Can this team work well?

PG Shaun Livingston
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Ron Artest
PF Pau Gasol
C Amare Stoudemire

6th man Lamar Odom

role players
Randy Foye
Jordan Farmar
Luke Walton
Jamaal Magloire

Prospect
DeAndre Jordan
Adam Morrison

No reserve big man. Jamaal Magloire and DeAndre Jordan doesn't qualify as one. Adam Morrison is no longer a prospect, he's a bust.

You got too many scorers there. I'd suggest to trade livingston for a guy that can pass the ball well and Amare or Gasol for a big guy who can give you defensive presence (like DH maybe). But of course, Stoudemire can get it done defensively too

You got too many scorers there. I'd suggest to trade livingston for a guy that can pass the ball well and Amare or Gasol for a big guy who can give you defensive presence (like DH maybe). But of course, Stoudemire can get it done defensively too

I tried,i can get DH and Jameer Nelson for Stoudemire and Lamar Odom,should i do this?

No. You can make Odom your point forward. Jameer Nelson is brittle.

You got these players legitimately in association?? Or just made the team at main menu??

I don't see how you would have pulled this off in association (considering the caliber of players traded and size of contracts)

But I agree with what has been said already, you have too many scorers and only artest and gasol for defense.

You should trade livingston for a pass-first PG that doesn't need to score points

You also need a player that doesn't need to score at the C and can play D (Bynum is perfect and is a future superstar, you are crazy for letting him go). But my suggestion here would be a player like Marcus Camby or Greg Oden

These kinda Associations don't last long

I agree milkmanant,

for a successful association that you will want to keep playing, start off as a team that is really struggling, and aim to improve them over the year..

starting off with an unbeatable team will just get boring after a while (anyone that has played one as the lakers would know what i mean)

I agree milkmanant,

for a successful association that you will want to keep playing, start off as a team that is really struggling, and aim to improve them over the year..

starting off with an unbeatable team will just get boring after a while (anyone that has played one as the lakers would know what i mean)

Yea exactly, I have an Asso. with the Wizards, in yr. 2 (Simulated the 1st) I am 27-45 and played all the games. I'm great in this game, but the team OVR is 71 after a disappointing FA lol.

I love it, have cap room, young prospects (McGee, Nick Young, Blatche, a #1 pick PG at 74). Can't wait for the offseason.

I will never ever pick a good team in Asso. If I get the Wizards to success in a few yrs, I will move on to another bad team by resigning.

Why not make a run for Joakim Noah and trade Pau gasol for it. At least you really have a totally defensive player. Move Amare to power forward and Noah as C..its what I did

Same topic,different team.
Detroit Pistons,i wanted to make very good defensive and hard working team.I think i am on good way.My opponents score just around 87 points.My game is mostly halfcourt but sometimes when he get chance Rodney Stuckey who is good and drawing fouls and finishing ends attack in just 5 sec.I wanted to make the team that can score inside and outside and with the bench that can score at produce at any time.
PG:Rodney Stuckey,C.J Watson
SG:Rip Hamilton,Ben Gordon
SF:Tayshaun Prince,Jonas Jerebko,Austin Daye
PF:Troy Murphy,Jason Maxiell
C:Ben Wallace,Zdryunas Ilgauskas,Fabricio Oberto

Maybe i didn't change it much but i think i do not need to do anything more.I like this team.What do you think,should i trade someone.....?

Same topic,different team.
Detroit Pistons,i wanted to make very good defensive and hard working team.I think i am on good way.My opponents score just around 87 points.My game is mostly halfcourt but sometimes when he get chance Rodney Stuckey who is good and drawing fouls and finishing ends attack in just 5 sec.I wanted to make the team that can score inside and outside and with the bench that can score at produce at any time.
PG:Rodney Stuckey,C.J Watson
SG:Rip Hamilton,Ben Gordon
SF:Tayshaun Prince,Jonas Jerebko,Austin Daye
PF:Troy Murphy,Jason Maxiell
C:Ben Wallace,Zdryunas Ilgauskas,Fabricio Oberto

Maybe i didn't change it much but i think i do not need to do anything more.I like this team.What do you think,should i trade someone.....?

Not a championship contender. Barely a playoff team.


