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Postby Hedonist on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:29 pm

DOWNLOAD HEDONISM5.ROS

(many thanks to Davoor for a great contribution!)


Download Mr.Xcitement96' portraits with Doug Collins
(thanks for sharing Mr.X and Davoor for making the Doug Collins portrait)

Download Doug Collins CF by Killer Crossover aka OG & koresh-NIK (thanks for sharing!)

IMPORTANT! you need Kova's additional files:
viewtopic.php?f=125&t=69878


(credit to Kova19 for his FA update which I used as base, and to Mr.Excitement for the portraits - their work is in the links).

VISIT HIS THREAD and READ the first POST there, and Download all the links!!!!
(except the Jersey patch if you don't want it)

ALL KOVA's ROSTER UPDATES in his thread contain NECESSARY CF'S SO DOWNLOAD ALL LINKS!


after downloading everything:

portraits file > nba2k10 map in Program files
roster > Saves map in appdata/roaming
png files > nba2k10 map

You'll find some need to be renamed.

example: evan_turner_png1403.iff (i just made up the number) needs to be changed to png1403.iff and so forth...

then put in your Nba2k10 map of Program files, ALL those CF's (most are rookies)

then start 2k load the roster and you're good to go (Y)

p.s all the credit for the CF's goes to the patchers who made them and co-operated with Kova19

my roster is basically a small add-on building on the work of many patchers. credit to them. (Y)
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features:

- many tendencies and hot spots tweaked. no more random 3 pt shooting bigs any more.
Instead Channing Frye now actually does shoot 3's.
- realistic rotations and realistic statlines (imo) and most importantly, realistic results.
example: Milwaukee is a playoff team.

- Cf's corresponding with Kova's downloads and portraits from Mr.Excitement
- transactions updated
- every player's age is updated
- measurements rookies updated
- jersey numbers updated



yet to come:

- more skills/statline tweaking, rotation tweaks and coaches tweaks (also based on feedback)
- an effort to solve the rookies not developing-bug
- draft class(es)

note on the rotations:

- some injured or injury prone players play limited minutes (<30), like Yao (still puts up 18/9 lol), Bynum, Oden, J-Howard, and Perkins completely out of rotation, Shaq and JO so, for a change.

- some guys start but play <30 because their back up is good, or for strategic reasons. for example Calderon/Jack, Beno, Pachulia starts to put Horford at PF to start but only plays 20+ mins or so, Turiaf and Okur start but make place for AR and Millsap major minutes, Ginobili off the bench, Z starts but plays shortly. Oh and I put LBJ at pg since we're talking Heat.

- the only real screwed up rotation is Detroit. I don't know what to do with it, their roster is messed up. :cheeky:

please try it and enjoy!

I recommend to use for your setting increased fouling* and adjusted shooting succes for your sliders^.
especially the fouling

* charge foul 90
block and shooting 80
loose ball 100
reach-in 50

^ user/cpu same sliders
inside 41/41
close 43/43
midrange 45/45
three 45/45
layup and dunk 43/43
dunk in traffic 42/42


those I have set myself so if it influences simming which I don't know, then those are the ones that got the results as they are.

details about version 1 here.
details about version 2 here.
details about version 3 here.



previous OP:
To be released asap (this weekend).

Based on Kova's Free Agency Update. Credit to him and thanks for letting me use it as base. :)

This means you'll have to download all suplementary stuff from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=125&t=69878
(everything except the roster itself)

features:

:arrow: skills update
:arrow: rotation update (my interpretation)
:arrow: tendencies update
:arrow: CF's updated from Kova Free Agency
:arrow: every player's age +1 (Y)
:arrow: updated trades and signings until release date

results:

:arrow: Durant averages 29-30 ppg, Kobe and Melo average 27-28 ppg, Bogut averages 15+/10/2, Blake Griffin leads the Clips in scoring, Brook Lopez averages 20 ppg and more than Harris, Artest no longer outscores Pau Gasol... (you get the picture)

:arrow: rookie big men no longer shoot threes (Cole Aldrich for threeeeeee! :lol: )

realistic team records (Y)

9 times out of 10 the Lakers and Heat win 60 games or more

Curry and Ellis average 23 ppg and Lee 19-10 but the Warriors miss the playoffs 9 times out of 10

(this is actually one of the biggest reasons I'm not releasing it yet because I can't find a way to make the Bucks competitive yet)

stay tuned! :mrgreen:
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats)

Postby flam1ng n1nja11 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:31 pm

sounds promising!! cant wait!!

for their contracts. what are you doing for the free agents that are still on teams in 2k10 but with no contract?? you put them in the FA Pool?
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats)

Postby Hedonist on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:41 pm

some yeah. but it's not really a priority, except when I have to dump somebody to make room.

