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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby joosegoose on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:20 am

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Dregos wrote:I find it to be complete BS that it isn't out yet to be honest. 2K charges the same retail price for the PC version yet we only get a very minimal service.


Actually, if you count the hotfixes, PC has actually gotten more support than the consoles.


That's like going to a restaurant and ordering the same meal as the guy at the other table, but because your meal came incomplete and you had to wait for other servers/management to fix what they screwed up, you say you got better/more service.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby TBM on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:36 am

No, it isn't. The argument was about how PS4 gets more support when things don't work than PC, when the opposite is true. 2K didn't not release the patch for PC yet because they don't care to, or because it slipped their mind. Obviously, as Leftos said, there have been problems. Based on the fact that the depot was updated today, they're trying to get things working. PC isn't as simple to patch as the consoles, because of how many different configurations people have. It's an apples to oranges comparison when you try to say "well, PS4 has the patch". Yeah, because the PS4 is one single configuration. It's significantly easier to fix problems on PS4.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby Dregos on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:58 am

There has been one performance patch for PC and one "hotfix" to fix the newly broken elements that first patch presented. The game still runs like ass for me on my decent rig. I have to turn the resolution down a notch just to get stable fps. It sounds like 2K needs to invest more heavily in the PC dev department if it takes this long. Or just sell it for a cheaper price...
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby joosegoose on Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:18 pm

TBM wrote:The argument was about how PS4 gets more support when things don't work than PC, when the opposite is true.


The argument was "2K charges the same retail price for the PC version yet we only get a very minimal service," so I'd say you're paraphrasing a tad. Also, using the hotfixes to essentially say PC support is technically above and beyond the consoles' is a bit of a red herring as the hotfixes only exist to correct PC-specific problems (aka having problems with only your specific meal at the restaurant) in the first place.

Nobody is accusing 2k of purposely withholding a patch or somehow forgetting about it, but the fact of the matter is we have had an objectively inferior game compared to the consoles ever since release, yet all 3 platforms carried the same price. They have been working their best to right the wrongs and earn some goodwill for that, but that doesn't change how things were in the first place.

The multiple configurations point holds some weight, but some of the PC-only issues were so obvious out of the box and consistent for every single configuration. It's understandable that getting everything exactly right might take a bit more time (though why promise the same release date and not push things back?), but some issues were akin to completely forgetting to bring out any drinks or dinner rolls to the entire table, when every other table in the restaurant got everything properly.

As I've said previously, it's been 2 weeks since this patch was released on PS4 and likely closer to 3 weeks since it was submitted for both consoles. It's certainly not an apples to apples comparison like you said, but that is a hefty difference in time for identically-priced versions of the game. And, not to knock Leftos (as I'm certain that he sincerely has nothing new he's allowed to pass on yet), but we don't even have an estimation for a release yet. Things would be completely hectic if it were the other way around and one of the consoles was dealing with this.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby Lagoa on Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:34 pm

It´s a JOKE, NBA season starts today and PC game are crap....

Leftos disapears, nice! 2k, good work! ;)
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby TBM on Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:34 pm

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TBM wrote:The argument was about how PS4 gets more support when things don't work than PC, when the opposite is true.


The argument was "2K charges the same retail price for the PC version yet we only get a very minimal service," so I'd say you're paraphrasing a tad. Also, using the hotfixes to essentially say PC support is technically above and beyond the consoles' is a bit of a red herring as the hotfixes only exist to correct PC-specific problems (aka having problems with only your specific meal at the restaurant) in the first place.

Nobody is accusing 2k of purposely withholding a patch or somehow forgetting about it, but the fact of the matter is we have had an objectively inferior game compared to the consoles ever since release, yet all 3 platforms carried the same price. They have been working their best to right the wrongs and earn some goodwill for that, but that doesn't change how things were in the first place.

The multiple configurations point holds some weight, but some of the PC-only issues were so obvious out of the box and consistent for every single configuration. It's understandable that getting everything exactly right might take a bit more time (though why promise the same release date and not push things back?), but some issues were akin to completely forgetting to bring out any drinks or dinner rolls to the entire table, when every other table in the restaurant got everything properly.