I think you went the wrong way.. Ben Wallace is a very good defender but he's not what he was a few years back. If I wanted to have a good defensive team, these would be the players to get on my list:

J. McGee- young guy, great defensively. Defensive minded, but can get it done inside on o because of his strength
Josh Smith- Maybe it would be hard to get him, but everything's possible as he's only 82 something overall. Im sure you know about his defensive presence
S. Marion- solid defender
T. Hibbert- Another version of J. McGee, just a lot more skilled. Offense and Defense comes easy through this guy.
A. Bynum- terrific at both ends
T. Chandler- pretty good one
J. Green- he's got quick hands, good at defending all star and superstar players


I'd get 2, maybe 3 players from this list


You could trade any of your bench except for Maxiell

If I were you, I would also trade Rip or Gordon. Why? Both of them are quite equal and they both can give you around 40 minutes a game, so there's no need to have 2 solid SGs and a big gap at PF. Trading one of them could provide you with a very good player (talking 80, 80+ overall).

You can always sign some free agents or D-Leaguers for minimum Once I signed this PG from D League, he got way better in like a month and he could step up and give me over 10 points a game.

Same topic,different team.
Detroit Pistons,i wanted to make very good defensive and hard working team.I think i am on good way.My opponents score just around 87 points.My game is mostly halfcourt but sometimes when he get chance Rodney Stuckey who is good and drawing fouls and finishing ends attack in just 5 sec.I wanted to make the team that can score inside and outside and with the bench that can score at produce at any time.
PG:Rodney Stuckey,C.J Watson
SG:Rip Hamilton,Ben Gordon
SF:Tayshaun Prince,Jonas Jerebko,Austin Daye
PF:Troy Murphy,Jason Maxiell
C:Ben Wallace,Zdryunas Ilgauskas,Fabricio Oberto

Maybe i didn't change it much but i think i do not need to do anything more.I like this team.What do you think,should i trade someone.....?

Not a championship contender. Barely a playoff team.


I think you went the wrong way.. Ben Wallace is a very good defender but he's not what he was a few years back. If I wanted to have a good defensive team, these would be the players to get on my list:

J. McGee- young guy, great defensively. Defensive minded, but can get it done inside on o because of his strength
Josh Smith- Maybe it would be hard to get him, but everything's possible as he's only 82 something overall. Im sure you know about his defensive presence
S. Marion- solid defender
T. Hibbert- Another version of J. McGee, just a lot more skilled. Offense and Defense comes easy through this guy.
A. Bynum- terrific at both ends
T. Chandler- pretty good one
J. Green- he's got quick hands, good at defending all star and superstar players


I'd get 2, maybe 3 players from this list


You could trade any of your bench except for Maxiell

If I were you, I would also trade Rip or Gordon. Why? Both of them are quite equal and they both can give you around 40 minutes a game, so there's no need to have 2 solid SGs and a big gap at PF. Trading one of them could provide you with a very good player (talking 80, 80+ overall).

You can always sign some free agents or D-Leaguers for minimum Once I signed this PG from D League, he got way better in like a month and he could step up and give me over 10 points a game.

I think it can be championship conteder.All depends on chemistry and how this team play together.Big gaf at PF?Troy Murphy is great.He can shoot threes,rebound play inside... Statistics say that my team is the best defensive team in the league so i don't know why to change so much.Read about Isiah Thomas and bad boys and you'll understand what was i trying to say

Conservation between Isah and Bill Simons

"Look at our team statistically. We’re one of the worst teams in the league. So now you have to find a new formula to judge basketball. There were a lot of times I had my doubts about this approach, because all of you kept telling me it could never be done this way. Statistically, it made me look horrible. But I kept looking at the won-loss record and how we kept improving and I kept saying to myself, Isiah, you’re doin’ the right thing, so be stubborn, and one day people will find a different way to judge a player. They won’t just pick up the newspaper and say, oh, this guy was 9 for 12 with 8 rebounds so he was the best player in the game. Lots of times, on our team, you can’t tell who the best player in the game was ’Cause everybody did something good. That’s what makes us so good. The other team has to worry about stopping eight or nine people instead of two or three. It’s the only way to win. The only way to win. That’s the way the game was invented. But there’s more to that. You also got to create an environment that won’t accept losing. "

Forget for a second that, in two paragraphs of quotes, Isiah just described everything you would ever need to know about winning an NBA championship. I always wanted to know what The Secret was. If you noticed, he never fucking said it. Even more frustrating, nobody ever asked him again. 15 And I had been wondering about it since I was in college. Now we were sitting by a topless pool in Vegas and he seemed to be enjoying my company, so screw it. When was this scenario ever happening again? I set up the question and asked him about The Secret.

Isiah smiled. I could tell he was impressed. He took a dramatic pause. You could say he even milked the moment.

“The secret of basketball,” he told me, “is that it’s not about basketball.”

The secret of basketball is that it’s not about basketball.