I had to cut Magloire from Miami to add House. Didn't want to cut the rookies. And I wanted to add Dorsey to Toronto but their roster is full so I'm not sure. But like I said it's not really a priority. Most I'm doing is editing players and their tendencies. Like tendency to foul, have to lower that on some guys or they won't average 30+ minutes and won't get their stats, like Bogut, Noah, Boozer. all those guys didn't get their rebounds but now they do and they average 3 fouls instead of 4.
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats)

Postby flam1ng n1nja11 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:51 pm

sounds very nice man :) looking forward to using bogut to his full potentional! hahaha.
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats)

Postby Killer Crossover aka OG on Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:05 pm

Good Work Hedo (Y) and you are now in the Suns-Team (Y) more Action :lol:
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats)

Postby IcemanOutlaw on Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:15 am

this what i have been waiting for! some real tendencies and rotations! (Y)

quick question hedo, how about those rookies (undrafted) that Kova haven't created yet? did u make a default cf?

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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats)

Postby Hedonist on Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:53 am

Killer Crossover aka OG wrote:Good Work Hedo (Y) and you are now in the Suns-Team (Y) more Action :lol:

LOL, thanks. :wink: I already kinda jumped on the bandwagon in the playoffs :lol: but I'm staying true to the Raps too even though I did join the fan base following in Hedo's footsteps.. grown to like 'm. Bargs-Davis-DeRozan-Kleiza, I like that core. #1 pick point guard and there you go.. but I'm definitely following the Suns with a little extra interest hehe.

IcemanOutlaw wrote:this what i have been waiting for! some real tendencies and rotations! (Y)

quick question hedo, how about those rookies (undrafted) that Kova haven't created yet? did u make a default cf?

thanks in advance!

I'm not sure about undrafted rookies.. I don't know them I think, and I'm definitely not a CF patcher. I do want to add some drafted rookies that are missing though, like Landry Fields for the Knicks. Maybe more if I know who's missing. Would be great if somebody else could make CF's for them.

You're welcome.

I just came back home, am gonna work on the Bucks again. Gonna try Maggette in the starting five see if that helps. That's the biggest thing I need to correct then the rest is details, I've done the most part.

I'll do some previewing later.
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats)

Postby IcemanOutlaw on Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:53 am

Hedonist wrote:I'm not sure about undrafted rookies.. I don't know them I think, and I'm definitely not a CF patcher. I do want to add some drafted rookies that are missing though, like Landry Fields for the Knicks. Maybe more if I know who's missing. Would be great if somebody else could make CF's for them.


yeah and same with Pape Sy and others. it would be great too if you can put some rookies even in a default cf. what matters is that they will have a spot on the roster. and some tweaks can be done in Reditor.

Im looking forward of your great roster patch. (Y)
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats)

Postby Hedonist on Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:52 am

Preview:

PPG leaders:

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a few teams:

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Playoff tree:

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Sadly, no Milwaukee Bucks. 27-55 after I put Maggette in the starting line up, lol.

So still working on that.

@ IcemanOutlaw: if you could list the rookies you want and provide a link to their draft info or profile that would be a nice help. would save me some research. thanks
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Postby gOry on Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:22 pm

great job bro :applaud:
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Postby IcemanOutlaw on Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:56 pm

here are some of the rookies made by suriad

viewtopic.php?f=125&t=73788

use this as a base.
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats) PRE

Postby Hedonist on Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:40 pm

gOry wrote:great job bro :applaud:

thank you (Y)
IcemanOutlaw wrote:here are some of the rookies made by suriad

viewtopic.php?f=125&t=73788

use this as a base.