As I've said previously, it's been 2 weeks since this patch was released on PS4 and likely closer to 3 weeks since it was submitted for both consoles. It's certainly not an apples to apples comparison like you said, but that is a hefty difference in time for identically-priced versions of the game. And, not to knock Leftos (as I'm certain that he sincerely has nothing new he's allowed to pass on yet), but we don't even have an estimation for a release yet. Things would be completely hectic if it were the other way around and one of the consoles was dealing with this.


Don't get me wrong, yes, it's fucked up. The game shouldn't have these optimization problems. It's really bad on their end. I'm not trying to excuse the problems, I'm just saying that they're trying to fix them. Maybe they need to increase the size of their PC team.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby joosegoose on Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:37 pm

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joosegoose wrote:
TBM wrote:The argument was about how PS4 gets more support when things don't work than PC, when the opposite is true.


The argument was "2K charges the same retail price for the PC version yet we only get a very minimal service," so I'd say you're paraphrasing a tad. Also, using the hotfixes to essentially say PC support is technically above and beyond the consoles' is a bit of a red herring as the hotfixes only exist to correct PC-specific problems (aka having problems with only your specific meal at the restaurant) in the first place.

Nobody is accusing 2k of purposely withholding a patch or somehow forgetting about it, but the fact of the matter is we have had an objectively inferior game compared to the consoles ever since release, yet all 3 platforms carried the same price. They have been working their best to right the wrongs and earn some goodwill for that, but that doesn't change how things were in the first place.

The multiple configurations point holds some weight, but some of the PC-only issues were so obvious out of the box and consistent for every single configuration. It's understandable that getting everything exactly right might take a bit more time (though why promise the same release date and not push things back?), but some issues were akin to completely forgetting to bring out any drinks or dinner rolls to the entire table, when every other table in the restaurant got everything properly.

As I've said previously, it's been 2 weeks since this patch was released on PS4 and likely closer to 3 weeks since it was submitted for both consoles. It's certainly not an apples to apples comparison like you said, but that is a hefty difference in time for identically-priced versions of the game. And, not to knock Leftos (as I'm certain that he sincerely has nothing new he's allowed to pass on yet), but we don't even have an estimation for a release yet. Things would be completely hectic if it were the other way around and one of the consoles was dealing with this.


Don't get me wrong, yes, it's fucked up. The game shouldn't have these optimization problems. It's really bad on their end. I'm not trying to excuse the problems, I'm just saying that they're trying to fix them. Maybe they need to increase the size of their PC team.


Fair enough, no disagreement there.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby senhorxxx on Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:42 pm

joosegoose wrote:
TBM wrote:The argument was about how PS4 gets more support when things don't work than PC, when the opposite is true.


The argument was "2K charges the same retail price for the PC version yet we only get a very minimal service," so I'd say you're paraphrasing a tad. Also, using the hotfixes to essentially say PC support is technically above and beyond the consoles' is a bit of a red herring as the hotfixes only exist to correct PC-specific problems (aka having problems with only your specific meal at the restaurant) in the first place.

Nobody is accusing 2k of purposely withholding a patch or somehow forgetting about it, but the fact of the matter is we have had an objectively inferior game compared to the consoles ever since release, yet all 3 platforms carried the same price. They have been working their best to right the wrongs and earn some goodwill for that, but that doesn't change how things were in the first place.

The multiple configurations point holds some weight, but some of the PC-only issues were so obvious out of the box and consistent for every single configuration. It's understandable that getting everything exactly right might take a bit more time (though why promise the same release date and not push things back?), but some issues were akin to completely forgetting to bring out any drinks or dinner rolls to the entire table, when every other table in the restaurant got everything properly.

As I've said previously, it's been 2 weeks since this patch was released on PS4 and likely closer to 3 weeks since it was submitted for both consoles. It's certainly not an apples to apples comparison like you said, but that is a hefty difference in time for identically-priced versions of the game. And, not to knock Leftos (as I'm certain that he sincerely has nothing new he's allowed to pass on yet), but we don't even have an estimation for a release yet. Things would be completely hectic if it were the other way around and one of the consoles was dealing with this.



