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Sure ring matters the most. I'm 25, so I watch NBA with sanity since 1997. I saw MJ's last 2 championships and ALL Kobe's rings. Man, the amount of titles is what shut people's mouth, but we have to be careful with the role that particular player had when he won the right to use the ring. You can't compare Robert Horry(who has 7 rings) to Jordan!! You can't compare Ron Harper to Kobe just because both have 5 rings!!!
I never saw Bill Russel playing, Kareem, etc. So the best player after Jordan is Kobe. Man, I hate comparisons, they make everybody look stupid, even myself.
And just to finish that off-topic contribution of mine: I think D-Wade is better than LeBron also...

bla bla bla I am 29 and I am from Utah and if you cant agree with players like magic Johnson and people like Phil Jackson when they say there will never be another mike then to me you dont know what you are talking about and shit man if you are 25 and watching the last two championships you must have been what 10 lol cause i was only 14 but regardless bill Russell was tall and could stand in the middle because in those days they didn't see players that size its the same reason wilt the stilt was able to score 100 points in one game pure dominance in size period, I dont buy that crap that bill Russell was the greatest ever

I dont care with anybody say....jordan is the best.....always will be the best and thats that.the things jordan did! would just make you look at the tv like and say wow,like magic said the way he dominated the game was just stunning.and you cant compare that to anyone especially to LeBron a player that hasnt even won anything yet.

The best thing about MJ is his will to win the game specially in NBA Finals, nobody beats MJ in NBA Finals he's 6-0 and in that Finals they never went to game 7

Sure ring matters the most. I'm 25, so I watch NBA with sanity since 1997. I saw MJ's last 2 championships and ALL Kobe's rings. Man, the amount of titles is what shut people's mouth, but we have to be careful with the role that particular player had when he won the right to use the ring. You can't compare Robert Horry(who has 7 rings) to Jordan!! You can't compare Ron Harper to Kobe just because both have 5 rings!!!
I never saw Bill Russel playing, Kareem, etc. So the best player after Jordan is Kobe. Man, I hate comparisons, they make everybody look stupid, even myself.
And just to finish that off-topic contribution of mine: I think D-Wade is better than LeBron also...

bla bla bla I am 29 and I am from Utah and if you cant agree with players like magic Johnson and people like Phil Jackson when they say there will never be another mike then to me you dont know what you are talking about and shit man if you are 25 and watching the last two championships you must have been what 10 lol cause i was only 14 but regardless bill Russell was tall and could stand in the middle because in those days they didn't see players that size its the same reason wilt the stilt was able to score 100 points in one game pure dominance in size period, I dont buy that crap that bill Russell was the greatest ever

I can't understand you, the point of my post was exactly to say that MJ is the best and Kobe after him, of course. But the best player I've ever seen with the right age to understand things clearly is Kobe. And let me say something Kobe has 5 rings and on 3 of them, he had a secondary role(The diesel being the star) and the other 2 he was the man, everybody knows that. So, I could never say that someone who won 6 rings, the way he did, is not the best. He is and will always be.
But, if Kobe could win 4 more titles(something impossible in my point of view) being the star and the leader we could start to think about a comparison.
I think Kobe has a leadership nature, a competitive nature that is just the drive it's needed to make winners. Playing with the head is what separate players like Jordan and kobe from the rest. Jordan is God and Kobe is Jesus. You can never touch God, because he created you.

why even think kobe could win 4 more rings before he retires. after what kobe did against the mavs this year,pau is not playing like he use to. and with Phil leaving.no way in hell

why even think kobe could win 4 more rings before he retires. after what kobe did against the mavs this year,pau is not playing like he use to. and with Phil leaving.no way in hell

Yeah, I feel that way too, but they are still playing and the only guy in that team that I think is way too weak is D-Fish. Kobe can win, Pau can still win and Bynum hasn't show us yet what he came for, so if he has a healty season and play what he can. I don't think the Lakers being a experienced team, can't win. Even with a such strong East side. I mean, c'mon man, they are not dead. But my point is, I doubt he can win 4 more, but 1 I don't think is impossible.

Sure ring matters the most. I'm 25, so I watch NBA with sanity since 1997. I saw MJ's last 2 championships and ALL Kobe's rings. Man, the amount of titles is what shut people's mouth, but we have to be careful with the role that particular player had when he won the right to use the ring. You can't compare Robert Horry(who has 7 rings) to Jordan!! You can't compare Ron Harper to Kobe just because both have 5 rings!!!
I never saw Bill Russel playing, Kareem, etc. So the best player after Jordan is Kobe. Man, I hate comparisons, they make everybody look stupid, even myself.
And just to finish that off-topic contribution of mine: I think D-Wade is better than LeBron also...

bla bla bla I am 29 and I am from Utah and if you cant agree with players like magic Johnson and people like Phil Jackson when they say there will never be another mike then to me you dont know what you are talking about and shit man if you are 25 and watching the last two championships you must have been what 10 lol cause i was only 14 but regardless bill Russell was tall and could stand in the middle because in those days they didn't see players that size its the same reason wilt the stilt was able to score 100 points in one game pure dominance in size period, I dont buy that crap that bill Russell was the greatest ever

I can't understand you, the point of my post was exactly to say that MJ is the best and Kobe after him, of course. But the best player I've ever seen with the right age to understand things clearly is Kobe. And let me say something Kobe has 5 rings and on 3 of them, he had a secondary role(The diesel being the star) and the other 2 he was the man, everybody knows that. So, I could never say that someone who won 6 rings, the way he did, is not the best. He is and will always be.
But, if Kobe could win 4 more titles(something impossible in my point of view) being the star and the leader we could start to think about a comparison.
I think Kobe has a leadership nature, a competitive nature that is just the drive it's needed to make winners. Playing with the head is what separate players like Jordan and kobe from the rest. Jordan is God and Kobe is Jesus. You can never touch God, because he created you.

