Re: .
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:43 am
Redacted
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Re: .
Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:49 pm
You are stealing and afterwards misleading so what do you think you deserve? Stop whining like a little child about beginner's mistakes and start being transparent.
Re: .
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:36 pm
I hope you boys can work all of this out because the title of this topic really bothers my OCD 
Re: .
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:41 am
WithAuthority wrote:I hope you boys can work all of this out because the title of this topic really bothers my OCD
Agreed. I'd like to see this thread opened back up/title changed back.
It gives me anxiety. Sko and Slimm have way too much passion to just let the project go like that, I figure it's just a matter of time.
Re: .
Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:14 pm
To NLSC Community,
I just want to personally apologize for all that has played out in your forums. Please understand that at no point have I been an instigator nor have I condoned such topics being discussed in public forum. The only reason my responses were in public forum is because I was addressed in public forum. I know there is alot to sort through but id like to tell you all personally why all this has unfolded...
In March of 2017 I made a personal update to UBR consisting of an updated 2016 season and an added 2017 season with a focus on realistic stat outputs. Seeing that UBR was quiet for almost 2 years at that point, I decided to share it with the community. I called it the "unofficial UBR V40 update". In the process of doing my rosters, I used URB's 2017 player tab and staff tab as bases in my 2017 UBR roster. I knew enough (so I thought) about crediting rules on this site, so I tried to make both roster files as different as possible although there were many fields I didn't feel were too important so I left them untouched. I now know these fields I once thought to be residual, unimportant fields are actually fields that make Slimm44's work as unique as it is. My apologies to you Slimm44.
The things I deemed important, specifically ratings and tendencies that affect statistical outputs, I came up with all of my own formulas. I stand by that to this day. This is evident in the pics Slimm44 last posted comparing mine and his rosters.
As you can see, the following fields, the only feilds I deemed important to statistical outputs are all completely different between mine and his rosters:
Shot Close, Shot Medium, 3 pt shot, Standing Layup, Layup, Dunk, Off/Def Rebounds, Steals, Blocks, Off Awareness, Def Awareness, Durability and potential ratings are all my very own ratings that I calculated.
As for tendencies:
Take Shot, Inside, Close, Medium, 3pt, touches, commit fouls and draw fouls are all my very own calculated tendencies as well.
As you can see in his screenshots, me and Slimm44 have some very different philosophies when it comes to those specific ratings and tendencies, which again, are the only ratings and tendencies I deemed important enough to my work. I still also stand by the fact that these are the only ratings and tendencies that make my stat outputs possible.
I honestly was under the impression that me changing all of that info in a roster constituted making it my own so long as I gave credit. Having that knowledge, I gave credit to Slimm44 when I planned a release back in April of 2017 and explicitly said that if he or anyone else had a problem with me using their work to let me know and I would gladly remove it. Slimm44 saw that post, evident by the fact that in the very next post beneath my announcement, he recruited me to help him with his retro rosters for URB. In his post he even said "more power to you" if I chose to continue to update UBR. I implore anyone to go to page 226 of the UBR thread to verify this. This was April 2017.
Shortly after this, I began to work with him on his URB retro rosters, which I simply helped him plug in stats from basketball reference into his spreadsheets. He never coached me or told me how his ratings and formulas work. I also told him, unprompted, that I would not share we were working on together which was the retro rosters and still to do this day I have complied. In the midst of working with him, I released my completed 2016 and an unfinished 2017 roster (ratings were the same as 2016 with only new players added) for UBR. Slimm44 saw this and still never said anything about me using his work for those specific rosters.
A few weeks after my release in April of 2017 and in the midst of still working with him on his retro rosters for URB, my personal life took a bad turn. I disappeared mid URB retro roster project and completely ceased communication from him and from NLSC. This was May 2017. I hadn't posted a thing on here since nor have I been on NLSC since.
Fast forward to the last week of June 2018, a month ago when Hawk23 returned, I happened to visit the site. Seeing Hawk23 was back, I was excited. I logged in and saw I had a message from him. His message asked if I ever completed my 2017 roster. I told him infact I did. I explained to him even though I didn't release it, I had a personal version of my 2017 roster with my own updated ratings and tendencies for that season. It being a year before in May of 2017 when I completed that roster and me thinking I properly credited Slimm44 at that time anyway, I thought nothing more of it.
From there, Hawk23 used my 2017 roster as a base for his 2018 and 2019 rosters. That's how URBs staff tab and a good amount not all ratings and tendencies got into all 3 seasons of UBR from 2017-19. I have not touched the 2018 and 2019 rosters for UBR to this day with the exception of the jersey tabs.
This wasnt some mass copying and pasting scandal some of you are making it out to be. This was simply a rookie modder who thought he properly credited someone for using his work in one single roster and didn't think to change what he considered residual ratings in RedMC. Big mistake on my part. I was in the wrong. I have no problem owning up to that. I know what's acceptable now. A little too late now I guess though.
When this was brought to my attention weeks ago on the UBR thread, I wasn't even sure what specifically was Slimm44's problem because he never specifically stated. Once he finally gave me a reason, the staff tabs, weeks after the first situation on the UBR thread, I corrected the staff tabs immediately. Me and him talked in private and I thought we were cool. I wasn't expecting to be publicly aired out for a matter I thought we already handled in private.
I also corrected the players tabs from 2016-2019 since all this came to my attention just yesterday. Im trying to make it right at every turn. I even told Slimm44 personally, over a week ago to do a one over on UBR and to let me know if there were any other similarities/copy work in both mods and if so I'd fix them. We talked and I thought we had an understanding. Apparently not though...
