NBA Live Bug Fix Petition (Submitted)

[joejam999]

I just realized that there's a forum for LIVE 07 on EA's website. We should also go and start complain there

At least put this patch proposal there.

[dada]

I just realized that there's a forum for LIVE 07 on EA's website. We should also go and start complain there

At least put this patch proposal there.

Theyll probably just ignore everyone as they continue to rake in the money.

[Andrew]

I can't comment on any of the bugs/other issues since I haven't got my hands on the PC version yet but if we want a good chance at a fix, we'll need to do something about it early on. Stickied for convenience.

[Mark.]

Yeah this is a good idea, however I was wondering if the Subbing issue works within dynasty mode when the depth charts will be in effect? Has anybody played a full 12 minute game in Dynasty mode?

[Crystallas]

Yeah,I did. I played a full 12 minute game in dynasty. When the game was over I went to exit, and poof. It sent me back to desktop, crashed. No subs.

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have a look at this:

http://www.nbaliveforums.com/ftopic41680.php

[Andrew]

Going through some old NLSC archives on my HD, I found the old NBA Live 99 Patch Petition:

Dear NBA Live Production Team!

First of all, please let us congratulate you on creating an awesome game in NBA Live 99.

Unfortunately the game has some bugs (some serious, some less serious) that we ask you to address and fix in a patch.


We also urge you to bring back the Ability to save Game Stats (both Team and Player) as this is vital for all NBA Live Non-Modem Leagues. Without this option, it's impossible for all these leagues to use NBA Live 99.

Here is a list of small things we'd like to see added in a patch.

• Bring back ability to save Game Stats (both Team and Players)
• Bring back ability for IsRom Players to have a Cyberface that is made up like the IsCreated Players (e.g. AAAL)
• Allow to shorten the Substitution and Free Throw Process (both CPU and User) by tapping the Shoot or Pass Button
• Change the order when sorting the Columns: When you click on a Column Header the data is automatically sorted in ascending order. While this is okay for names and schools it is not okay for stats and ratings because the lowest number will be at the top which always requires you to click the Column Header twice

Here is a detailed list of the bugs that have been discovered so far.

• Fatigue Bug: The players don't fatigue correctly, the starters usually play throughout the whole game. This can be fixed by lowering all fatigue ratings, but that is not a satisfying solution since it doesn't work okay for all quarter lengths. Also, if you lower the fatigue ratings, the human players will get tired much quicker than the CPU players
• Career Mode Simulation Bug: Sometimes when you simulate a season in Career Mode, the game will crash when a season is complete and it is about to go to the next season
• Rebounding Bug #1: Sometimes a player will grab a rebound without jumping and then jump for the rebound although he already has the ball (Travelling should be called in this case)
• Rebounding Bug #2: When the computer misses a shot and the rebound goes out of bounds and one of the computer players follows the ball out of bounds, a foul is called against the human player even if he is miles away. The CPU seems to think that if one of its players is out of bounds the human player must have pushed him.
• Rebounding Bug #3: The Centers and PF's don't get enough rebounds, they are dominated by the SF's and SG's on the boards
• Steals and Blocks Bug: There are definitely too many Steals and Blocks occuring in the game. This can be fixed to some extent by lowering the steal and block ratings but this is not a satisfying solution
• Illegal Defense Bug: Illegal defense is only called in the paint, you can stand still with your player outside the paint for as long as you like
• Foul Calling Bug #1: Very often, a basket counts after a foul even if the foul clearly happened way before the shot (sometimes the fouled player will even pass the ball)
• Foul Calling Bug #2: Sometimes a CPU Player gets called for a foul but then the player who committed the foul goes to the line and shoots the free throws himself
• Out Of Bounds Bug: When you shoot long jumpers, the ball often bounces from the Rim to the Backboard, but the game thinks the ball has hit the Shot Clock and calls it Out of Bounds
• Inbounding Bug: Sometimes the game will hang when you want to inbound the ball
• Stats Display Bug #1: The Overlay for Team Rebounds is switched, i.e. when in reality the Lakers have 12 Rebounds and the Rockets have 20, the game will report that the Lakers have 20 and the Rockets 12
• Stats Display Bug #2: During free-throws the Stats which are displayed are messed up. Sometimes the current game stats are shown although the game says it's the Season stats
• Stats Display Bug #3: Sometimes the Assist Stats are messed up, e.g. it will say that Pippen has 11 Rebounds and the Bulls have 9 Rebounds total
• Quarter Break Speech Bug: During the Quarter break, sometimes the speech is messed up. For example when the Score is Spurs 29 - Warriors 35, the announcer will say "After one, the Warriors trail the Spurs by six."
• Travelling Bug: When you repeatedly press Fake, Pivot, Fake, Pivot, etc. the player will be able to walk the whole court though Travelling should be called instead
• Practice Court Bug: When you approach the Basket from the South on the Practice Court the Player will never dunk
• Earthquake Bug: Sometimes a bumping sound is played, the court rumbles a little and all your opponent players fall to the floor
• Player Display Bug: In the Edit Player and View Player sections of the game certain features like tattoos or headbands will still be displayed even if you switch to another player
• AutoReplay Bug: Sometimes the clock keeps ticking down during the Automatic Replays
• Saving at Halftime Bug: When you save a game at the Halftime and then later reload it, you sometimes find yourself in the fourth quarter
• Ticker Bug: NBA Live 99 uses a Ticker to display real-time NBA Results and News via the Internet. This Ticker is enabled by default and this causes the game to hang on start-up if you have a Dial-Up Internet Connection only

Attached to this letter you will find a list with the Email Addresses of the Users who support our cause. We look forward to hearing from you soon!

