Signature shots and their success rate

[Patr1ck]

I did a small test and I believe I am on to something. I was always wondering why I could never hit 3 pointers or jumpshots consistently in My Player mode or in any mode for that fact. I used Raja Bell's signature shot as it's pretty close to my quick release jumper in real life. So, I went to edit player and changed my player's signature shot to Larry Bird.

All of a sudden I can't miss from the outside. Even bad releases go in. I thought it might have something to do with the release point so I started purposely releasing early and late and they would still go in. Then I thought it could have something to do with how slow the shot is and maybe it just has a bigger "perfect release" window even though I was getting "bad release" during shootaround. So I tried a different jumpshot that was slow and started missing. I have a theory that certain jumpshots will give you higher percentages depending on the skill of the player the jumpshot belongs to. Anybody else want to try this and see what they find?

[shadowgrin]

Zihinmaster, the dude who made tutorial videos for 2k8 and 2K9 mentioned something in the comments in one of his videos that some players don't require the user to release the shot at the top of the jump for the shot to be successful. He didn't elaborate on which players though.

[Sportsgamer]

Feel like that too. I cant hit with Lebrons or Wbsters release. But I remember that last year you couldnt miss with Kobe.
Often in training mode I feel that some shots have a longer timing window, but in some cases you dont even have to release perfect, in fact, I found out that with Hardens shot its better to release when it says a bit early than when its "perfect"

[Patr1ck]

Zihinmaster, the dude who made tutorial videos for 2k8 and 2K9 mentioned something in the comments in one of his videos that some players don't require the user to release the shot at the top of the jump for the shot to be successful. He didn't elaborate on which players though.

I can understand that but the problem comes with the sig shots that do require you to release at the top of the jump. The shot success is just too inconsistent. Since I used Raja Bell's jumpshot, I often get frustrated when I shoot a wide open 3 with a release at the top of the jump only to have it brick more often than not, and then release late or early and have it swish. I switched to Troy Murphy's sig shot and all of a sudden I can "feel" whether the shot will be successful or not, although his shot is a bit slow for my taste.

I remember this from 2K9 when I had Stephen Jackson on my team. His shot was generally slow and had a bugged release point, but I could still knock it down with consistency.

Maybe it only has to do with the slow shots having a bigger release window, or a combination of that plus my theory of the shot's success rate in relation to the skills of the real life player whom it is assigned.

[kenwong]

i think the perfect release thing has been bugged for quite a while now... and yes i agree that slower shots tend to have a bigger release window.. but you get blocked kinda often.. so it's a bit of a trade off

[fasz]

I tryed different sigshot and there's definitively a release point, but in game there's a lot of factor , success rate, defender hands , wild open shot etc.
on my player mode i tryed "standard jumpshot", "high follow" "mace" and now "waves" . these 4 forms got differents release points i can hit more jumpshot with waves due to release point .
the best way to get a considererd wild open shot is to drive -> step back = wild open shot , I try this technique several times and i rarely miss my shot

[zxider]

wew tose 4 are the best shotiing styles

[5PiRiTa5]

Soo, this is all about the ball release quickness? The faster u release the ball the better chance u will make shot ?

[fasz]

its all about " action /reaction " even if you're a fast shooter like marion if a guy put his hand in front of you, your chance decrease a lil bit , call for pick and roll , step back , drive , try to get open , it's the best way to have high rate of success

[Modifly]

I have a theory that certain jumpshots will give you higher percentages depending on the skill of the player the jumpshot belongs to.

I believe in your theory. I used to use Quick Launch for my player and I couldn't hit 3 pointers consistently even when my player is a 3pt specialist and most of the 3pt shots I took were wide open. Then I decided to change to Pike (which is McGrady's sigshot but somehow 2K labeled it as Pike), it has quick release and it is very difficult to time the perfect release and I still couldn't hit from the 3pt land on a regular basis. I will try to give my player a signature shot of a sharpshooter later on and see what happens this time.

[vashyoung]

in theory...

quick release was develop for clutch time... also to take shot faster before the defender can react... which also DECREASE your accuracy because you tend to hurry...

I use gerald wallace jumpshot.. its a bit high release...

