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Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Look my voice to LP on Thu May 14, 2009 3:30 pm

hey guys,i am have some question
how long did u play yr association?with all those patches and shoe mods,roster mods and ect.,for me it is inpossible task to play,at list one season in my association
every time im wanna change roster,shoe patch ect,ect.
so - what is at yr opinion,what those who cannt play any longer in their association,must to do to play at list 5 seasons
i mean...please discribe what do u feel when u play in yr association?
is it interesting for u?or with some time u just getting bored?
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby JohnnyLi on Wed May 27, 2009 12:00 pm

I usually play 29 game seasons, either simming or not having pre-season games. I play all the games myself until the trade deadline and then I sim the rest of the season. I enjoy being a GM the most, so I enjoy all of the things you can do in the off-season.

You can always resign as a GM, and then a menu will come up saying which team you would like the take control of.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Wormy10 on Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:45 pm

Def. try what JohnnyLi said, shortening the season length down if your playing 82 games.. I'm sure you do this but play with a team you really enjoy playing with, or try a lower level team so your not always dominating with a superstar.. If your winning all your games (and that does get old quick) up the difficulty level up or adjust the sliders to where you're not always winning..
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Spotlight on Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:32 am

Yeah I also had this problem. I started so many associations, but I'm not able to finish at least one... My record was 20 games with Denver. Really don't know what to do, how to finally start a good association...
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Patr1ck on Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:31 am

I do get bored, but I change my team immensely, especially the players who end up with low morale and the ones who don't fit how I play.

For instance, I play with the Clippers, and in my third season, I got tired of Kaman not getting the rebounds I know he is capable of. I put him on the trading block while he had a bloated rating of 94 overall. Dwight Howard was offered. Dwight has gotten a double-double for points and rebounds every game I can remember. I made about 20 trades my second season, and due to the team chemistry effect, I would rarely make an open shot or layup, so I had to turn that off because it was too frustrating.

I also change the sliders each year as I read more theories from users. There are always new things to try which make the gameplay a bit more fresh to me. Basically, the less cheese you can get from the cpu while still getting them to be competitive is the key. i often change the cpu's coaching sliders during the game in an attempt to get their top players to play the way their ratings show, which sometimes makes the game easier for me, and sometimes makes it incredibly difficult.

I guess the key is to challenge your self.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Blacksmurf313 on Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:14 pm

I would say a good way to start an Association is to first get a good set of rosters, settings, and sliders. I use Juza, I think they are great. Before you start your association, play a few game with the team you are going to use in franchise mode. That way you can get a feel for how the sliders and settings work so if you need to make adjustments make them before you start the association.

Here is my rules:

1. Once you start the Association....You cannot change sliders or settings. Okay: the reason why I said this is because the sliders and setting are ment to be competitive. You should not win every game and if you have a horrible team and if you play bad you might lose every game until you learn how to play a NBA style of Basketball. If you are constantly changing the sliders then you are cheating your self from a true simmed experience and I will tell you why!
How can you determine if you are getting better at the game? How can you determine if your team as a whole or if individual players are getting better or worse, If you are constantly changing the sliders during an associating. You will never know, so stop leave the sliders as is. [b]Once you turn that loser team into contenders then NBA Champions you will feel the gratification of building your franchise into a Winner.[/b] However, if all you do is change the sliders to help you win. Then you are a piece of formented horse poooo pooow and all you will have is frustration and you will eventually quit your franchise. How do I know? Because that is the way I use to do it. Until I did research to find out what do teams average in scoring, rebounding, steals, assist and ect....Then I found a roster patch, settings and sliders that best accurately reflected those numbers. Then I started my association.
There are a few rosters out that I think are good, but I love Juzas. So go and downloadem I use the pc version. There might be some out there for the Xbox 360 but I dont know cause I dont playit on the 360.

If you are changing sliders on a every game basis so that you can win, you are a born loser. Just drink Bleach and die!
A You don't have heart, character nor the witts to overcome obsticles. Just Drink Bleach and die!
B. You are just a casual Basketball fan maybe you should play NBA Jams or just drink bleach and die!
C. You dont like to face any challenges so just drink bleach and die!