Just know I busted my ass coming up with ratings and tendencies that produce the sim stats that my rosters do. Again, sim stats were my main focus. That was many hours of my own work, my own testing down the drain now because I didn't know it would be a problem, a year later, after I thought I credited Slimm44 properly already, using his player and staff tabs as a base and not changing every single residual field.
Also, know that my updates weren't strictly roster related and took hours of work on my end. The Jerseys, the courts, the cyberfaces, the missing players, the ratings and tendencies (I thought to be the only ones of importance) were all updated by me (using others art files of course). It's a shame all of that hard work is down the drain now, because of honest oversights I should've been more aware of. I blame no one for that but me. I am not the victim here, if anyone is it's Slimm44 who is rightfully upset.
As you all can see, I have redacted every single post of mine on both the URB and UBR thread from this year, as if I never returned this year. I've already sent Hawk23 the correct, updated, "not a stitch of URB" staff tabs for UBR 2016-2019. It's up to him if he uses them or not. I will attach links below to my updated staff tabs for UBR for you all to approve and to ensure none of the work is the same anymore. Ive also gave all coaches their accurate contracts and years experience using my own research. I have also created my own formulas to calculate coaches ratings and will attach that spreadsheet below as well. I vow to show all of my work, pre release from now on to ensure transparency if allowed to stick around. Hopefully from there you all will see the depth of my own capabilities.
I also have updated player tabs for 2016-2019 I'm working on, with not a stitch of URBs work. Those will be shown, pre release as well if given the chance. However, I have a feeling, even if I'm not banned from NLSC, Hawk23 will not work with me anymore to protect the integrity of his mod. I'm sure any mention of my work will be removed from UBR and I'm sure he will redo the rosters on his own. This is a challenge he will willingly take on and come out even better from. Same for URB.
So you all can go back to business as usual. No need to penalize your supporters on account of little ol' me. I am not nor was I ever that important. You got your wish, im most likely gone for good and UBR will not have any of your work in it going forward.
Specifically, my apologies to you Slimm44. You're the king. The best there ever was and the best there ever will be. Just know I never meant to hurt or personally deceive you. I would've owned up to anything had I known or remembered. I considered you a friend and thought we had an open line of communication for you to express any such concerns to me. I'm very sorry because I see now we obviously we didn't have that understanding and I must've really crossed the line for you to say we were good in private and then air me out in public. I cannot apologize enough.
Also, my apologies to Hawk23. He had nothing to do with any of this. I can only imagine returning after a 3 year hiatus to this big mess. Him and the rest of the UBR contributors do not deserve to have all of their hard work negated. My 2 seasons I contributed are a drop in the bucket compared to all they've done for UBR. It's not fair that UBRs good name got entangled in any of this. For that, I am truly sorry.
I deserve all of this and I'm sorry for letting you all down.
- Nyflava2k9 out!
Updated/Corrected 2016 UBR Staff tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Updated/Corrected 2017 UBR Staff tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Updated/Corrected 2018 UBR Staff tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Updated/Corrected 2019 UBR Staff tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Nyflava2k9 UBR 2016 Coaches calculator:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Nyflava2k9 UBR 2017 Players calculator:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
I just want to personally apologize for all that has played out in your forums. Please understand that at no point have I been an instigator nor have I condoned such topics being discussed in public forum. The only reason my responses were in public forum is because I was addressed in public forum. I know there is alot to sort through but id like to tell you all personally why all this has unfolded...
In March of 2017 I made a personal update to UBR consisting of an updated 2016 season and an added 2017 season with a focus on realistic stat outputs. Seeing that UBR was quiet for almost 2 years at that point, I decided to share it with the community. I called it the "unofficial UBR V40 update". In the process of doing my rosters, I used URB's 2017 player tab and staff tab as bases in my 2017 UBR roster. I knew enough (so I thought) about crediting rules on this site, so I tried to make both roster files as different as possible although there were many fields I didn't feel were too important so I left them untouched. I now know these fields I once thought to be residual, unimportant fields are actually fields that make Slimm44's work as unique as it is. My apologies to you Slimm44.
The things I deemed important, specifically ratings and tendencies that affect statistical outputs, I came up with all of my own formulas. I stand by that to this day. This is evident in the pics Slimm44 last posted comparing mine and his rosters.
As you can see, the following fields, the only feilds I deemed important to statistical outputs are all completely different between mine and his rosters:
Shot Close, Shot Medium, 3 pt shot, Standing Layup, Layup, Dunk, Off/Def Rebounds, Steals, Blocks, Off Awareness, Def Awareness, Durability and potential ratings are all my very own ratings that I calculated.
As for tendencies:
Take Shot, Inside, Close, Medium, 3pt, touches, commit fouls and draw fouls are all my very own calculated tendencies as well.
As you can see in his screenshots, me and Slimm44 have some very different philosophies when it comes to those specific ratings and tendencies, which again, are the only ratings and tendencies I deemed important enough to my work. I still also stand by the fact that these are the only ratings and tendencies that make my stat outputs possible.
I honestly was under the impression that me changing all of that info in a roster constituted making it my own so long as I gave credit. Having that knowledge, I gave credit to Slimm44 when I planned a release back in April of 2017 and explicitly said that if he or anyone else had a problem with me using their work to let me know and I would gladly remove it. Slimm44 saw that post, evident by the fact that in the very next post beneath my announcement, he recruited me to help him with his retro rosters for URB. In his post he even said "more power to you" if I chose to continue to update UBR. I implore anyone to go to page 226 of the UBR thread to verify this. This was April 2017.
Shortly after this, I began to work with him on his URB retro rosters, which I simply helped him plug in stats from basketball reference into his spreadsheets. He never coached me or told me how his ratings and formulas work. I also told him, unprompted, that I would not share we were working on together which was the retro rosters and still to do this day I have complied. In the midst of working with him, I released my completed 2016 and an unfinished 2017 roster (ratings were the same as 2016 with only new players added) for UBR. Slimm44 saw this and still never said anything about me using his work for those specific rosters.
