Classic Rookies v0.3 -- Cousy, Mikan, stars of the 80s!

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Classic Rookies v0.3 -- Cousy, Mikan, stars of the 80s!

Postby arkaeyn on Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:29 pm

Hi all,

Over the past few months, I've been taking classic players and turning them into rookies to add to my Association draft classes and teams. I may not be the only person interested in having those historical players in my game, so I'm going to upload them in case anyone else is interested.

WHAT'S NEW IN VERSION 0.3

More new players added, focusing on the stars of the 1980s--you know, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Hakeem. THOSE guys. See the full list below for who. I've got about 3/4s of the total list of players that I want.

I've copied the rookies into a Roster file instead of an Association file. They're still in the Free Agents section.

A few players like Tim Duncan are included in draft classes which have been created since I started this project. Eventually they may get removed from this project. But they're useful even now for having correct PeakAge and AudioM values--they'll age historically, and be called correctly by the announcers.

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    All players have had their stats adjusted so that they should have proper career trajectories. Note that many of these players spent four years in college, so they'll be better, but older, than most modern rookies.

    There is a hidden stat called "peak years" that allows you adjust when players start declining. Most modern players those years are 27-31 or so, for players whose careers we know about can be tweaked so that they'll decline earlier, like Bill Walton (peak age 24-25), or later, like John Stockton (peak age 28-33). Therefore these rookies will be more accurate than most draft classes

    Most, but not all, of the players are Hall Of Fame-level players who aren't included in any of the classic teams from the game, nor are they in any of the downloadable draft classes in URB (all draft classes before 1986, plus 1990 and 1992)

    All of these players have cyberfaces hidden in the game, as well as having their names in the announcer database. (Reggie Miller's face will need to be downloaded, but if you're here, you've downloaded one of the dozens of mods with him by now, right?)

    The downloadable file right now is generic 2012/2013 Roster file, with the rookies in the Free Agent class. If you'd like to know how to get them into your game, see the bottom of the this message

Here are the players I have right now. New this version in italics, in other draft classes noted with a *:

PG
Kevin Johnson*
B.J. Armstrong*
Chauncey Billups*
Nate "Tiny" Archibald
Oscar Robertson
Lenny Wilkens
Bob Cousy
Walt Fraizer
John Stockton
Isaiah Thomas
Magic Johnson


SG
Dan Majerle*
Reggie Miller*
Hal Greer
Dave Bing
Clyde Drexler
George Gervin
Earl Monroe
Michael Jordan
Byron Scott
Craig Ehlo


SF
David "Skywalker" Thompson
Bernard King
Adrian Dantley
Alex English
Glen Rice
Dominique Wilkins
James Worthy
Larry Bird
Jerome Kersey



PF
Xavier "X-Man" McDaniel*
Tom Chambers
Tim Duncan*
Connie Hawkins (ABA rookie, 19 years old)
Bob Pettit
Dave Cowens
Charles Barkley
Kevin McHale
Larry Nance
Bill Laimbeer
Kurt Rambis


C
Jack Sikma
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Elvin Hayes
Mark Eaton
George Mikan
Kevin Duckworth*
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Walton
Bob Lanier
Robert Parish
Hakeem Olajuwon


TODO list:


    More players, obviously. Feel free to make a request below. Please make certain that their cyberface is in the game. One way to tell: the NBA Forever mod is primarily done with those faces.
    Create a Draft Class file. The only way I know how to do this is cloning with the Trainer, as Red MC doesn't allow direct editing of draft classes, as far as I can tell. The trainer is slow, annoying, and has occasional errors. If you know a better way, please let me know.
    Make sure all players have proper arm colors, Momentum variables (what the stadium announcer says their name is), and Peak Years


HOW DO I GET A PLAYER FROM THIS INTO MY GAME?


I know of two methods. One is annoying, the other costs money:

    RED MC is the one that costs money. Make sure you pick up the Advanced File Types to edit Association files, and the Modder's Interface to open up two files at once. Then you copy the player from my mod into your Association, either into a blank spot or over another player. Also, this video will explain how to edit a player into your Association's already-existing draft class.

    Alternately, you can use the Turbo Trainer to clone players. This will allow you clone players directly into draft classes from the NBA 2K13 main menu, as well as just about anywhere else. This doesn't always work, though, but it is free. This thread may help. Note that if you clone these players into a draft class, they won't show up in certain scouting/drafting lists, but they will show up in others.

To use, just download the Classic Rookies.FXG file, put it in your save directory, and load.

If too many players have black arms, you'll need DukeW74's Black Arm fix as put together by JaoSming. Check George Mikan, it'll be easy to tell. Note that David Thompson's are slightly off even after the fix. That's why I gave him sleeves, which helps a little bit.

Thanks to DamirNYK for providing several existing rookies.