I dont want to win with a team like the Timberwolves, until I build a good team through player development, the draft or free agency. If I could win with a bottom teer team that cannot win in the NBA what fun will that be. If they cant win in the NBA should they be able to win in NBA2k That is cheese, I want it to be as real as possible. Im not saying that you shouldn't win at all, im just saying you shouldnt be dominating with those bums.

If you have a team like the Memphi Grizzlies or the Washington Wizards and left the roster as it was, meaning no trades for superstars or free agents and you happend to win the Championship that first year. I would say you really know how to play NBA2k9 or you cheesed the hellout of those sliders. I can assure you that these roster makers and slider gurooos aren't making sliders so that you can win a championship with a team below .500.

If you have a team like the Pistons or Portland and if you happen to do the exact same....I would say very good job. Why the Detroit Pistons and the Portland Trailblazers are a capable teams. The Pistons or the Trailblazers could have made it to the conference finals if they had better coaching and if all their players would have played to their abilities.

If you have a team Like the Cetics, the Lakers, The Cavs or Denver and if you do win the championship or atleast get to the finals using Juza's rosters. I would say, you need to up your game and I would tell you to go to youtube and check some NBA2k tuturials: heres the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iLMN8QY ... playnext=1
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So pick how many games you are going to play and how many minutes.
2. Do not alter the attributes of the draft class. To me that cheese, unless a draft class is being imported.
3. Leave Auto save on.................Accept when youre developing players. Im not going to lie. If I dont reach the goal, then I will repeat the developement until I reach the goal.
4. Turn the trade Overrides off.
5. Leave the trade deadline on.

finally don't alter the sliders if you feel that you can trust the roster maker enough to use his rosters then use his sliders. Play with the rosters and the sliders. Unless an obvious mistake on the rosters correct it then proceed.

I am no expert, but these are some of the rules I use thats helping me to have a true simulation of the NBA.
If you apply some of these principles you will have fun association exerience.
This is real talk, I dont know Juza or the Zihinmaster nor do I work for 2ksports. I am Blacksmurf a Flee amongst fellow flees............................
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Spotlight on Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:20 am

Very nice suggestions here, Blacksmurf313, thanks for them! (Y) Maybe the reason why I get bored with my associations so early is the fact that I choose the best teams in NBA. Cavs, Celtics, Lakers, Nuggets etc. Probably I need to pick teams like Kings, Grizzlies, Clippers and then start to rebuild them. Well at least I can try. :)
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby chinoy316 on Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:38 am

Blacksmurf313 wrote:I would say a good way to start an Association is to first get a good set of rosters, settings, and sliders.
1. Once you start the Association....You cannot change sliders or settings. ...
How can you determine if you are getting better at the game? How can you determine if your team as a whole or if individual players are getting better or worse, If you are constantly changing the sliders during an associating. You will never know, so stop leave the sliders as is. [b]Once you turn that loser team into contenders then NBA Champions you will feel the gratification of building your franchise into a Winner.[/b] However, if all you do is change the sliders to help you win. Then you are a piece of formented horse poooo pooow and all you will have is frustration and you will eventually quit your franchise.


I beg to differ here. I keep adjusting my sliders because I'm using juza's all star sliders. but I found it too easy. So I upgraded to superstar. But after almost every game I change my sliders. Why? I want a fun game I can win without cheesing and one where I can lose without the opponent cheating. It's a challenge if all the CPU does is drive to the basket, but it's not a fun one.

On a side note, I am fucking pissed off with my goddamn rookies (now at their third year). Pieces of shit won't re-sign with me. A tip, if you're going to draft someone choose someone with AT LEAST a very loyal in their loyalty.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Blacksmurf313 on Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:01 am

chinoy316 wrote:
Blacksmurf313 wrote:I would say a good way to start an Association is to first get a good set of rosters, settings, and sliders.
1. Once you start the Association....You cannot change sliders or settings. ...
How can you determine if you are getting better at the game? How can you determine if your team as a whole or if individual players are getting better or worse, If you are constantly changing the sliders during an associating. You will never know, so stop leave the sliders as is. [b]Once you turn that loser team into contenders then NBA Champions you will feel the gratification of building your franchise into a Winner.[/b] However, if all you do is change the sliders to help you win. Then you are a piece of formented horse poooo pooow and all you will have is frustration and you will eventually quit your franchise.