A few weeks after my release in April of 2017 and in the midst of still working with him on his retro rosters for URB, my personal life took a bad turn. I disappeared mid URB retro roster project and completely ceased communication from him and from NLSC. This was May 2017. I hadn't posted a thing on here since nor have I been on NLSC since.
Fast forward to the last week of June 2018, a month ago when Hawk23 returned, I happened to visit the site. Seeing Hawk23 was back, I was excited. I logged in and saw I had a message from him. His message asked if I ever completed my 2017 roster. I told him infact I did. I explained to him even though I didn't release it, I had a personal version of my 2017 roster with my own updated ratings and tendencies for that season. It being a year before in May of 2017 when I completed that roster and me thinking I properly credited Slimm44 at that time anyway, I thought nothing more of it.
From there, Hawk23 used my 2017 roster as a base for his 2018 and 2019 rosters. That's how URBs staff tab and a good amount not all ratings and tendencies got into all 3 seasons of UBR from 2017-19. I have not touched the 2018 and 2019 rosters for UBR to this day with the exception of the jersey tabs.
This wasnt some mass copying and pasting scandal some of you are making it out to be. This was simply a rookie modder who thought he properly credited someone for using his work in one single roster and didn't think to change what he considered residual ratings in RedMC. Big mistake on my part. I was in the wrong. I have no problem owning up to that. I know what's acceptable now. A little too late now I guess though.
When this was brought to my attention weeks ago on the UBR thread, I wasn't even sure what specifically was Slimm44's problem because he never specifically stated. Once he finally gave me a reason, the staff tabs, weeks after the first situation on the UBR thread, I corrected the staff tabs immediately. Me and him talked in private and I thought we were cool. I wasn't expecting to be publicly aired out for a matter I thought we already handled in private.
I also corrected the players tabs from 2016-2019 since all this came to my attention just yesterday. Im trying to make it right at every turn. I even told Slimm44 personally, over a week ago to do a one over on UBR and to let me know if there were any other similarities/copy work in both mods and if so I'd fix them. We talked and I thought we had an understanding. Apparently not though...
Just know I busted my ass coming up with ratings and tendencies that produce the sim stats that my rosters do. Again, sim stats were my main focus. That was many hours of my own work, my own testing down the drain now because I didn't know it would be a problem, a year later, after I thought I credited Slimm44 properly already, using his player and staff tabs as a base and not changing every single residual field.
Also, know that my updates weren't strictly roster related and took hours of work on my end. The Jerseys, the courts, the cyberfaces, the missing players, the ratings and tendencies (I thought to be the only ones of importance) were all updated by me (using others art files of course). It's a shame all of that hard work is down the drain now, because of honest oversights I should've been more aware of. I blame no one for that but me. I am not the victim here, if anyone is it's Slimm44 who is rightfully upset.
As you all can see, I have redacted every single post of mine on both the URB and UBR thread from this year, as if I never returned this year. I've already sent Hawk23 the correct, updated, "not a stitch of URB" staff tabs for UBR 2016-2019. It's up to him if he uses them or not. I will attach links below to my updated staff tabs for UBR for you all to approve and to ensure none of the work is the same anymore. Ive also gave all coaches their accurate contracts and years experience using my own research. I have also created my own formulas to calculate coaches ratings and will attach that spreadsheet below as well. I vow to show all of my work, pre release from now on to ensure transparency if allowed to stick around. Hopefully from there you all will see the depth of my own capabilities.
I also have updated player tabs for 2016-2019 I'm working on, with not a stitch of URBs work. Those will be shown, pre release as well if given the chance. However, I have a feeling, even if I'm not banned from NLSC, Hawk23 will not work with me anymore to protect the integrity of his mod. I'm sure any mention of my work will be removed from UBR and I'm sure he will redo the rosters on his own. This is a challenge he will willingly take on and come out even better from. Same for URB.
So you all can go back to business as usual. No need to penalize your supporters on account of little ol' me. I am not nor was I ever that important. You got your wish, im most likely gone for good and UBR will not have any of your work in it going forward.
Specifically, my apologies to you Slimm44. You're the king. The best there ever was and the best there ever will be. Just know I never meant to hurt or personally deceive you. I would've owned up to anything had I known or remembered. I considered you a friend and thought we had an open line of communication for you to express any such concerns to me. I'm very sorry because I see now we obviously we didn't have that understanding and I must've really crossed the line for you to say we were good in private and then air me out in public. I cannot apologize enough.
Also, my apologies to Hawk23. He had nothing to do with any of this. I can only imagine returning after a 3 year hiatus to this big mess. Him and the rest of the UBR contributors do not deserve to have all of their hard work negated. My 2 seasons I contributed are a drop in the bucket compared to all they've done for UBR. It's not fair that UBRs good name got entangled in any of this. For that, I am truly sorry.
I deserve all of this and I'm sorry for letting you all down.
- Nyflava2k9 out!
Updated/Corrected 2016 UBR Staff tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Updated/Corrected 2017 UBR Staff tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Updated/Corrected 2018 UBR Staff tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Updated/Corrected 2019 UBR Staff tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Nyflava2k9 UBR 2016 Coaches calculator:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Nyflava2k9 UBR 2017 Players calculator:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk
Re: .
Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:59 pm
Thank you for making the changes, hopefully they can be implemented in the official release as soon as possible.
Re: .
Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:15 pm
Andrew wrote:Thank you for making the changes, hopefully they can be implemented in the official release as soon as possible.