Please let me know if you find any glitches, have any requests, or know how I can directly edit draft classes short of cloning players one-by-one.
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.1 -- Miller, Mikan, Hawkins, and more

Postby DamirNYK on Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:20 pm

Yeah, I do that too.

My method is with Turbo Trainer, I'm using nbatak draft classes, starting with '93, and adding 10-15 classic players (pretty much random) to each years draft. And the Association that was the starting point was the current 2013-14 season with 2014 class first, then '93 and so on.

You could say I have some experience with it by now, so if you want my help, I'd be happy to assist you.
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.1 -- Miller, Mikan, Hawkins, and more

Postby arkaeyn on Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:29 pm

Cool! Yeah, I'm not really certain, but there's probably something. Do you have a good grasp on which rookie stats improve, then decrease with age? I've been operating under the assumption that physical stats should be high and skills should be lowered to make them look properly unseasoned, but haven't run too many tests. Also, where do you pick the players you've picked from?
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.1 -- Miller, Mikan, Hawkins, and more

Postby DamirNYK on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:35 am

That's pretty much the same way I go. I believe playing style should (not positive that it does) determine how they progress, I lower their skill stats do the point so their overall is in low 80s, high 70s for superstars, low to mid 70s for allstars and so on and the potential does it's work from there. Will they reach that potential is also influenced with the team they play in, role they have, team moral and so on.

Most of my players are taken from nbatak's http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=91963 and retroman's http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=90018 so all credit to them, plus a lot of legendary players that are already in the game, but of course I tweak a lot of their attributes to make them rookielike.

It's also important to correct "moral" to 75, "years pro" to 1, and birth year to, well I just put it randomly so they are 18-22 (to lazy to check for how old they where when drafted).

PM me your e-mail and I can send you what I have if you wish, I do it for personal use anyway so if you think you can use any of this, it would be my pleasure.
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.1 -- Miller, Mikan, Hawkins, and more

Postby arkaeyn on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:49 am

Have you had trouble with cloning players from mods? I found that if I cloned players who'd been cloned, they'd usually get messed up, which is why I largely switched from the trainer to Red MC
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.1 -- Miller, Mikan, Hawkins, and more

Postby DamirNYK on Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:28 am

Yeah, cloning just with the clone doesn't work, so what I do is

press the read button for vital, attributes, tenencies, hotspots, hot floor and signature
and then when on a random generate rookie save only these things and edit the name and college manually (when using college button in trainer it crashes to desktop)
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.1 -- Miller, Mikan, Hawkins, and more

Postby arkaeyn on Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:02 am

New version! Added a bunch of new players, and have them in a Roster file instead of an Association. Thanks to DamirNYK for sending me his files, which I was able to adapt several of, with more to come.

Hidden players added include Bob Cousy, Alex English, Lenny Wilkens, Bob Lanier, and more. Adapted players include Clyde Drexler, Russell and Chamberlain, and Dominique Wilkens.

Still looking for a way to put these guys into a draft class short of cloning them one-by-one in the Turbo Trainer.

There are REALLY a lot of famous centers out there. I've been trying to balance the players in each position, but that means saying that some shorter centers are PF/Cs. Still have like 10 on the to-do list.
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.3 -- Cousy, Mikan, stars of the 80s!

Postby arkaeyn on Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:45 am

Another new version, where I started add several players drafted in the early 1980s. Most all of these guys were in the game already, but I wanted to start adding a 1980s/early 1990s flair to my association, so I enrookified them. Added a few more role players too.


PG
Isaiah Thomas
Magic Johnson

SG
Michael Jordan
Byron Scott
Craig Ehlo

SF
James Worthy
Larry Bird
Jerome Kersey

PF
Charles Barkley
Kevin McHale
Larry Nance
Bill Laimbeer
Kurt Rambis

C
Robert Parish
Hakeem Olajuwon
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.3 -- Cousy, Mikan, stars of the 80s!

Postby arkaeyn on Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:28 am

And here's the player TODO list.

Hidden Players:

Dan Issel
Bobby Jones
Dale Ellis
Ralph Sampson
Rick Barry
Wes Unseld
Micheal Ray Richardson

Classic in-game players

Moses Malone
Gail Goodrich
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
John Havlicek
Tommy Heinsohn
Julius Erving
Pete Maravich
Jerry Lucas
Willis Reed
Sam Jones
Sam Perkins

89/91 draft players

Tim Hardaway
Vlade Divac
Steve Smith
Dikembe Mutombo
Larry Johnson
Shawn Kemp
Dale Davis
Pervis Ellison
Sean Elliot
Cliff Robinson
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Re: Classic Rookies v0.3 -- Cousy, Mikan, stars of the 80s!

Postby arkaeyn on Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:37 pm

Getting a pretty good number of views but not many downloads. Is it the lack of a draft class/complication of adding rookies? Should I put them in a team pack somehow? What do you want, basketball fans?
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