Inferior game (PC) compared to the consoles ??
Why ??
The game runs fine at max settings in my PC.
Better than consoles versions, included without crashs at moment.



I believe in the work of 2K, I think the patch (for PC) arrives soon, I think that support for the PC platform is being considered by 2K, I hope they continue to make future versions of the NBA 2K to the PC because this game is the best sports video games ever.
The game this year came with more bugs than previous years, but I believe in 2K's effort to fix the problems, something that has already occurred with the first patches at least for me.

Like Leftos support, a worker, they are taking a break because the moment is working on the patch, no use getting making excuses.
I hope that when the game is 100% or close to it (every game has a little problem here or there) people who opined negatively on Steam reconsider their evaluation (if possible, something I do not know, I have 50 games in Steam but never written a evaluation, will do this year for the NBA 2K) as it is a great sport game that is not found another equal in quality and depth.


My regard for the 2K work is such that very much hope that they come back to make a game based on NHL Hockey for major platforms (PS4, X1 and especially PC).
Leftos, tells the guys there to make an NHL 2K game as we look forward to return to play hockey on the PC.
NHL 2K for PC please.

Of course finishes do the job properly in the NBA 2K PC version.

Thanks and sorry for the bad English
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby TBM on Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:57 pm

NHL 2K doesn't even exist anymore. :lol:
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby senhorxxx on Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:03 pm

TBM wrote:NHL 2K doesn't even exist anymore. :lol:


Yes I know.
But I'm asking to revive the series, as the EA's NHL is not good. Some people prefer to play an NHL 2004 moded, for you to see the level of current NHLs EA.
NHL 2K10 was very good, it would be really cool that 2K back to do this kind of game.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby joosegoose on Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:37 pm

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joosegoose wrote:
TBM wrote:The argument was about how PS4 gets more support when things don't work than PC, when the opposite is true.


The argument was "2K charges the same retail price for the PC version yet we only get a very minimal service," so I'd say you're paraphrasing a tad. Also, using the hotfixes to essentially say PC support is technically above and beyond the consoles' is a bit of a red herring as the hotfixes only exist to correct PC-specific problems (aka having problems with only your specific meal at the restaurant) in the first place.

Nobody is accusing 2k of purposely withholding a patch or somehow forgetting about it, but the fact of the matter is we have had an objectively inferior game compared to the consoles ever since release, yet all 3 platforms carried the same price. They have been working their best to right the wrongs and earn some goodwill for that, but that doesn't change how things were in the first place.

The multiple configurations point holds some weight, but some of the PC-only issues were so obvious out of the box and consistent for every single configuration. It's understandable that getting everything exactly right might take a bit more time (though why promise the same release date and not push things back?), but some issues were akin to completely forgetting to bring out any drinks or dinner rolls to the entire table, when every other table in the restaurant got everything properly.

As I've said previously, it's been 2 weeks since this patch was released on PS4 and likely closer to 3 weeks since it was submitted for both consoles. It's certainly not an apples to apples comparison like you said, but that is a hefty difference in time for identically-priced versions of the game. And, not to knock Leftos (as I'm certain that he sincerely has nothing new he's allowed to pass on yet), but we don't even have an estimation for a release yet. Things would be completely hectic if it were the other way around and one of the consoles was dealing with this.



Inferior game (PC) compared to the consoles ??
Why ??
The game runs fine at max settings in my PC.
Better than consoles versions, included without crashs at moment.


Plenty of reasons. For starters, both consoles have this patch already (which means working Pro-Am, among others). PC doesn't.

Consoles have working commentary. PC doesn't.
Consoles have not had issues with player icons at any point. Not so for PC.
Those are just the objective issues that are/were common across all configurations. That's off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. The only objective benefit you get from PC (that I am aware of) is if you can max out this game at a resolution higher than 1080p while maintaining stable 60 fps, and I would wager that applies to a very small fraction of us.

Also, I'm glad to hear the game runs fine at max settings for yourself. That's not the case for many of us though, some of us are getting markedly worse performance than 2k15 and are struggling to run this game smoothly whatsoever. Please don't assume the game runs great for everyone just because it does on your system.

