What's going on?

[Lean]

Reading your posts, I wonder why you didn't put up an internet forum similar to this and have yourself as its head.

[Matthew]

Or we could just fix the problems here?

[The Other Kevin]

But you're bitching about everything short of the layout. Instead of trying to make everything better, you point out what everyone is doing minutley wrong. This is Andrew's site. If you don't like it, tough shit, go somewhere else.

If you want to actually work with people, instead of crying over the internet like a little fag (not that there's anything wrong with that....), then do it. Fron what I've seen, you usually get along fine with Andrew. Unless you have had some sectrets, or I haven't been paying attention, you seem a little power hungry. I agree with you that there isn't enough being done here, but you are coming off as an ass. I appreciate all you've done for us here, but right now, I just can't side with you, even though I agree with half of it.

[Donatello]

For someone who says it's just an internet forum, you're sure upset about this., Matthew. Oh, I forgot one reason why I stopped posting so much here.... you.

[J@3]

You guys are being about as constructive as COOLmac at a paedophile awareness conference. This thread is about the NLSC and the state of... not about Matthew and what you think of him

[Jackal]

Everyone's coming out of the woodworks to take a pot shot at Matthew.

For someone who says it's just an internet forum, you're sure upset about this., Matthew. Oh, I forgot one reason why I stopped posting so much here.... you.

Don, are you under the impression we give a shit why you left?

Or...that you left?

[Matthew]

Are you kidding? Donatello made my day by saying that

[Jackal]

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the power you hold over him too Matthew. I wish I had the ability to make posters stop posting solely because of me.

Oh wait...

Anyways, best of luck with the NLSC state discussion. I wonder where Andrew is.

[shadowgrin]

Everyone's coming out of the woodworks to take a pot shot at Matthew.

*joins the lynch mob*

*farts in Matthew's face*

[Nelson] HAHA [/Nelson]

*runs away*

(I think Andrew and Matthew go way back as friends or e-friends at least. Matthew may come off as an ass to some of us but we can't really judge him based on the way he posts because we don't know him that well, but Andrew does since they go way back and that perceived 'assholeness' of Matthew may come as normal and non-offensive to Andrew. If there is any perceived animosity between Andrew and Matthew I'm sure they can handle it between the two of them because they know each other better than the rest of us.

As said before, let us not focus on Matthew but on what we can and must do for the site. Besides, Matthew doesn't deserve that attention because he's not good-looking like Jackal. )

[cyanide]

You guys are being about as constructive as COOLmac at a paedophile awareness conference. This thread is about the NLSC and the state of... not about Matthew and what you think of him

To be fair, rather than getting constructive criticism from Matthew, we're getting a lot of attacks and opinionated arrogance, so I can understand why some members would feel slighted.

[The Other Kevin]

Yeah, that's the only reason I blew up. I got pissed that he was blaming everyone.
ae being named Co-Admin is a good step. We need more mods for the NLSC section though. It looks lonely with just Dahl on one of the boards.

[Matthew]

You guys are being about as constructive as COOLmac at a paedophile awareness conference. This thread is about the NLSC and the state of... not about Matthew and what you think of him

To be fair, rather than getting constructive criticism from Matthew, we're getting a lot of attacks and opinionated arrogance, so I can understand why some members would feel slighted.

Post examples.

For everyone who is saying "Jae being admin is a good move" but were criticising me before for pushing for this move are displaying their contradictory nature. Congratulations, it's something to be proud of.

[cyanide]

Post examples.

I think its somewhat concerning that the head of this site ignores this problem...

The whole moderating team (exception of Jae and BigHort) are even following in this great example that you set.

We have a forum where even "leaders", better named moderators, are barely even active in posting let alone providing an example to rest of the posters.

You can pretend there is no problem or there is nothing you can do about it but that is horrible, horrible leadership.

But you are sacrificing the community for whatever reason and its suffocating here.

But there definate problems with the moderating and administration here, and these really need to be addressed and not ignored.

Do you lack the ability to hold a discussion without multiple quotes?

I still can't believe you actually want me to encourage bad work (or no work) being done here.

Actually I think goes to the heart of the problem with the current moderating team: you guys are doing it for the title and the kudos of being a mod, and not to actually improve this place. "o0o look at me, congratulate me even though its not deserved".

If you think there actually is a hierarchal system here you are sadly mistaken. It's Andrew, and then everyone else. It's fucked.

But lets be honest, there hasn't been a whole lot to be positive about NLSC since the new group of moderators has been ushered in.

I don't expect the world of Andrew either.

You pretty much disrespect the entire moderating team and Andrew with opinions that doesn't reflect the opinions of the community as a whole. Andrew can do whatever he wants to do as an admin, webmaster and owner of this place. I think it's great and deserving that Jae's a co-admin, but I wouldn't doubt that you pressured Andrew into doing so.

The moderating team still gets the job done in their respective areas. Nobody else but you is complaining about the moderating team. You don't see the forums going out of control, or anybody else bitching about how the forums are going downhill. You don't even credit the moderating team for dedicating their time to the forums. Posting has been slow at times, and it's not "bullshit" to say that factors such as age, the off-season and Live's worst output ever can contribute to members leaving or posting less. It can be easy to generate activity with more posts and threads being made, and we could do that if we chose to, but nobody's forced to do that. We have a lot of awesome members contributing. Jackal, illini, Sauru, Shannon, Joe, and a lot of others do a good job, but yet you disrespect the community and the moderating team with what you would do if you had it your way.