Actually, no, they shouldn't be released as soon as possible. He's still using my work as a base.
Names in yellow are mine.
Names in green are his.
If the data is blue, it's either still a direct copy and paste job or he simply added a digit.
This is beyond ridiculous. This is still our roster file as a base.
I mean, seriously, you really need to improve your ability at lying and covering your tracks. I work with junior high kids on a daily basis that are better at both than you.
AND IT DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH ON THE 50-60% OF THE PLAYER TAB DATA HE IS USING DIRECTLY FROM MY ROSTER FILE AND IS CONTAINED IN THE 2017, 2018, AND 2019 ROSTER FILES IN THIS PROJECT.
Also, nyflava, typically an apology doesn't include more justifications than apology and it also doesn't use snide sarcasm based on comments that were taken out of context at the time (because you were upset, presumably because your "work" was exposed as theft) and portray them as part of the apology.
Last edited by slimm44 on Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: .
Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:38 pm
Indeed. I posted that under the impression that the directions had been followed. I'm disappointed to see that adequate changes weren't made as instructed.
At this point, there doesn't need to be attempts at justifications, redacted posts, or anything like that. What's done is done; what matters is a straightforward apology, and addressing the matter with the appropriate changes to the files, ASAP.
At this point, there doesn't need to be attempts at justifications, redacted posts, or anything like that. What's done is done; what matters is a straightforward apology, and addressing the matter with the appropriate changes to the files, ASAP.
Re: .
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:16 pm
The fact that I'm forced to intervene and post in a thread for a game that is 5 years old where a bunch of quote unquote grown men can't play nice in the sandbox on a Saturday morning in the middle of the Summer is truly the definition of annoyance, in my book. And that's not even counting the drama queens who have no involvement yet insist on putting their $0.02 in the mix to hear their own voice every few posts. I'd really love for this to be the only post I have to make on this matter. And before I continue, please all parties involved understand that Andrew and myself have conversed thoroughly on this matter over the past week or so, to the point where I'm exhausted of it and basically annoyed by the idiocy and childishness of all parties involved. You guys all really need to get over yourselves.
I really felt that nyflava2k9 was being genuine and contrite, and that he was just an enthusiastic guy who wanted to learn and help and had maybe just overstepped a bit with respect to information he had received from slimm re: roster editing. Having worked very closely with slimm in the past, and having had shared a lot of his process and formula work, etc. with me, I can safely say that there's been tremendous time and effort invested not just into creation and implementation, but to countless sim testing and fine tuning so that his specific combination of ratings/tencency/playbook/etc. creates the most authentic experience with this game that I've seen achieved. So on that level, I can understand why he doesn't want this just ripped off by what is considered a 'rival' mod that has had a contentious relationship with for years. Now, if this was something as small as nyflava2k9 getting small bits of info from slimm such as "Play X doesn't work, it breaks every time you run it", and then not including that work in his rosters because it'd be stupid to given that knowledge he acquired from slimm, it'd be understandable and this would've been over with pages ago. However, it appears that large chunks of pretty important data were ripped either entirely or ripped and then slightly tweaked, such that the "specific combination" I referenced earlier is basically in tact, and that, as we can all agree, and Andrew has been pretty clear about, is wrong. Back to my original point: this truly seemed to be an oversight by nyflava2k9 initially, and I truly believed that's what it was. It seems clear now, though, that not only was it intentional, but that he's not really making a true attempt to remove this data. So all I want to see from nyflava2k9 going forward, is not another 18 paragraph diatribe calling slimm the goat, and weaving nonsense. I just want to see confirmation that this has been actually fixed. Genuinely. Not just that each field gets a +/-3 point edit, but that what he's building is truly his. Because quite frankly, if I have to read another half-asses apology that doesn't actually address the issue, I'm likely just to ban him to assure I don't have to do it going forward again. So nyflava2k9, figure it out. My patience is thin. The next time you post, it better be an actual representation that has no stolen work in it, because I promise you, if it isn't, you won't get a chance to do so after that. If UBR needs to go back to an older version of their rosters and re-edit them going forward, and that's what it takes, so be it. Not my problem.
That's it. Then we can all move on with our lives, I'd hope. Any request that reaches beyond that is just petty, and I have absolutely no time or tolerance for it. We've got grown men in their 20s and 30s here, working on a game that is going on five years old from an entirely different generation of titles. I understand the time commitment that has been put forth, and therefore the possessiveness that is associated with this. Hell, I've contributed to this project, as well as UBR, and find the entire 'rivalry' to be pretty pathetic, and have for years. I've vouched for skoadam on more than one occasion, and he's been granted leniency beyond what many others have been afforded, as a result. You'd think you guys were curing cancer, and not choosing, of your own volition, to sink these hours into a hobby that obviously brings you joy and fulfillment. That being said, of course stealing isn't okay, so nyflava2k9 needs to provide some irrefutable proof that that has been undone. That should be the end of that. But, quite frankly, if that isn't substantial, then I'm inclined to tell any other party to take a walk, take your ball, and go play elsewhere. The NLSC owes you nothing beyond that, and as I said initially, if you knew the time invested from the moderation staff to deal with this stupid bullshit, you'd be surprised that I didn't just ban everybody and tell them all to F off. Everybody needs to grow up, and act their age. I can't believe I even had to type 3 paragraphs about this nonsense. I should be checking in and saying "Hey, great update!", not having to separate children on the playground.