That's not really practical. I'd have to open that roster to edit another one. And the main thing I don't want to do is check all the rosters and the entire draft to check who's missing. So if you just name the rookies you miss then that's much better. :wink:
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats) PRE

Postby Hedonist on Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:52 pm

more preview:

rebounders:

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some notes:

I turned up crash the boards for Miami but Bosh still doesn't get 10 rebs per game but his scoring is up so I think he gets more putbacks, which I think is realistic. LeBRon and Wade keep him from going 20/10 though.

Stats will differ from sim to sim. I think not only fouls but also garbage time has some influence to eat into some player's minutes & numbers. You see here Marc Gasol has 9.5 rebounds, he had 11.0 one sime earlier and I only made his def rebounding 2 lower in between.

Rookie watch:

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From Wall to P.George are pegged as starters and Aldrich and Aminu too. Ed Davis plays 24 mins off the bench.
Jeremy Lin is scoring a lot because the GS bench is depleted and his shooting tendency is high.
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update (Realistic results & stats) PRE

Postby XpLosibo on Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:16 pm

im also using kova's roster, im in the playoffs now and here are some info that i noticed in my association - Durant & CP3 both got the "All-Star Snob" - Boozer, Bosh, Oden were disturbed w/ lack of playing time. LBJ is MVP, D12 defensive playr, John Wall rookie of the year, and Ronnie Brewer (chi) is a 1st time All-Star :) My suggestion on ur update is try to check on the players' position (esp. the 2nd position) like ex. Serge Ibaka is a PF-SF in Kova's Roster, i think it should be PF-C or C only. I'll be checking some more info that needs adjustment (Y)
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Postby Hedonist on Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:28 pm

XpLosibo wrote:im also using kova's roster, im in the playoffs now and here are some info that i noticed in my association - Durant & CP3 both got the "All-Star Snob" - Boozer, Bosh, Oden were disturbed w/ lack of playing time. LBJ is MVP, D12 defensive playr, John Wall rookie of the year, and Ronnie Brewer (chi) is a 1st time All-Star :) My suggestion on ur update is try to check on the players' position (esp. the 2nd position) like ex. Serge Ibaka is a PF-SF in Kova's Roster, i think it should be PF-C or C only. I'll be checking some more info that needs adjustment (Y)

Durant won't get snubbed in this one I don't think lol, he's the scoring leader so.. I don't worry about player roles & chemnistry, that's turned off in my tests and probably in my games too, I don't like it, players just get worse. Boozer and Bosh lack of PT gimme a break :lol: I do check on secondary positions, think Ibaka is already changed.
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Postby Canbuorgh on Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:05 pm

bro, also please fix some height issues, like most of the rookies being an inch shorter than official measurements.
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Postby Hedonist on Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:13 pm

Yeah I noticed John Wall should be an inch taller. But there's another issue with the rookies that's more important and keeping me busy right now. They don't develop. Somebody sent me a pm about it that made me look at that, trying to fix that if it's possible.
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update FIRST VERSION IS OUT!!

Postby Hedonist on Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:40 pm

Huge update in the first post. If you read it all you deserve a cookie. Plus downloadlink for the first version is there. It's still raw though.

Okay, here comes a huge update. Get your coffee ready. :)

1st version.

Try it, sim some, give some feedback.

features:
- every player's age +1
- measurements rookies updated
- Cf's corresponding
- many tendencies tweaked. no more random 3 pt shooting bigs any more.
Instead Channing Frye now actually does shoot 3's.
- realistic rotations (imo) and realistic results-statlines (again, imo lol)

yet to come:
- transactions fully updated
- more skills/statline tweaking, rotation tweaks and coaches tweaks (also based on feedback)
- an effort to solve the rookies not developing-bug
- some (un)drafted rookies added

note on the rotations:

- some injured or injury prone players play limited minutes (<30), like Yao (still puts up 18/9 lol), Bynum, Oden, J-Howard, and Perkins completely out of rotation, Shaq and JO so, for a change.

- some guys start but play <30 because their back up is good, or for strategic reasons. for example Calderon/Jack, Beno, Pachulia starts to put Horford at PF to start but only plays 20+ mins or so, Turiaf and Okur start but make place for AR and Millsap major minutes, Ginobili off the bench, Z starts but plays shortly. Oh and I put LBJ at pg since we're talking Heat.