I beg to differ here. I keep adjusting my sliders because I'm using juza's all star sliders. but I found it too easy. So I upgraded to superstar. But after almost every game I change my sliders. Why? I want a fun game I can win without cheesing and one where I can lose without the opponent cheating. It's a challenge if all the CPU does is drive to the basket, but it's not a fun one.

On a side note, I am fucking pissed off with my goddamn rookies (now at their third year). Pieces of shit won't re-sign with me. A tip, if you're going to draft someone choose someone with AT LEAST a very loyal in their loyalty.


Now thats good stuff.. I havent made it through my first year yet. So I will definitely pay attention to loyalty. I hope others continue to share valuable info like that.....Big up to Chinoy316 :bowdown

I hope that everyone see that we don't have to agree on everything, but we can respectfully disagree and still have a wonderful time learning from each other. If I would have jumped to a conclusion because of Chinoy respectfully disagreed with me, I would not have thought about the aspect of out growing sliders or a skill level. Hey Chinoy316, since you have been through this already. Will you please update on what to do, once you out grow sliders or a skill level, to make the games competive without cheesing. :cool:
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Patr1ck on Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:49 am

I can tell you what I recently just did and it made the game a lot more fun, especially in the playoffs. Someone suggested to put all sliders to 45. So I put every slider at 45 except stamina due to my quarter length preference and short range shooting(40) and dunks in traffic(4) since that can be abused. I also put all the tendencies at 45 except foul tendency. The cpu played a more balanced game and I realized that the farther apart you make sliders, the more predictive the cpu is. They used a wider variety of half court and full court strategies, and I noticed some more animations that I see rarely.

As for rookies, the only problem I had was rookies developing too fast to get the playing time that would keep them happy.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Hedonist on Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:43 am

When you say all sliders (to 45) does that include the coach profile/team tendencies?
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Patr1ck on Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:16 am

No, but I did make slight increases in the shooting tendencies and tempo to balance out the lower global tendencies.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby tee-pane on Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:06 pm

Choose an interesting team and make trades that don't involve superstars. Play the important games, set practices, development... May be make custom players for the draft, or edit prospects, every time I get to the end of one season, i tend to end the association because the cpu prospects pisses me off.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby kibaxx7 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:05 am

Blacksmurf313 wrote:I would say, you need to up your game and I would tell you to go to youtube and check some NBA2k tuturials:[/b][/u] heres the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iLMN8QY ... playnext=1
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Thanks for the link man (Y) Gonna check some vids.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Look my voice to LP on Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:48 am

wow,thanks for all of ya guys for yr answers and heartness :)
goddemit,hell yeah we can play association
dont believe me? ok...do u remember that feeling,when u play NBA 2k9 first time? :lol: ...so just play tha game,with that feeling)
and i have read an interesting things from u,about sliders at 45..hm
one more secret - do not sim any game :wink: and take gameplay on yr mind like it is reall match of NBA
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Look my voice to LP on Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:13 am

after reading all of this thread - im feeling now,like im full of strenth to play that association with super mega super interest :lol:
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Patr1ck on Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:31 pm

Woah, double super?!?
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby chinoy316 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:03 pm

Blacksmurf313 wrote:I hope that everyone see that we don't have to agree on everything, but we can respectfully disagree and still have a wonderful time learning from each other. If I would have jumped to a conclusion because of Chinoy respectfully disagreed with me, I would not have thought about the aspect of out growing sliders or a skill level. Hey Chinoy316, since you have been through this already. Will you please update on what to do, once you out grow sliders or a skill level, to make the games competive without cheesing. :cool:


IMPORTANT NOTE: I USE JUZA'S SLIDERS 3.08 version. I recommend just using his superstar sliders. Though I haven't tried it yet.

Hmmm. In the later difficulty levels, aka superstar and HOF, it is nearly impossible to not get the CPU to cheese if the user does not have slight advantages in slider. But on any level, the CPU has some disadvantages too, so I make up for it by giving them advantages in certain sliders. Here are the following. These are just my preferences. I only put about 1 to 2 points advantage on most. CPU needs a really high blocking attribute because they suck at blocking. Trust me.