I really felt that nyflava2k9 was being genuine and contrite, and that he was just an enthusiastic guy who wanted to learn and help and had maybe just overstepped a bit with respect to information he had received from slimm re: roster editing. Having worked very closely with slimm in the past, and having had shared a lot of his process and formula work, etc. with me, I can safely say that there's been tremendous time and effort invested not just into creation and implementation, but to countless sim testing and fine tuning so that his specific combination of ratings/tencency/playbook/etc. creates the most authentic experience with this game that I've seen achieved. So on that level, I can understand why he doesn't want this just ripped off by what is considered a 'rival' mod that has had a contentious relationship with for years. Now, if this was something as small as nyflava2k9 getting small bits of info from slimm such as "Play X doesn't work, it breaks every time you run it", and then not including that work in his rosters because it'd be stupid to given that knowledge he acquired from slimm, it'd be understandable and this would've been over with pages ago. However, it appears that large chunks of pretty important data were ripped either entirely or ripped and then slightly tweaked, such that the "specific combination" I referenced earlier is basically in tact, and that, as we can all agree, and Andrew has been pretty clear about, is wrong. Back to my original point: this truly seemed to be an oversight by nyflava2k9 initially, and I truly believed that's what it was. It seems clear now, though, that not only was it intentional, but that he's not really making a true attempt to remove this data. So all I want to see from nyflava2k9 going forward, is not another 18 paragraph diatribe calling slimm the goat, and weaving nonsense. I just want to see confirmation that this has been actually fixed. Genuinely. Not just that each field gets a +/-3 point edit, but that what he's building is truly his. Because quite frankly, if I have to read another half-asses apology that doesn't actually address the issue, I'm likely just to ban him to assure I don't have to do it going forward again. So nyflava2k9, figure it out. My patience is thin. The next time you post, it better be an actual representation that has no stolen work in it, because I promise you, if it isn't, you won't get a chance to do so after that. If UBR needs to go back to an older version of their rosters and re-edit them going forward, and that's what it takes, so be it. Not my problem.
That's it. Then we can all move on with our lives, I'd hope. Any request that reaches beyond that is just petty, and I have absolutely no time or tolerance for it. We've got grown men in their 20s and 30s here, working on a game that is going on five years old from an entirely different generation of titles. I understand the time commitment that has been put forth, and therefore the possessiveness that is associated with this. Hell, I've contributed to this project, as well as UBR, and find the entire 'rivalry' to be pretty pathetic, and have for years. I've vouched for skoadam on more than one occasion, and he's been granted leniency beyond what many others have been afforded, as a result. You'd think you guys were curing cancer, and not choosing, of your own volition, to sink these hours into a hobby that obviously brings you joy and fulfillment. That being said, of course stealing isn't okay, so nyflava2k9 needs to provide some irrefutable proof that that has been undone. That should be the end of that. But, quite frankly, if that isn't substantial, then I'm inclined to tell any other party to take a walk, take your ball, and go play elsewhere. The NLSC owes you nothing beyond that, and as I said initially, if you knew the time invested from the moderation staff to deal with this stupid bullshit, you'd be surprised that I didn't just ban everybody and tell them all to F off. Everybody needs to grow up, and act their age. I can't believe I even had to type 3 paragraphs about this nonsense. I should be checking in and saying "Hey, great update!", not having to separate children on the playground.
Re: .
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:57 pm
Slimm44,
I'm trying my best to comply with you. My apology at no point was rude to you. Was it not good enough? I'm sorry if my sorry wasn't good enough.
And how did I not change everything like you asked? Your work is nowhere in these staff tabs any more.
I'm literally showing all my work in the interest of anyone seeing to make it right. That is about the most transparent any one can be.
As for the fields you are showing in blue now as copied: bench depth, line up performance, attack basket and alley oop are all fields I chose to keep neutral at 50 because they effect line up changes . You can see I did the same with every other field that effects line up changes. Size/Speed, Athleticism/Skill are examples of other fields you can see I changed to 50 as well that you didn't. But since you happen to have 4 columns that affect line up changes similarly at a 50 value, that's stealing to you still? It's obvious across the board I changed every column that affects line up changes to a 50 value. How is that a problem?
As for the team shot tendencies... You didn't invent the concept of turning those up to 100. That's something I've seen other rosters do including myself to avoid stagnant offenses in 2K14. The take 3pt column while yes, in similar range, are not even the same values. They are in a range that I feel won't cause too many 3pt attempts. These are my values and my own doing.
In your post play column, you have all 0 values, mines are at 20. Big difference. Still you have it highlighted in blue that I copied those.
None of this is your work, not a stitch of it at all anymore, and now you're coming down on me for a few columns that I have my own reasons for being similar to yours? It's a 1-100 scale. 2K has known flaws. We are bound to come to similar solutions at times.
But look, I will take it a step further because you obviously feel like I haven't done a good enough job. I'm going to go even more in depth and use actual stats from those seasons to make those columns even more realistic. I will clearly be unique in that. From there, you cannot say another word on staff tabs. If there is anything else I need to change in your eyes, let it be known now. Give me an hour or two and the changes will be made further.
As for the player tabs, I mentioned above I'm working on those already.
How about this, tell me EXACTLY how I should proceed going forward. I have been apologetic, respectful and took full responsibility for something I know in my heart was a mistake. What further should I do at this point so this can all be "right" in your eyes?
I'm trying my best to comply with you. My apology at no point was rude to you. Was it not good enough? I'm sorry if my sorry wasn't good enough.
And how did I not change everything like you asked? Your work is nowhere in these staff tabs any more.
I'm literally showing all my work in the interest of anyone seeing to make it right. That is about the most transparent any one can be.
As for the fields you are showing in blue now as copied: bench depth, line up performance, attack basket and alley oop are all fields I chose to keep neutral at 50 because they effect line up changes . You can see I did the same with every other field that effects line up changes. Size/Speed, Athleticism/Skill are examples of other fields you can see I changed to 50 as well that you didn't. But since you happen to have 4 columns that affect line up changes similarly at a 50 value, that's stealing to you still? It's obvious across the board I changed every column that affects line up changes to a 50 value. How is that a problem?