[MadLaker]

I have noticed it as well... 'though haven't yet tested enough to be certain...

i have a real trouble hitting with L.Aldridge, maybe it's just me in this case, don't know.. can anyone help with a little tip?

[Phreezy P]

I have noticed it as well... 'though haven't yet tested enough to be certain...

i have a real trouble hitting with L.Aldridge, maybe it's just me in this case, don't know.. can anyone help with a little tip?

Really, I've been droppin treys with aldridge on default sliders! Try raisng the shootin sliders a bit.

[Vl@d Zola Jr.]

I suppose, success of the release doesn't depend on animation. Simply some animations have bugged release points and windows. Maybe even something is not synchronized, that is why when Bird has "Bad Shot" it still falls... the reason may be: release window is buggy and it lasts for all the time during the shot, but some other thing is about that bad-good timing show...
So, I hope, they will fix it in the patch.

[MadLaker]

I have noticed it as well... 'though haven't yet tested enough to be certain...

i have a real trouble hitting with L.Aldridge, maybe it's just me in this case, don't know.. can anyone help with a little tip?

Really, I've been droppin treys with aldridge on default sliders! Try raisng the shootin sliders a bit.

Funny.. no need to raise the slider, cuz i don't have any trouble with most of the players.... do you release quikly or ...?

I suppose, success of the release doesn't depend on animation. Simply some animations have bugged release points and windows. Maybe even something is not synchronized, that is why when Bird has "Bad Shot" it still falls... the reason may be: release window is buggy and it lasts for all the time during the shot, but some other thing is about that bad-good timing show...
So, I hope, they will fix it in the patch.

well. if some shots have buggy release windows (which was suspected alla along) then it is related to the animation..
but i agree with your point!

[Vl@d Zola Jr.]

if some shots have buggy release windows (which was suspected alla along) then it is related to the animation..

I mean, if just reassign animations and timings, these bugs will be fixed. So, bugs depend on the whole Sig. Shot record (structure), which includes animation, release point, release window, timigs, etc., etc. If just copy animation to another such a record, bug will be fixed. We should take a look on some files, which represents these timing-configs for different animations.

[Phreezy P]

I release fairly quickly. If you watch aldridge in real life, and you time it the same it should be good. It just has to be a perfect release. Maybe if you still fail, you might not be in his hot spot.

[MadLaker]

if some shots have buggy release windows (which was suspected alla along) then it is related to the animation..

I mean, if just reassign animations and timings, these bugs will be fixed. So, bugs depend on the whole Sig. Shot record (structure), which includes animation, release point, release window, timigs, etc., etc. If just copy animation to another such a record, bug will be fixed. We should take a look on some files, which represents these timing-configs for different animations.

ok, understood. but sadly not a thing i now how to do but the idea is good!

I release fairly quickly. If you watch aldridge in real life, and you time it the same it should be good. It just has to be a perfect release. Maybe if you still fail, you might not be in his hot spot.

Ok. i'm having more success allready, so thnx!

[humongousgravy]

I think it has more to do with the release time. Some people can hit with Pierce and Kobe and maybe KG, but I cant shoot for shucks with them. I shoot well with Roy, Tyreke Evans, Mace, and Duhon. I practised many times and my theory is not to look at the perfect release, but when the player twists his wrists and is about to release his shot. If you release at the moment he releases ( or he is supposed to release) you'll get a Perfect Release and a bucket nine times out of ten. Try it. It works for me.

So for me its the animation that helps.

[MadLaker]

Has anyone else noticed that sometimes when youre in the freestyle practice mode shooting, the game tells you how your release was, but sometimes you can't make a shot with "perfect release" and are shooting best with for example "Good release (late)" or smthng.

So my theory is, that in the practice mode, the release point said by the game, is not correct (does not include all animations but with many!)

any thoughts?

[Patr1ck]

Yes. I have also noticed that if you are moving slightly the game takes a second to start the shooting animation, but I still think it uses the release timing starting from the moment you move the stick, rather than matching it with the actual animation. So if it takes the game 100 ms to start the shooting animation from when you use the shot stick, you will have to release 100 ms before the top of the jump to get a perfect release and a more accurate shot. I also think that if you are still moving the left stick in conjunction with shooting, the shot will be less accurate. I'm not talking about drifters/leaners.