No again Kobe is no Jesus at Kobe's age this last NBA finals Michael Jordan was scoring 30 + per game in those series..... Kobe wasn't doing anything he didn't dominate so Kobe could never be Jesus lets call him a disciple of god that title would fit him better

Some players really payed the price being compared with Jordan and collapse under high expectations they get from the media of themselves.

Someone remind "Baby Jordan"?

Hey guys by the looks of this not much has changed even the score board hasn't changed much i think our mod just might transfer over
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=81817

why even think kobe could win 4 more rings before he retires. after what kobe did against the mavs this year,pau is not playing like he use to. and with Phil leaving.no way in hell

Yeah, I feel that way too, but they are still playing and the only guy in that team that I think is way too weak is D-Fish. Kobe can win, Pau can still win and Bynum hasn't show us yet what he came for, so if he has a healty season and play what he can. I don't think the Lakers being a experienced team, can't win. Even with a such strong East side. I mean, c'mon man, they are not dead. But my point is, I doubt he can win 4 more, but 1 I don't think is impossible.

there not going anywhere without phil

Hey guys by the looks of this not much has changed even the score board hasn't changed much i think our mod just might transfer over
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=81817

told you stomp

Hey guys by the looks of this not much has changed even the score board hasn't changed much i think our mod just might transfer over
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=81817

told you stomp

You did but lets not get too pumped just in case our hopes are crushed but if i can start playing 96-97 right out of the gates when 2k12 comes ill be in heaven then we can only perfect it from there, and that would give us more than enough time to perfect

that would be insane if we could!

Some players really payed the price being compared with Jordan and collapse under high expectations they get from the media of themselves.

Someone remind "Baby Jordan"?

THISSSSSSS!!! all respect to you Radio. Harold Effing Miner!

Miami Heat history 101, great player, spectaular dunks but where is he now "/

It was the damn coaches that killed his career. Alvin Gentry if I'm not mistaken. He barely played in any team he was in (Heat and Cavs), sure he was a high-flyer but he lived above the rim and not in the real world.

Some players really payed the price being compared with Jordan and collapse under high expectations they get from the media of themselves.

Someone remind "Baby Jordan"?

THISSSSSSS!!! all respect to you Radio. Harold Effing Miner!

Miami Heat history 101, great player, spectaular dunks but where is he now "/

It was the damn coaches that killed his career. Alvin Gentry if I'm not mistaken. He barely played in any team he was in (Heat and Cavs), sure he was a high-flyer but he lived above the rim and not in the real world.

there is more to being a great player than the highlights

the legends of 2k12 are announced http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videoga ... =fullstory
half of the work will be done for us modders thanks to all the retro teams and filled out benches

the legends of 2k12 are announced http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videoga ... =fullstory
half of the work will be done for us modders thanks to all the retro teams and filled out benches

I wouldnt exactly say half LOL

you know they have a ton of hidden players and since they filled out the bench with accurate players that is closer to half

you know they have a ton of hidden players and since they filled out the bench with accurate players that is closer to half

I think we will find many, its just like last year ostertag was hidden when he could have easily been added to the jazz so they must not have been able to contact him so i agree with jaelove I bet there will be many hidden players that 2k planned on adding but didn't I think i am gonna go to basketball reference and look up each one of these teams to get an idea of who we will see in the game from the bench and other starters, if you guys want i will post here

Yeah post it here stomp,i will also like to know

you know they have a ton of hidden players and since they filled out the bench with accurate players that is closer to half

I think we will find many, its just like last year ostertag was hidden when he could have easily been added to the jazz so they must not have been able to contact him so i agree with jaelove I bet there will be many hidden players that 2k planned on adding but didn't I think i am gonna go to basketball reference and look up each one of these teams to get an idea of who we will see in the game from the bench and other starters, if you guys want i will post here

that's what I've been doing I've been on basketball reference since the news dropped and they've covered a lot of ground for us this is exciting this mod will be released a lot sooner next year maybe even before the new year if all goes as planned

stomp you don't even have to do that on twitter Ronnie said " The full rosters for each of those teams will be revealed in the #NBA2K12 NBA's Greatest Developer Insight tomorrow."

stomp you don't even have to do that on twitter Ronnie said " The full rosters for each of those teams will be revealed in the #NBA2K12 NBA's Greatest Developer Insight tomorrow."

OK sounds even better

cant wait to see what else ...hope they added intros and a lot more presentation

cant wait to see what else ...hope they added intros and a lot more presentation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoxDS-Mp-hY