for the championship.

2) I don't know the answer to this, i noticed this also. I think EA sports and Live 2000 just don't take into consideration the whole picture and what a player is doing in all stat catagories. This again is a NBA Live 2000 issue.

3) I numbered all the guys from 0-15, i don't know why the reserve players are not being numbered in this manner. I haven't noticed this, but then again i haven't looked for it either. If you check the roster you will see that the numbers are from 1-15. This is probably one of those EA sports glitches; there is nothing i can do about this.

4) I have noticed this in every roster i have ever played. From the NCAA to the NBA roster, i don't know what this is, and don't know how to fix it. I do know that all the teams are present in all the roster. dbf files. You will get this error if you try to sim using the allstar teams including in the season, but besides that i have not seen that error in my roster.

Thanks,


David

[nikolass127]

David, I forgot to tell you that I make an update for your roster.
I fixed all the jersey numbers for the teams that played the WBC and the starting lineups.
If you want I can send you an email with the players.dbf.

nikolass

[Dirtdog1- David]

No, I would rather update everything by myself. Sorry If you have some info just send me an E-mail with that info i will do the chenges myself. Yes some of the numbers could be wrong, but they are all between 0-15.

David

[drummond]

I introduced Alexsite and the NT patch to some members of the other forum.

One of them tried to install the latest patch but came up with the error "Nba Live Exception Handler: Unhandled Excrption 0XC0000005 Occurred At Address 0x004D903E.".

Does this mean anything and can this be solved?

[alexboom]

i can't help drummond problem but i spotted few things :

- Jermaine O'Neal body color is 5. But his original cyberface color is 4 (you may have got a patch for this player David, ain't it ? ) Maybe it could be corrected ?
- Radoslav Nesterovic has a generic cyberface in the game (i saw that the one in the slovenian roster had been created a second time) but he is already in the original game with a cyberface !
- original players and FA's shall be deleted !!!! (I tryed a practice by mistake with tim duncan and the game crashed, and it would be better without any free agents, except the Non-US (but players like Carl Herrera are both in the FA's and in the Venezuelan roster)

that's all for the moment
I LOVE this patch !!!!

[Dirtdog1- David]

Alex, I am glad you have finally played and like it.
Well Jermaine O'neal in real life is definitely a 5 color, is he a 4 originally; I didn't know this? Well I have seen 3 faces for Jermaine, and all have been a 5 color, (by the way with T-Mac’s being the best). I will change this so people without the faces could have him as a 4.

Thanks for noticing the Nestorivic, I will change that for the new version.

The FA's: I have plans to delete all the F.A., but have not as of yet because of a couple of problems I encountered, and don't want to create crashes. I will do this in a future version; just it won't make this version 1.4.


David

[alexboom]

still playing the NT patch, still thinking it's amazing !!!

I've spotted 3 things :
- i'm playing with france and i think that in the starting lineup bilba should change his position with digbeu. i think digbeu is a better sf and bilba much more made as a pf
- i've seen shawn bradley in germany team has he really got the german nationality ? did he play for germany ? i was wondering cause i didn't see him on the roster in the 2002 wbc tournament
- and a suggestion : what about changing the schools.dbf so that when the game shows the college we can see the professionnal team the player is playing for ? (ie Juan Carlos Navarro playing for Real Madrid instead of seeing nothing or just "spain") i know it's a huge work David, i don't know if schools.dbf can be easily edited without crashing, but i can help you if you want