- I went out with Ibaka starting and Jeff Green as 6th man and forgot to reverse it.

- the only real screwed up rotation is Detroit. I don't know what to do with it, their roster is messed up. :cheeky:

please try it and enjoy!

Oh and, before I forget, I don't know how it will play, only how it sims. I hope the play will be just as good and realistic.

I recommend to use for your setting increased fouling* and adjusted shooting succes for your sliders^.
(but I look forward to feedback how it plays on other settings too (Y) )

* charge foul 100
block and shooting 75
loose ball 100
reaching 50 or so ( I think)

^ user/cpu same sliders
inside 41/41
close 43/43
midrange 45/45
three 45/45
layup and dunk 43/43
dunk in traffic 42/42

those I have set myself so if it influences simming which I don't know, then those are the ones that got the results as they are.

Commentary:

First of all, if you hate high ratings get out while you still can. :cool: More about that later.

First let me tell you the test results so far and some background on a few decisions I made in the proces.

For the Western Conference I can say that if tere were 9 playoff spots you can pretty much predict who qualifies. It's always one of the 9 that misses out from the playoff teams this year + the Rockets. Sometimes there's a surprise but not too often.

Lakers dominate, usually 1st seed. Denver, Dallas, Utah hardly ever miss the playoffs. Denver once made the finals and so did Utah, but 8 times out of 10 it's LA. Blazers, Rockets, OKC, Phoenix and San Antonio are less predictable. They can go from HCA one time to being 9th the next.

Teams like Warriors, Clippers, Hornets slip through every once in a while, but it's not to be expected. I have to take a look at making the Grizzlies a little better, they seem to never get over the hump.

Btw all these tests were done with me controlling all 30 teams (so nobody would sign anybody or trade) and with injuries, chemnistry and all that stuff OFF.

So obviously trades and injuries would have an effect normally and make things even more unpredictable but I wanted controlled results.

Then the East. Milwaukee. I've been micromanaging them for ages feels like now. It's been fun really, but a tough task as well. It has lead to, at first glance, a big overrating (rating, literally) of their players, you could say. I had to find a way to get them to play defense, and I have made many many minor and major upgrades of their players in many many occasions and then re-tested. As well as tweaked the rotation, and also the 'coach profile' of Skott Skiles.

Bare in mind though, I always tried to make realistic improvements. Most things didn't help anyway. Or not enough to get them in the playoffs regularly, which I think should be the standard. They should have a real good shot after what they did last year.

So, again, I tried to stay true to the real players. So I didn't just upgrade Drew Gooden's defense which would have solved everything. ;)

Finally, I had to drop him from the starting five. As well as put Maggette in which I both didn't prefer.
I wanted Jennings/Salmons/Mbah-a-Moute/Gooden/Bogut with Maggette as super-6th man but it didn't work.

So I ended up after trying every combination possible with:

Jennings/Salmons/Maggette/Ilyasova/Bogut, 6: Mbah-a-Moute, 7: Gooden, 8: Dooling, 9: Delfino

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Looks good right?

I'm very happy with those statlines. And the results they've been having as a team. I would say that now they make the playoffs 3 out of 4 times, and with a winning record, outscoring their opponents on average by 1.5 pts. As opposed to making the playoffs 1x every 5 sims with a losing record, after already many upgrades and trial even.

One of the keys to having turned them around is making them gang rebound, play hard nose D as a team (coach slider of defensive pressure and crash the boards at 100%) while all having a very low tendency to foul.

Which is imo realistic because of a few reasons. They do play hard nose D and I looked this up, they had the 2nd lowest fg % as a team last year. Better only than NJ Nets. :shock:

So they make up for it elsewhere. More possessions. I can hear Skiles say this in a scrum right now: "Extra possessions guys" and "don't put them on the charity stripe". Which they don't, I looked this up too, they were 7th last in fouling or so with 23 fouls per game.

Now I have them also playing slow pace. Btw I do hope the coach sliders are included in the Roster because they're an instrumental part of the design of how stats are put out.