As for the team shot tendencies... You didn't invent the concept of turning those up to 100. That's something I've seen other rosters do including myself to avoid stagnant offenses in 2K14. The take 3pt column while yes, in similar range, are not even the same values. They are in a range that I feel won't cause too many 3pt attempts. These are my values and my own doing.
In your post play column, you have all 0 values, mines are at 20. Big difference. Still you have it highlighted in blue that I copied those.
None of this is your work, not a stitch of it at all anymore, and now you're coming down on me for a few columns that I have my own reasons for being similar to yours? It's a 1-100 scale. 2K has known flaws. We are bound to come to similar solutions at times.
But look, I will take it a step further because you obviously feel like I haven't done a good enough job. I'm going to go even more in depth and use actual stats from those seasons to make those columns even more realistic. I will clearly be unique in that. From there, you cannot say another word on staff tabs. If there is anything else I need to change in your eyes, let it be known now. Give me an hour or two and the changes will be made further.
As for the player tabs, I mentioned above I'm working on those already.
How about this, tell me EXACTLY how I should proceed going forward. I have been apologetic, respectful and took full responsibility for something I know in my heart was a mistake. What further should I do at this point so this can all be "right" in your eyes?
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:56 am
Ok so.. this should about do it... As you can see, in the 2013 and 2012 UBR Rosters, two rosters I have never touched whatsoever, you can see all team take shot tendencies at 100 with the exception of 3 pointers. This is what I used as my new base, not your work. So you can cancel out 4 of the 9 columns you posted today saying they were copied from you. This is proof UBR was doing this way before I came along. This is not your work...
The fields that affect line up changes and gameplay you posted today, bench depth, line up performance, Attack basket and throw Alley oop, I changed those specifically to 50 values with out even looking at your roster. I did this with the reason that game play and line up changes go strictly off of my ratings and tendencies. That is another 4 fields you can cancel out because I have my reasons for putting those like that, and it is evident I have done the same with all similar fields, something you havent. My own original work and process. You can claim otherwise all you want but you know what I said makes sense and is a valid reasoning.
That leaves one field you posted today, as still falsely still being your work - Post Play! Your values are at 0, mines are at 20. Do you think I just added a 2 infront of your 0's? Lol There is a big difference between 0 and 20, especially on a 1-100 scale. Will it be ok if I changed them to a number like 21? I'm seriously not being sarcastic. I honestly do not want this to be an issue going forward.
Now, with all this being said, with proof given, can anyone say I'm still using Slimm44's staff tabs whatsoever and havent made an attempt to make changes??
The fields that affect line up changes and gameplay you posted today, bench depth, line up performance, Attack basket and throw Alley oop, I changed those specifically to 50 values with out even looking at your roster. I did this with the reason that game play and line up changes go strictly off of my ratings and tendencies. That is another 4 fields you can cancel out because I have my reasons for putting those like that, and it is evident I have done the same with all similar fields, something you havent. My own original work and process. You can claim otherwise all you want but you know what I said makes sense and is a valid reasoning.
That leaves one field you posted today, as still falsely still being your work - Post Play! Your values are at 0, mines are at 20. Do you think I just added a 2 infront of your 0's? Lol There is a big difference between 0 and 20, especially on a 1-100 scale. Will it be ok if I changed them to a number like 21? I'm seriously not being sarcastic. I honestly do not want this to be an issue going forward.
Now, with all this being said, with proof given, can anyone say I'm still using Slimm44's staff tabs whatsoever and havent made an attempt to make changes??
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:02 am
Why can't people just say sorry admit your wrong and made a mistake and just get back to business of making NBA 2k13 and 2k14 the best basketball games ever.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:19 am
El Chapo wrote:Why can't people just say sorry admit your wrong and made a mistake and just get back to business of making NBA 2k13 and 2k14 the best basketball games ever.
Ive said sorry numerous times, admitted my wrong and that I made a mistake. Im trying to fix it. At this point, it's getting borderline unreasonable.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:31 am
nyflava2k9 wrote:El Chapo wrote:Why can't people just say sorry admit your wrong and made a mistake and just get back to business of making NBA 2k13 and 2k14 the best basketball games ever.
Ive said sorry numerous times, admitted my wrong and that I made a mistake. Im trying to fix it. At this point, it's getting borderline unreasonable.
Your apology is the equivalent of:
"Yes, I robbed the bank, I am so sorry for doing that. However, I was low on money, and I only took $1000, that bank has hundreds of thousands in it. I didn't brandish a weapon, and I gave back $500 of it after they found enough evidence to tie me to the robbery. I am trying to fix it, I would have admitted doing it but I didn't think $1000 was a big deal, and figured myself and the bank had an agreement that I was low on money. You can crucify me all you want, but I admitted fault, I love that bank, I am trying to fix things, I'm sorry"
That's the way your apologies come off to me. You have not once sincerely apologized, because you continue to make excuses for yourself. It's clear what happened here, intentional or not. It's time for it to be fixed on the official UBR releases, considerable damage has already been done (he's released updates and a ton of people have already downloaded those rosters with Slimms work in it).
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:33 am
This is a link to UBR 2012 Roster Staff Tab... I have NEVER touched this. I am only posting this to show that this is what was used as a base for my updated staff tabs. Ive even took it a step further, went against things that I have learned on my own, and changed them to the 2012 Staff version just to appease the situation even further....
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17j5kW3Vpqq2OKvRXQ_p605ogTakH15J9UwzeEdaiQQM/edit?usp=sharing
Am I finally in the clear on these staff tabs?
