Superman/Dark Knight Crossover in 2016

Snyder can't even handle Superman properly, he's going to screw something with Batman.

Superman had no choice he had to snap!
Batman had no choice he had to shoot that guy's head off!

You think so? Have you seen Watchmen? Granted the graphic novel was way better but Snyder really did a great job bringing those "dark" characters to the screen. Very similar in style to Batman but way different characters. I think he will be fine and I guess having Goyer is a plus but his track record isn't the best so far.

I honesty think Snyder brought the most accurate and unique version of Superman. Granted to me, the Donner films will always be my version of Superman but I can accept this new updated version. Snyder and Goyer grabbed moments from some of the best storylines of Superman and really introduced them into this movie. I recommend reading on Superman Birthright, Superman Red Son, All-Star Superman, What ever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, and read Death of Superman. A lot like Batman Begins in where they copied the best of Batmans multiple origins and made it into one great film. This one isn't perfect nor amazing but still a pretty good and unique take on Superman.

I wish Christopher Nolan would have directed this, but Man of Steel was quite well done.

Really? Christopher Nolan didn't want to do the film because he had no idea how to do Superman on screen and he even said he wasn't qualified to do it since he wasn't familiar with the character. In fact his first choice was in fact BEN AFFLECK to direct it but Afflecks busy schedule held him back. So Nolan went to his second choice Snyder who he felt was the most apporiate pick in his opinion. Snyder is a big fan of the character and he wanted to treat him with respect. That's open to debate for us to see if we agreed with his choice. Nolan is not a big comicbook guy at all; he is much more open in his movies rather than just comicbook based movies. He is currently working on a film called Interstellar. Apparently a hybrid of Stargate and Sliders meets Inception...okay? Lol.

Superman killing Zod is not an example of getting the character incorrectly. If you think there's a definitive take on these characters then you might as well ignore 70+ years of comics and TV shows as well. There will always be different takes on characters. IMO killing Zod put Superman in a unique spot that he was never in before on film (though some argue that Superman actually did kill Zod in cold blood in Superman 2 so I don't know). Snyder and Goyer wanted it in order to further explain his no-killing rule. He had to kill the last individual of his race other than himself especially since there was no prison that could hold Zod and no kryptonite as of yet. I just disliked that they didn't explore how it affected Clark more deeply rather than transitioning to the next scene and having a one line joke that was completely stupid. Regardless I think Superman killing Zod was a bold move and they did it good could've done better IMO.

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I don't have the links to it but here are some news regarding this new sequel. A quick Google should help you find it.
Anybody excited for a potential Wonder Woman cameo in the movie? Apparently they are stealing Jaimie Alexander from the Thor movies and cast her as the new Diana Prince. Also, they want to cameo as well the Flash and Green Arrow from the hit CW show Arrow. Thoughts?

You think so? Have you seen Watchmen? Granted the graphic novel was way better but Snyder really did a great job bringing those "dark" characters to the screen. Very similar in style to Batman but way different characters. I think he will be fine and I guess having Goyer is a plus but his track record isn't the best so far.

Watchmen might have been my least fond experience in a movie theater, ever. Just painful to even get through. One of the least entertaining movies I've ever had the displeasure of seeing.

Agreed, that was a terrible movie, like everything Snyder does.

Watchmen was awful, inconsistent, and sloppy. Good to great casting of The Comedian and Rorshach are the things that kept it watchable. The comic may be slow paced and plodding, but at least it was crafted well.

Agreed, that was a terrible movie, like everything Snyder does.

i liked man of steel and lots of people really enjoyed 300 but outside of those 2 its all been junk imo.

being said i wish they had affleck direct the movie

Are they going to stick with that logo? The bat insignia looks like the one from the Dark Knight Returns batsuit.

So I just watched Man of Steel...
Great casting, great visuals

Shitty, predictable script..

So overall, dont let Snyder touch anything with the character of Batman and I'll be happy

David Goyer wrote the script. (And Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.)

He's writing the crossover.

David Goyer wrote the script. (And Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.)

He's writing the crossover.

I feel like Nolan helped raise the scripts of Begins and TDK...not sure snyder has that ability

Yep. Man of Steel didn't leave any cliches untouched & felt like a movie for kids(with it being heavily CGI dependent). I was surprised with the "dick measuring" line, other than that, everything was from the 80's & 90's.