I don't mean to sound like I am bashing the entire 2k/VC team. They're earning points by trying to fix things but that still doesn't erase the experience up to this point, which has been subpar to say the least. I am one of those "negative" Steam reviews, and I cannot wait for the day when I can update my review and recommend the product. Cannot recommend it in it's current state, however.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby qbas on Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:44 pm

Only 40% positive reviews on steam means something. Game needs a patch, we are waiting, waiting, waiting... This is a month after game release and commentary problem still not solved. Players on mycareer HS and college games are still trying to get rebound after first of two free throws (at least its funny:D) So many bugs and not even one repaired :applaud: Worst support ever, I cant recommend this shit to anyone and my review cant be positive. I had nearly 2000 (!) hours in 2k15, Im big 2k fan but right now cant play this BETA 2k16 crap no more.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby ThePointForward on Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:46 pm

Steam reviews gotta be taken with a grain of salt.

Lots of reviews are based solely on these arguments:
  • Banned for "nothing" (riiiight)
  • Virtual Currency (like the game forces players to buy it)
  • It's too hard on higher difficulties - AI must be cheating, because reviewer can't be making bad choices, right?
  • No official keyboard support (gamepad is in minimal requirements)
  • MyCareer story (like it can't be skipped)
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby MaxMBox on Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:25 pm

qbas wrote:Players on mycareer HS and college games are still trying to get rebound after first of two free throws (at least its funny:D)

Maybe it's because in HS and college players shooting not shooting fouls using 1+1 scheme?
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:25 pm

Dommy73 wrote:Steam reviews gotta be taken with a grain of salt.

Lots of reviews are based solely on these arguments:
  • Banned for "nothing" (riiiight)
  • Virtual Currency (like the game forces players to buy it)
  • It's too hard on higher difficulties - AI must be cheating, because reviewer can't be making bad choices, right?
  • No official keyboard support (gamepad is in minimal requirements)
  • MyCareer story (like it can't be skipped)


I think the MyCAREER story is a legitimate criticism. I'd tend to agree with the rest, though. While there should be better keyboard support - or at the very least, the keyboard functionality that is available shouldn't be glitchy - basketball games have been designed with dual analog gamepads in mind for over a decade now. Even if the keyboard controls are working properly, they're not going to be optimal.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby ThePointForward on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:55 pm

Well, the point was that 2K added gamepad to minimal requirement, so there is no obligation to support keyboard.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby qbas on Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:14 am

MaxMBox You are right about free throws in USA High School, lol I had no idea about it man. Dommy73 they can EASLY implement keyboard support, pls stop defending lazy devs. Its PC game and at least simple keyboard functionality is an OBLIGATION. Im playing on Xbox controller but i dont want to go in the direction where PC games are not supporting keyboards, thats just bs. And I honestly agree with people about all those problems like MyCareer unskippable story (why u cant start MC full first season without that shit? yes its unskippable), terrible optimization, still bad servers(trash netcode...) and huge amount of gameplay bugs. People are not complaining about beeing banned that much, I see more bad reviews about no anti-cheat system and I dont see much about high difficulty either. Dommy I see You doing your best to defend 2K, but bruh You need to open your eyes a bit ;)
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby ThePointForward on Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:19 am

Simple keyboard functionality is implemented - you just can't change the key bindings.

You can be unsatisfied with it, but you can't say "this game sucks because it doesn't allow me to change my keyboard bindings". Not to mention you can do that outside the game.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby MaxMBox on Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:36 pm

qbas wrote:Dommy I see You doing your best to defend 2K, but bruh You need to open your eyes a bit ;)


I don't think Dommy73 tries to defend 2K. I think he just trying to say that not the whole words in complains are true bugs (like FT in college, you're not the one who complains about it) or worth mentioning (like cheaters who complains from "why I'm banned I don't do anything" to "this is my copy of the game, I can do whatever I want with it so unbann me or F**k 2K I won't buy any of your games"). Patches for PC are always a bit harder to produce comparing with patches for consoles because of different combinations of hardware. Some bugs are noticeable and easy to fix, some bugs are even hard to reproduce because of different hardware\software combinations. For example I never had bug with passing icons. they are always work for me. Commentaries are some flowing bug too. One day they can disappear one time in 4 games for short period of time, the other day they drops every quarter and even during pre-game show. Such type of bugs are hard to catch and because of this not so easy to fix.