It's pretty cool, the Bucks have a lot of close games, I had one season where it felt like more than 10 one-point games which was crazy. :lol: A lot of close games and they can keep a team below 80 every now and then, don't have to score 100+ to win every time. And now their range is from 3rd seed to 10th I guess which I think is perfect.

Okay, so now it's time to put your coffee down.

Because here's the scary part. The ratings of your average Bucks role players... (drumrolls) :cheeky:

Remember the box score before you go nuts on me! ;)

Ilyasova 80
Mbah-a-Moute 79
Maggette 79
Gooden 77

and, a little less shocking, I suppose

Salmons 81
Jennings 81
Bogut 85


I guess a lot of people will think those guys are overrated, literally. You can say that's so and I wouldn't disagree.

For example Ilyasova is now 3 pts higher than John Wall. The CPU will probably accept the offer if you send it out and maybe even add his first rounder, haha. If you want to abuse that that's fine, I really don't care, that's not the point of this roster. Because that's what trade override can do anyway.

The point here is realism, and look back at the numbers Ilyasova put up: 8 & 5 with 1 assist and a block. In 28 minutes, btw.
And might I add, on horrible shooting.

So he is not 80 to beast on the floor, he won't. I had to upgrade a lot of ratings to make them play some defense. Especially with staying true to the team. Bogut can't defend the perimeter so he still has F per D. Mbah a Moute has A and B+ defense now. I came from him being 72 with B B defense... might tone him down a bit but I think defense is what he does so.. it's good.

Interesting bit about both, and Gooden. All have A or A- rebounding now. This made their rating a lot higher. Most is in offensive rebounding. All three of those guys averaged 2 offensive boards per game or more last season, no kidding, every single one in less than starter minutes too. I can't upgrade them enough to make them grab them in the game. You need huge rebounding to get offensive boards. Only Dwight can get 3+ per game and he's got huge vert. So basicly all 3 have 95 or more for offensive rebounding now. That's necessary to make them grab 2 a game. Just like 2 steals per game is like 80 for steals at certain pace.

This made their rebounding A- or A. They all hardly grab 6 or 7 boards a game though, so don't be fooled by it.

For example, Andrea Bargnani is rated 78, and has C+ rebounding. He still gets more rebounds than them.

If I, and I have done it to test it out, upgrade Bargnani's offensive rebounding to 99 (is 70 now), then he bumps to 80 rating, his rebounding goes to A-, and he only grabs one extra board, maybe.

So it's about what they put out. Realistic results.

And the CPU acknowledges the stats, not the ratings. Because every now and then Bargnani gets picked for NBA 3rd team despite just being 78. Crazy, I know, but I guess they don't really value team records. :wink: And sometimes he averages like 20/8/2 so that's pretty good.

The rest of the East is doing nicely. Sometimes a fluke team making the playoffs, like Nets, or Pistons, Pacers, Wiz, but usually the same as last year plus NY and minus Cavs most times but not always. Heat, Magic and Celtics all made the finals although Celtics only once I think. Bobcats take care of business despite being depleted or upgraded by me, except GWall's rebound that is and Tyrus Thomas a little bit.

So without further a-do:

http://rs489.rapidshare.com/files/41302 ... onism1.ROS

Thanks. Kudo's for reading the whole post if you did. :bowdown: :lol: :shock:
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update FIRST VERSION IS OUT!!

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DL link is out of slots......please re-up (Y) (Y) (Y)
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update FIRST VERSION IS OUT!!

Postby IcemanOutlaw on Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:17 pm

thanks Hedo! ill try this one now.
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update FIRST VERSION IS OUT!!

Postby Batzmanz on Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:44 pm

I got alot of Fantasy type rosters so it's awesome to have a realistic one. Great job man!
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update FIRST VERSION IS OUT!!

Postby mephistomania on Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:03 pm

Perfect job!
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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update FIRST VERSION IS OUT!!

Postby Behindshadows on Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:26 pm

Great job man, had to take a few rookies off of 1 on the roster editor, because I have CF's for them...but everything else is on point...

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Re: Hedonist's Roster Update FIRST VERSION IS OUT!!

Postby gOry on Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:32 pm

great work bro..ty.. :applaud:
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