But then again, it's not Bale anymore, it's Affleck...so, I just don't care. Make it as shitty as possible

Yep. Man of Steel didn't leave any cliches untouched & felt like a movie for kids(with it being heavily CGI dependent). I was surprised with the "dick measuring" line, other than that, everything was from the 80's & 90's.

But then again, it's not Bale anymore, it's Affleck...so, I just don't care. Make it as shitty as possible

bale was not that great of a batman, he gets too much credit because the movies themselves were so good.

bale was not that great of a batman, he gets too much credit because the movies themselves were so good.

i think its sad that an actor as good as bale is going to be remembered for his worst work

I'm not much into superhero movies myself. I always thought they're somewhat kiddish. But Bale as a batman worked. And Hathaway as a cat girl worked fiiiine.

i think its sad that an actor as good as bale is going to be remembered for his worst work

I think you are exaggerating to make your point. Bale is all class, no doubt. Timeless. Recent example is American Hustle. But when it comes to his best work, and the amount of effort he put into one project, the Batman series stands out. And that's what he should be remembered by, as the best Batman ever.

And Hathaway as a cat girl worked fiiiine.

That scene where she gets on the Batmobile, DAMN

i think its sad that an actor as good as bale is going to be remembered for his worst work

People will remember Terminator Salvation?

Bale is all class, no doubt. Timeless.

Punching your own mother, classy.

But when it comes to his best work, and the amount of effort he put into one project, the Batman series stands out.

He should have put more effort not to make Batman look like a mumbling idiot with sore throat.

Effort in a project? Bale has a handful of movies that each required more effort from him than his Batman trilogy combined. I suggest you watch some of those.

But Bale as a batman worked.

Dear god, no, it didn't. Bale as Bruce Wayne worked as he's quite good outside of the suit, but everytime he's in it not only does his acting go to shit but the character does as he becomes ACTIVELY STUPIDER AND INCAPABLE in every single one of the films. Utilizing he's Wayne persona is the only time he makes smart moves (the board in the first movie, crashing his car in the second, tapping into his mutant healing factor in the third), when he's in the suit the villains are constantly dicking him around and beating the shit out of him. His entire survival in two films is based on needing someone else to save the shit he fucked up by going crazy and in the other it's almost the same thing as he needs Fox to use the Sonar for him to take out a shitty SWAT team. (And even then the Joker basically gets the best of him in that fight until he gets distracted by the ferries not blowing up.)

And Hathaway as a cat girl worked fiiiine.

It was utterly worthless. The romance makes no sense at all and has no basis in anything shown, the character should have never let Robin take her in with a guilt trip. Why does she come back and help? Because she knowingly led Batman into a trap and was off scot free, just as she wanted?

Snyder and Affleck need to be spending all their time with Batman Returns, the animated films and the Arkham games so the film has actual characters instead of plot tourists. If they have to even sneak some peaks at Nolan's "trilogy" for BIG PLOT INSPIRATION they should really only watch the first half of all three (up to Arkham in Begins, Dent's scarring and the Joker's escape in TDK, Bane breaking Batman's back in TDKR) since they turn into incoherent mind-melting garbage with even less of any sense of time (somehow!) after that.

Or they should just film Red Son rather than whatever silly "oh no that guy's not operating within the law, that guy's a boy scout, let's fight, wait, no we need to team up to defeat [some badguy] and we're not so different after all" that it will be. I'll accept the Kara/Supergirl story from Batman/Superman though, if only because not only is Darkseid the villain but we get Darkseid vs. Batman. (And Wonder Woman gets herself involved, so that's right up WB's alley right?)

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But when it comes to his best work, and the amount of effort he put into one project, the Batman series stands out.He should have put more effort not to make Batman look like a mumbling idiot with sore throat.

Effort in a project? Bale has a handful of movies that each required more effort from him than his Batman trilogy combined. I suggest you watch some of those.

The Machinist would definitely be the best example.

Dear god, no, it didn't. Bale as Bruce Wayne worked as he's quite good outside of the suit, but everytime he's in it not only does his acting go to shit but the character does as he becomes ACTIVELY STUPIDER AND INCAPABLE in every single one of the films. Utilizing he's Wayne persona is the only time he makes smart moves (the board in the first movie, crashing his car in the second, tapping into his mutant healing factor in the third), when he's in the suit the villains are constantly dicking him around and beating the shit out of him. His entire survival in two films is based on needing someone else to save the shit he fucked up by going crazy and in the other it's almost the same thing as he needs Fox to use the Sonar for him to take out a shitty SWAT team. (And even then the Joker basically gets the best of him in that fight until he gets distracted by the ferries not blowing up.)