Stuttering is the other story for me. I got GF 550Ti 1Gb GPU. I set almost all to high except crowd (med). I don't have stable 60 FPS but I can live with this and the game is pretty playable for me. And no stuttering. In some treat I saw 'Texture quality - High' is recommended only for GPUs with more then 3Gb VRAM. I change it to medium and FPS became more stable and closer to 60 but I gonna have to say "Hello" to stuttering. I decided that if I should choose between stuttering and a bit lower FPS then go to hell stuttering and set texture quality back to high.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the game as much as I could 'cuz there are other bugs for me. More then that during the last two days the game is almost unplayable for me because of delays in control and some strange changings in gameplay (there is other tread in the forum about this). But in other side I have more time for my wife and 10-month daughter and we're watching Bones TV Series from the 1st season (@3rd now) :roll:
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby ThePointForward on Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:22 pm

Oh, I missed that part (happens with unformatted text).

I'm not defending 2K, I just don't like when people cherry pick facts to support their argument and totally ignore those that do not support it.

Plus as a software dev I do have some sympathy for VC devs - everybody seems to think every feature and every bug fix is trivial.
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby Lagoa on Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:52 am

"real bugs"? what a joke guys....

Games need to be release without any fucking bug!

Repetitive bugs are WRONG! Look, Random bugs happen all the time and this is not a problem. "Ahhh, my game not start 2nd quarter for the fisrt time of my life, for 2 times....ok, it´s acceptable.

But repetitive bugs? IT´S UNACCEPTABLE, AND 2k ARE WRONG, release a BETA GAME, and now, after 5 weeks of release, DONT fix this bugs, THIS IS WRONG. simple like that!

And for "real bugs" i´m sorry, for me, SWEAT and NO FATIGUE is a REAL BUG, and i pay the same of you guys, who do not think that's a bug.

"real bug".... lol
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby TBM on Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:27 am

Dommy73 wrote:Well, the point was that 2K added gamepad to minimal requirement, so there is no obligation to support keyboard.


No matter how many times anyone mentions the minimum requirements, the keyboard users will just ignore it. :lol:
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby ppedro123 on Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:53 am

Man, how about a patch fixing the CPU's pick and roll defense?

Its simply so easy to kill the CPU using the screens, the big man always rolls to the basket with ease.

Everygame i have like 80pts in the paint, even on HOF

This makes the game unplayable, its crazy

I've tried to adjust the sliders many times, but its simply too easy to score from a pick & roll in this game
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby joosegoose on Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:57 am

ppedro123 wrote:Man, how about a patch fixing the CPU's pick and roll defense?

Its simply so easy to kill the CPU using the screens, the big man always rolls to the basket with ease.

Everygame i have like 80pts in the paint, even on HOF

This makes the game unplayable, its crazy

I've tried to adjust the sliders many times, but its simply too easy to score from a pick & roll in this game


This will almost surely be tackled as best as possible for the gameplay patch coming in late November for consoles (hopefully around the same time for PC).
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Re: Patch out for PS4, (PC release????)

Postby Leftos on Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:09 am

I haven't disappeared. I've just been way too busy working on both PC-specific fixes for Patch 2, further improvements for Patch 3 and completing my first features for 2K17. I'm not a community representative, this isn't part of my job description. I hang out at the NLSC and gather as much information to pass on to the team and reach out to you guys because I love NBA 2K and I love the PC version, and I feel obligated to keep in touch with my stomping grounds. However, this is a side gig that I spend time on when I have free time.

Again, we're pushing to get Patch 2 out for PC as soon as possible, and we've made sure to include another slew of PC-specific fixes and optimizations. I don't have a specific ETA, but we're getting very close. I'm sorry I can't be more specific.
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