Thank you,

The NBA Live Series Center Team (Tim, Brien and Lutz)
http://www.nba-live.com

Looking over that list, there's some familiar issues as well as problems that are somewhat similar (the fatigue bug in NBA Live 99 and the substitution problem in NBA Live 07). Not all problems were addressed but I recall quite a few were rectified by the first update (the second was just a roster update).

I'd say it's worth doing. Whatever the chances we may have of getting an official update through a petition, they are much better than if we don't try at all. Obviously I can't offer much perspective on these issues until I get my hands on the finished game but I'm happy to co-ordinate proceedings and submit a petition.

[dada]

I'm getting a bit depressed reading posts around the forum. I was so excited about this game and now I am afraid to get it in fear of hating it like the rest. I hope everything is just being blown out of proportion and the game IS actually somewhat good albeit a few minor flaws.

On a good note I am happy to see so many guys being proactive about sharing their views and demanding improvements.....no matter how retarded they may come across.

[Crystallas]

I applaud you ambition Andrew. I have a pretty easy temper, but 07 has pushed my buttons more than I've pushed its.

[JaoSming]

"Earthquake Bug?" never heard of that


but ill talk to pdub and one of us will have a replay hider uploaded by tonight

[ignatu]

Maybe the best way to request a bug fix is to have a lot of people return the game.

Right now the two important issues in my book are:

- CPU doesn't sub, either for CPU or human controlled team even if the sub frequency slider is at 100%.
- Dynasty mode only allows 82 game season. Bring back shortened seasons.

[cyanide]

Thanks for the sticky, Andrew. I didn't know there was a patch release for Live 99, but hopefully they'll do the same for this year's version.

I'm debating whether I should bold saving stats as a priority as well. I've recieved a PM from an online league commish, but if someone else could make a case that saving stats should be a priority, that'd be great.

Edit: Can someone please clarify whether the point guard takes too many shots or dominate a game? I'm not sure if this is an actual bug or the fault of the user not being able to contain the point guard well on defense?

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[ignatu]

I submitted the issue with subs, the issue with the computer not inbounding the ball if the player is locked on a player (no inbound until the player calls for the ball,)as well as the Dynasty mode 82 game season, as support issues on the ea web site.

[Fenix]

Andrew, did EA actually release the patch after the petition was sent?

And I'm all for it. This game shouldn't even be released in its current state.

[Dan's Brain]

Earthquake Bug: Sometimes a bumping sound is played, the court rumbles a little and all your opponent players fall to the floor

i remember that. it was hilarious the first time i saw it.


then it stopped being hilarious.

hopefully australia will get a bug-free version next week.

and hopefully john howard will be sacked.

[-Young Buck-]

Dont forget the Direct Pass, Dunk/layup mix up. I know someone here could fix it, but i want ea to know all of their stupid fuckups.

[cyanide]

Andrew, did EA actually release the patch after the petition was sent?

The first update for NBA Live 99 addressed a few issues other than updating the rosters and there's been a couple of video card/sound card fixes released through the years. Apart from that it's mostly just been roster updates.

[Matt]

as long as the substitution bug is fixed i'll buy.

[Voxel]

yeah, the PG scoring too much points can be fixed by setting up the playbooks like last year playmaker did, we need a patch to address the substitutions bug

[Oz]

Can anyone direct me to the thread with all the missing players please? Cant seem to find it...but I know I've seen it, thought it was in here...

[cyanide]

^

Kevin Pittnogle (Boston)
Ryan Hollins (Charlotte)
Walter Herrmann (Charlotte)
Thabo Sefolosha (Chicago)
Pops mensah-Bonsu (Dallas)
Will Blalock (Detroit)
Amir Johnson (Detroit)
Dajuan Wagner (Golden State)
Vassilis Spanoulis (Houston)
John Lucas (Houston)
Steve Novak (Houston)
Maceo Baston (Indiana)
Guillermo Diaz (Clippers)
J.R. Pinnock (Lakers)
Lynn Greer (Milwaukee)
Craig Smith (Minnesota)
Marcus Vinicius (New Orleans)
Hassan Adams (New Jersey)
Mile Ilic (New Jersey)
Joel Freeland (Portland)
Sergio Rodriguez (Portland)
Denham Brown (Seattle)
Uros Slokar (Toronto)
Jorge Garbajosa (Toronto)
Dee Brown (Utah)
Paul Millsap (Utah)

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[Kenny_Harris]

The point guard domination is due to the point guard, or who ever has the ball, putting their head down and going to the basket every time. Also, if it's not the AI point guard going to the hoop, they run a play and regardless of how open the player who the play is set for is, he is going to shoot.

Very unrealistic as far as computer AI goes. The substitution problem and this are severely killing this game. A patch by EA is definitley needed. I'm not sure who tested this game, but damn, very unrealistic, even sliders cannot solve the problem. (I tried putting Human Defense and On-ball assist very high, it does not stop the problem. I also tried turning the computer freestyle down, that does not work at all either.

EA certainly needs to address this problem, otherwise, this game is not worth playing. If I wanted an arcade game where the same two players shoot and drive every time I would go back and play NBA Jam on my damn Super NES! Come on EA, give us a quality product for our money.

[Oz]

Big thanks Cyanide

[cyanide]

Kenny Harris: There were posts that the PG situation could be fixed with better defense, but it seems like you're saying that no matter how much you cover the point guard, he still dominates? I'm thinking the problem is the human is using the PG to cover the CPU PG rather than letting the CPU PG cover the other CPU PG?

Oz: You're welcome

[Oz]

Cheers mate