I've apologized. Ive admitted my wrong doing. I've fixed what needed to be fixed. I took it a step further and added brand new content that I researched to come up with brand new coach ratings, contracts and experience. There is nothing of Slimm44's work whatsoever. There hasnt been for days now since I sent Hawk23 these staff tabs on June 24th.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17j5kW3Vpqq2OKvRXQ_p605ogTakH15J9UwzeEdaiQQM/edit?usp=sharing
Am I finally in the clear on these staff tabs?
I've apologized. Ive admitted my wrong doing. I've fixed what needed to be fixed. I took it a step further and added brand new content that I researched to come up with brand new coach ratings, contracts and experience. There is nothing of Slimm44's work whatsoever. There hasnt been for days now since I sent Hawk23 these staff tabs on June 24th.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:41 am
Dee4Three wrote:nyflava2k9 wrote:El Chapo wrote:Why can't people just say sorry admit your wrong and made a mistake and just get back to business of making NBA 2k13 and 2k14 the best basketball games ever.
Ive said sorry numerous times, admitted my wrong and that I made a mistake. Im trying to fix it. At this point, it's getting borderline unreasonable.
Your apology is the equivalent of:
"Yes, I robbed the bank, I am so sorry for doing that. However, I was low on money, and I only took $1000, that bank has hundreds of thousands in it. I didn't brandish a weapon, and I gave back $500 of it after they found enough evidence to tie me to the robbery. I am trying to fix it, I would have admitted doing it but I didn't think $1000 was a big deal, and figured myself and the bank had an agreement that I was low on money. You can crucify me all you want, but I admitted fault, I love that bank, I am trying to fix things, I'm sorry"
That's the way your apologies come off to me. You have not once sincerely apologized, because you continue to make excuses for yourself. It's clear what happened here, intentional or not. It's time for it to be fixed on the official UBR releases, condensing damage has already been done (he's released updates and a ton of people have already downloaded those rosters with Slimms work in it).
I'm not sure how you've come to this conclusion. Your analogy implies that I knowingly did what I did. I've simply tried to explain my side of it. I wasn't being malicious and I felt it important for people to know that. I'm not making excuses. I've made that clear I'm in the wrong on this one completely. I'm explaining my end of it, not minimizing. I''m sorry if it comes off that way.
Ive said I am truly sorry. I changed what needed to be changed only today to be accused of not changing it. I just posted proof that the 2012 roster was used as my new base but I'm still being accused and came at like im doing something wrong. Thats what I feel is unreasonable. I'm trying my best to be compliant and all I'm getting now is that it's not good enough. Can anyone atleast respect the effort I'm making here on making it right? Or is it easier for yall to keep tearing me down? I couldve easily just said F it and left it be. No, I'm trying to make it right though. How can anyone not see that? And as far as it being fixed in the official releases, I have no control of that. I sent them over to Hawk23 4 days ago. I havent heard a word from him.
As you all can hopefully see, I am committed to a fair and prompt resolution, I have been since the beginning. Please, if there is anything else I have overlooked, not done right, whatever.. Please let me know and I will fix it. Again, I get nothing for this. I feel bad and I'm literally just trying to make it right for all involved.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:55 am
My last post for now... Can someone please weigh in on the changes I've made so I can know that they are satisfactory? I want to get onto the players tab as soon as possible and I just want to know that the issue with the staff tabs are resolved first. Thank you om advance to anyone who can help me with this.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:56 am
Guys,
Moderators and project owners are well informed about the hole issue.
There's no need for further commentaries about it.
Let's just stop and move on.
The reason for the existence of this topic is basketball, let's come back to its purpous please, guys.
Please?
As a fan, friend and member...
Let's move on?
Moderators and project owners are well informed about the hole issue.
There's no need for further commentaries about it.
Let's just stop and move on.
The reason for the existence of this topic is basketball, let's come back to its purpous please, guys.
Please?
As a fan, friend and member...
Let's move on?
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:16 am
nyflava2k9 wrote:My last post for now... Can someone please weigh in on the changes I've made so I can know that they are satisfactory? I want to get onto the players tab as soon as possible and I just want to know that the issue with the staff tabs are resolved first. Thank you om advance to anyone who can help me with this.
I have no way of checking, but perhaps someone not involved can confirm. If you didn't use any of their work as a base and proceeded to make your own changes, then I can't see how someone can still accuse you of using their work
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:39 am
[Q] wrote:nyflava2k9 wrote:My last post for now... Can someone please weigh in on the changes I've made so I can know that they are satisfactory? I want to get onto the players tab as soon as possible and I just want to know that the issue with the staff tabs are resolved first. Thank you om advance to anyone who can help me with this.
I have no way of checking, but perhaps someone not involved can confirm. If you didn't use any of their work as a base and proceeded to make your own changes, then I can't see how someone can still accuse you of using their work
I originally used Slimm44s staff tab as a base. It was told to me last week that was a problem. I have since created all new staff tabs, using original UBR rosters. I just want someone to confirm that they see that. I appreciate you weighing in. At this point, since 4 days ago, none of his work whatsoever is being used so I agree that there shouldn't be any problems.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:04 am
Don't go quiet on me now people. Everyone wants this to end, right? Just simple confirmation that my staff tabs are different now puts this all to bed. I want nothing more than to ever not hear the word staff tab again.
From here, player tabs are being worked on already and should be done by tonight. I just need you all's confirmation that this staff tab issue is dead.