That makes no sense, right? How can that possibly make sense?

and he continues

For the next few minutes, Isiah explained it to me. After coming soooooooooo close for two straight postseasons, the chemistry for the ’89 team was off for reasons that had nothing to do with talent. Chuck Daly needed to give Dennis Rodman more playing time, only the Teacher (Dantley’s nickname, in an ironic twist) wasn’t willing to accommodate him. And that was a problem. Rodman could play any style and defend every type of player; he gave the Pistons a uniquely special flexibility, much like Havlicek’s ability to play guard or forward drove Russell’s last few Celtics teams. There was also a precedent in place from when John Salley and Joe Dumars came into their own in previous seasons; Isiah and Vinnie Johnson gave up minutes for Dumars, and Rick Mahorn gave up minutes for Salley. But when Rodman started stealing crunch-time minutes from Dantley, the Teacher started sulking and even complained to a local writer. You couldn’t call it a betrayal, but Dantley had undermined an altruistic dynamic—constructed carefully over the past four seasons, almost like a stack of Jenga blocks—that hinged on players forfeiting numbers for the overall good of the team. The Pistons couldn’t risk having Dantley knock that Jenga stack down. They quickly swapped him for the enigmatic Aguirre, an unconventional low-post scorer who caused similar mismatch problems but wouldn’t start trouble because Isiah (a childhood chum from Chicago) would never allow it. Maybe Dantley was a better player than Aguirre, but Aguirre was a better fit for the 1989 Pistons. If they didn’t make that deal, they wouldn’t have won the championship. It was a people trade, not a basketball trade. 16

And that’s what Isiah learned while following those Lakers and Celtics teams around: it wasn’tabout basketball.

Those teams were loaded with talented players, yes, but that’s not the only reason they won. They won because they liked each other, knew their roles, ignored statistics, and valued winning over everything else. They won because their best players sacrificed to make everyone else happy. They won as long as everyone remained on the same page. By that same token, they lost if any of those three factors weren’t in place. The ’75 Warriors self-combusted a year later because of Barry’s grating personality and two young stars (Wilkes and Gus Williams) needing better numbers to boost their free agent stock. The ’77 Blazers fell apart because of Bill Walton’s feet, but also because Lionel Hollins and Maurice Lucas brooded about being underpaid. The ’79 Sonics fell apart when their talented backcourt (Dennis Johnson and Gus Williams) became embroiled in a petty battle over salaries and crunch-time shots. The ’81 Lakers were bounced because Magic Johnson’s teammates believed he was getting too much attention, most notably fellow point guard Norm Nixon, who resented having to share the basketball with him. The ’83 Celtics got swept by Milwaukee for a peculiar reason: they had too many good players and everyone wanted to play. The ’86 Lakers lost to Houston because Kareem wasn’t an alpha dog anymore, only Magic wasn’t confident enough to supplant him yet. The ’87 Rockets imploded because of drug suspensions and contract bitterness. Year after year, at least one contender fell short for reasons that had little or nothing to do with basketball. And year after year, the championship team prevailed because it got along and everyone committed themselves to their roles. That’s what Detroit needed to do, and that’s why Dantley had to go. 17

“So that’s the secret,” Isiah said. “It’s not about basketball.”

The secret of basketball is that it’s not about basketball.

These are the things you learn in Vegas.

Sim an entire season and see if you can even make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. I'm betting your team won't even make it in the playoffs if you sim it.

My opponents score just around 87 points.My game is mostly halfcourt

You slow the pace of the game down with your halfcourt play, the 87 points doesn't mean you're a good defensive team.
Play the Suns, Lakers, Magic, and Boston and let's see if you can win by 20.

You win with great players, not with good players.

If I played against you, I would just worry about Ben Gordon, coz he's the only one that can score on regular basis.

You have pretty solid defensive team, but could be better

Sim an entire season and see if you can even make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. I'm betting your team won't even make it in the playoffs if you sim it.

My opponents score just around 87 points.My game is mostly halfcourt

You slow the pace of the game down with your halfcourt play, the 87 points doesn't mean you're a good defensive team.
Play the Suns, Lakers, Magic, and Boston and let's see if you can win by 20.

I tried to simulate an entire season and i finished 6th with 43-39 record

Not good. Someone posted in another thread that the Nets got a record of 49-33 (AI). That's the Nets and your team (Detroit) is in the Eastern Conference. So....

Yeah but simming is still not a good way to see how good your team is. I started an association playing as GM of Miami. Lakers, highest rated team in nba (94 ovrl I think), finished 7th in west, and memphis was 1st. Bullshit