What's all that got to do with Bale? You are pointing out the stuff you didn't like with the script. Bale just portrayed out how his role was written, and perfectly if I might add.

It was utterly worthless. The romance makes no sense at all and has no basis in anything shown, the character should have never let Robin take her in with a guilt trip. Why does she come back and help? Because she knowingly led Batman into a trap and was off scot free, just as she wanted?

Again, you are discussing the script. The "funny points" of the story line. Anne Hathaway pulled off Catwoman fine & better than any other woman who previously portrayed the character.

I am a fan of the original comics as well. And was very disappointed by the TDKR plot. But it's one thing to criticism the script & other to judge the actors/actresses who played their roles. You just can't get a better Batman than Bale in the modern era, maybe not the same case for Catwoman, but she was great as well.

He should have put more effort not to make Batman look like a mumbling idiot with sore throat.

Effort in a project? Bale has a handful of movies that each required more effort from him than his Batman trilogy combined. I suggest you watch some of those.

The Machinist would definitely be the best example.

That's the Batvoice! And it's a very physically challenging thing to set that voice as your permanent shit. It was something that even came on the Salvation character.

Ya, Machinist was great. But I don't think he put more effort in that than the trilogy combined or The Dark Knight just for the matter.

What else are you referring to?

Writing is an important component of whether or not a character works. Bale, Oldman, etc. have taken schlock before and made it work.

Ledger was able to get past the garbage material to establish a character that almost worked, Eckhart and Bale (outside the suit) did fine even if rehashing, you can argue that Oldman played the mentally slow version of Jim Gordon that was written as intended, what did Bale (in the suit) or Hathaway bring to the table? Them not selling any part of the relationship, everything about Kyle as a character and Batman's dicking around in the suit, isn't just plot. Actors do have incredible input into characterization as Ledger and Depp have both shown to the tune of billions.

You could have put Keeanu Reeves and Rachel Weisz in those suits and nothing of value would have been lost. You could have moved Hardy and Cotillard into those roles and lost nothing. What did Bale do better in the suit than the three dopes before him? (Especially the first two. Or Kevin Conroy ever? Hell, Roger Craig Smith might be the new gold standard for a young Batman.) What did Hathaway do better than Pfeiffer?

Sure, you can make the argument that they were such garbage characters nobody could have added anything, but we can troll for plenty of examples within the franchise and out, elsewhere with the same actors and so on to show otherwise. The most damning evidence is that Bale had THREE MOVIES and he got worse with each one as he spent more and more time in the suit.

Keeanu Reeves would cross the "cheesy guy" limit as the Batman. And there isn't that evil vibe in Weisz. She only has the beauty side.

The Joker itself is a great creation. And when Heath Ledger turned it up, it was just untouchable. Nobody could be so holy & mighty. When you compare Bale & Batman to that, yes they are not on the same level. But when you focus on Bale as Batman and all those who played Batman before, you just can see the perfect combo of Bruce Wayne & Batman that Bale brings to the table. Nobody played both sides equally good. As funny as it sounds, playing Bruce Wayne is easy. There are tons of actors who could have played Bruce Wayne, but how many can you imagine as both Bruce Wayne & Batman-- the Bale Batman? The one that fucks with Alfred so emotionally & beats the shit out of Joker at the interrogation room? Can you imagine Ben Affleck doing that?

What did Bale do better? That is hard to say in words, really. I just felt that the previous dudes who played Batman belonged in the comics & Bale was made for the movie, not the comics.

As for Catwoman, the character is supposed to have the mixture of universal beauty & street smartness. I didn't find that Pfeiifer or Halle Berry.

Bale didn't get worse, he improved on Dark Knight and kept that same level on Rises.

Again, you are discussing the script. The "funny points" of the story line. Anne Hathaway pulled off Catwoman fine & better than any other woman who previously portrayed the character.

I'll take Michelle Pfeifer as Catwoman over Hathaway, who I don't think even did an adequate job, never mind the best, 1,000 times out of 1,000.