From here, player tabs are being worked on already and should be done by tonight. I just need you all's confirmation that this staff tab issue is dead.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:07 am
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:06 am
I'm not sure if anybody remembers, but this conversation is actually not supposed to be about staff tabs. This conversation is supposed to be about someone taking 50 to 60% of an entire roster file and using it as their own work. For several weeks now, this guy has said that he has never used my coaching profiles. So, if that's the case, why does he have to change them back? Oh yeah, it's because I found out that he was stealing those two. Then, when I posted screenshots of his stealing those as well, he conveniently tries to make that the focus. Why? Because it's significantly less bad to take someone's coaching profile than it is to take 50 to 60% of an entire roster file. But, make no mistake, that is actually why we're still discussing this guy being banned. It is not about staff tabs. It is about 50 to 60% of an entire roster file being stolen, then being used in multiple roster files, then him trying to switch the focus to something that signi significantly less serious. Maybe we can get the 54% of the entire roster file figure it out and then we can move on to the Small Potatoes such as the coaching profiles.
Ban this guy. Let Hawk and his team start over with the 2016 roster file as a base and they can complete 2017, 2018, and 2019. That seems to me like the easiest solution to this whole thing and we can all stop talking and reading about something that should have been handled several days ago but it's still lingering.
Ban this guy. Let Hawk and his team start over with the 2016 roster file as a base and they can complete 2017, 2018, and 2019. That seems to me like the easiest solution to this whole thing and we can all stop talking and reading about something that should have been handled several days ago but it's still lingering.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:09 am
Straight to the point. Lets leave this UBR "update" to UBR style to real modder. Real modder in this situation is Hawk. He know how his coaching profiles, ratings, tendencies was looking before nyflava copy/paste URB stuff. Im really tired of checking nyflava updates, im basically tired of this person. I believe in Hawk honesty, because he is here from years, he will clean up his rosters from URB stuff for sure.
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:45 am
Slimm44,
I'm not making the conversation about staff tabs only. If you actually read my posts, I make several mentions of the player tab as well. What other than those two tabs habe I used? If you have any other evidence of me using anything beyond those, then please, by all means, point it out and I will gladly fix it. It's like nothing is good enough at this point. You claiming I denied use of your staff and player tabs for several weeks is false. As soon as you actually pointed out to me there was copied data, which was just last week, I've worked to fix it. Again, once you pointed out the player tabs as well, I'm working to fix those too. Several weeks ago when you accused me of using your work, I thought you were referring to use of the retro rosters we worked on. You made no mention until this past week of staff and player tabs in current rosters which were truly not on my mind whatsoever. This is a roster I did a year ago. If you can't understand that explanation, then I'm sorry, but that's the truth. Still I take full responsibility for not catching the copied data on my own sooner. I say nothing to minimize my actions, only to explain. I agree, what I've done constitutes as stealing your work. The intention or anything else doesn't matter at that point. I totally get it. I have profusely apologized and worked towards making it right. If that is not enough to cover a first timers mistake, a big one admittedly, than nothing is ever going to be good enough. Literally, as a man, I ask you, what else can I do to make this right with you? I cannot change my wrongdoing in the past, I can only work to fix it now. I did not intend to mislead you or anyone when I denied these allegations weeks ago, I honestly just wasn't thinking. Once you told me what your issue specifically was just last week, I've admitted full wrong doing and responsibility and worked to fix it. I'm not running from any of this. You're truly making me out to be something I'm not. I know it's my fault though you feel that way. I ask for your forgiveness and nothing more than to make it right with you. If you cannot afford me that, then I understand. No one cannot say I have not tried to fix this though. I've already completely fixed one part of it and can have the other part completed by tonight as well. I'm working diligently to make sure not another day goes by with this having to be an issue for you. Why is that not enough? I doubt Hawk23 is even going to use any of my work. At this point, I'm really just trying to show you I'm atleast making an effort to right a wrong. I could easily just be done with this. It's not paying my bills. I'm solely just trying to make amends.
I'm not making the conversation about staff tabs only. If you actually read my posts, I make several mentions of the player tab as well. What other than those two tabs habe I used? If you have any other evidence of me using anything beyond those, then please, by all means, point it out and I will gladly fix it. It's like nothing is good enough at this point. You claiming I denied use of your staff and player tabs for several weeks is false. As soon as you actually pointed out to me there was copied data, which was just last week, I've worked to fix it. Again, once you pointed out the player tabs as well, I'm working to fix those too. Several weeks ago when you accused me of using your work, I thought you were referring to use of the retro rosters we worked on. You made no mention until this past week of staff and player tabs in current rosters which were truly not on my mind whatsoever. This is a roster I did a year ago. If you can't understand that explanation, then I'm sorry, but that's the truth. Still I take full responsibility for not catching the copied data on my own sooner. I say nothing to minimize my actions, only to explain. I agree, what I've done constitutes as stealing your work. The intention or anything else doesn't matter at that point. I totally get it. I have profusely apologized and worked towards making it right. If that is not enough to cover a first timers mistake, a big one admittedly, than nothing is ever going to be good enough. Literally, as a man, I ask you, what else can I do to make this right with you? I cannot change my wrongdoing in the past, I can only work to fix it now. I did not intend to mislead you or anyone when I denied these allegations weeks ago, I honestly just wasn't thinking. Once you told me what your issue specifically was just last week, I've admitted full wrong doing and responsibility and worked to fix it. I'm not running from any of this. You're truly making me out to be something I'm not. I know it's my fault though you feel that way. I ask for your forgiveness and nothing more than to make it right with you. If you cannot afford me that, then I understand. No one cannot say I have not tried to fix this though. I've already completely fixed one part of it and can have the other part completed by tonight as well. I'm working diligently to make sure not another day goes by with this having to be an issue for you. Why is that not enough? I doubt Hawk23 is even going to use any of my work. At this point, I'm really just trying to show you I'm atleast making an effort to right a wrong. I could easily just be done with this. It's not paying my bills. I'm solely just trying to make amends.