USER has advantage
Shot Close, Shot Mid, Shot 3pt, Layup Success, Dunk Success, Defensive Awareness, speed, strength, quickness, Offensive Rebounding, Defensive Rebounding

CPU has advantage
Steal success, Block, Steal, Vertical, Offensive Awareness, On ball defense, offensive awareness

Some Other Things I do in my Association
*NEVER ACCEPT UNFAIR TRADES. (*cough Kwame for Pau cough*)
*Manually revoke stupid trades. (Stephen Jackson for Matt Carroll: REVOKED!) To lessen this I actually turn CPU trades to OFF during December and 1st half of January.
*Play every playoff game.
*Develop prospects.
*Make CUSTOM prospects. This is for people who are familiar with patching. Or an easier way, assign prospects who are improving with the unused iffs. So they have unique looks.
*Manually sim some teams to get a good record. The nba 2k sim mostly puts even the best teams at around 40 to 50 wins. By manually simming some, you get realistic results. I mostly control only the strongest teams. Being the strongest team every season isn't really fun. This is for patient people only.


BTW, 8 minutes in my opinion is the shortest time you have to play per quarter to get realistic scores.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby shadowgrin on Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:48 pm

I only turn on CPU trades at the last week of each month and a week before the trade deadline (so that's 4 times in a season) so the amount of stupid trades can be lessened while still giving the chance to have some trade activity like in real NBA. So far there are still unfair trades but not extemely stupid like the CPU trading a star for a bunch of scrubs.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Look my voice to LP on Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:40 pm

Pdub wrote:Woah, double super?!?

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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Blacksmurf313 on Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:29 am

chinoy316 wrote:

Some Other Things I do in my Association
*NEVER ACCEPT UNFAIR TRADES. (*cough Kwame for Pau cough*)
*Manually revoke stupid trades. (Stephen Jackson for Matt Carroll: REVOKED!) To lessen this I actually turn CPU trades to OFF during December and 1st half of January.
*Play every playoff game.
*Develop prospects.
*Make CUSTOM prospects. This is for people who are familiar with patching. Or an easier way, assign prospects who are improving with the unused iffs. So they have unique looks.
*Manually sim some teams to get a good record. The nba 2k sim mostly puts even the best teams at around 40 to 50 wins. By manually simming some, you get realistic results. I mostly control only the strongest teams. Being the strongest team every season isn't really fun. This is for patient people only.

BTW, 8 minutes in my opinion is the shortest time you have to play per quarter to get realistic scores.


Now thats awesome! Those are some great ways to stop unfair trades. Im getting excited and pumped up about my new association. I couldn't imaging controlling alot of teams at once.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Blacksmurf313 on Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:35 am

shadowgrin wrote:I only turn on CPU trades at the last week of each month and a week before the trade deadline (so that's 4 times in a season) so the amount of stupid trades can be lessened while still giving the chance to have some trade activity like in real NBA. So far there are still unfair trades but not extemely stupid like the CPU trading a star for a bunch of scrubs.


When you implement your trade schedule, will the cpu do enough trades and do they initiate trades with your team?
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby shadowgrin on Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:14 pm

Yep, the CPU does initiate trades with my team. Most of the trades do occur as the deadline nears, along with some minor stupid trades that the CPU makes.
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby Look my voice to LP on Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:43 pm

the most stupid trade in my association was,when CPU have traded Bibby for Kirilenko
Utah just need that guy,and Atlanta need Bibby too,after that trade Utah will have 4 PG and 1 Sf.Atlanta will have 2 Pg and 5 Sf.rofl
or Ilgauskas traded for Arthur,(wtf?)
and in middle of the season
Ilgauskas from Grizlies,was traded again to Cavaliers for West
O_o
im getting bored,when teams that have enough players in one possition
trading players from position that need some more backup,to player that plays in position,in what they allready have 3 guys (with high rating!) W T F :|
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Re: Association-some secrets to play long and with interest

Postby chinoy316 on Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:56 pm

The CPU tends to do that a lot. That's why I revoke trades.
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