To you, improving the place would be to have Jae as admin, Benji as moderator, and... you see, I don't remember a whole lot else in between the negative criticism. As I said, I don't oppose the idea of having Jae as admin or Benji as moderator, but I'm responding to how harshly unfair you're being to the community.

This was supposed to be a discussion about improving the place, but rather, you've posted a tirade of abuse.

And there's nothing wrong with multiple quotes.

[BigKaboom2]

Nobody else but you is complaining about the moderating team. You don't see the forums going out of control, or anybody else bitching about how the forums are going downhill.

http://www.nbaliveforums.com/ftopic44389.php

That thread disagrees, and while it is old, in my view nothing has changed since that discussion took place - which is what Matthew is addressing in this thread.

[Matthew]

You said "we're", as in you, but yet 90% of the quotes you used are directed towards Andrew.

And the lack of participation in the forums is a huge example of how people agree with me about what I'm saying.

Steps have been taken to try and stop the bleeding. Jae is admin, new rules etc.

But hey, if it was upto you, we could have a begging forum where people could beg each other for "free" gifts.

"get me an xbox, i can't afford one"

[cyanide]

You said "we're", as in you, but yet 90% of the quotes you used are directed towards Andrew.

Er, 90% of the quotes I used referred to your disdain on the moderating team.

And the lack of participation in the forums is a huge example of how people agree with me about what I'm saying.

I agree with the lack of participation, but it's not what you're saying.

But hey, if it was upto you, we could have a begging forum where people could beg each other for "free" gifts.

"get me an xbox, i can't afford one"

Who wouldn't want a free Xbox? Anyway, it was a slip-up, and I tried to remove it from my sig, but ironically, ever since you made that comment, I couldn't even edit my sig of all things in my profile due to a BBcode error. Go figure.

[Matthew]

I think its somewhat concerning that the head of this site ignores this problem...

The whole moderating team (exception of Jae and BigHort) are even following in this great example that you set.

We have a forum where even "leaders", better named moderators, are barely even active in posting let alone providing an example to rest of the posters.

You can pretend there is no problem or there is nothing you can do about it but that is horrible, horrible leadership.

But you are sacrificing the community for whatever reason and its suffocating here.

But there definate problems with the moderating and administration here, and these really need to be addressed and not ignored.

Do you lack the ability to hold a discussion without multiple quotes?

I still can't believe you actually want me to encourage bad work (or no work) being done here.

Actually I think goes to the heart of the problem with the current moderating team: you guys are doing it for the title and the kudos of being a mod, and not to actually improve this place. "o0o look at me, congratulate me even though its not deserved".

If you think there actually is a hierarchal system here you are sadly mistaken. It's Andrew, and then everyone else. It's fucked.

But lets be honest, there hasn't been a whole lot to be positive about NLSC since the new group of moderators has been ushered in.

I don't expect the world of Andrew either.

All the bold quotes were directed to Andrew.

And the lack of participation is exactly why I've posted here. Don't you dare try to assume my intentions and then say that I go around with "opinionated arrogance".


"I didn't mean to put that in my sig, it's not my fault!!"

[cyanide]

I think its somewhat concerning that the head of this site ignores this problem...

The whole moderating team (exception of Jae and BigHort) are even following in this great example that you set.

We have a forum where even "leaders", better named moderators, are barely even active in posting let alone providing an example to rest of the posters.

You can pretend there is no problem or there is nothing you can do about it but that is horrible, horrible leadership.

But you are sacrificing the community for whatever reason and its suffocating here.

But there definate problems with the moderating and administration here, and these really need to be addressed and not ignored.

Do you lack the ability to hold a discussion without multiple quotes?

I still can't believe you actually want me to encourage bad work (or no work) being done here.

Actually I think goes to the heart of the problem with the current moderating team: you guys are doing it for the title and the kudos of being a mod, and not to actually improve this place. "o0o look at me, congratulate me even though its not deserved".

If you think there actually is a hierarchal system here you are sadly mistaken. It's Andrew, and then everyone else. It's fucked.

But lets be honest, there hasn't been a whole lot to be positive about NLSC since the new group of moderators has been ushered in.

I don't expect the world of Andrew either.

And the bolded quotes refers to your disdain on the moderating team.

Actually, the main reason you've posted here is 1. to criticize and attack Andrew 2. to criticize and attack the moderating team, 3. to have Jae as admin, and 4. to have benji as a moderator. I don't oppose 3 or 4, but if you call the above four as remedies to fix the lack of participation, you're also missing the fact that somehow you're the ultimate voice of reason despite being a "retired" participant and somehow your views must be ultimately implemented.

[Matthew]

I continue to find it funny how you can say I have "opinionated arrogance" but you then try to assume my priorities for posting here.

And please learn how to use comma's.

[Donatello]

I continue to find it funny how you can say I have "opinionated arrogance" but you then try to assume my priorities for posting here.

And please learn how to use comma's.

And please learn that apostrophes are not used to pluralize things.

[Matthew]

I don't remember talking to you, so you must have an awfully high opinion of yourself to interject your spam into a conversation in which you were not involved.

[cyanide]

I continue to find it funny how you can say I have "opinionated arrogance" but you then try to assume my priorities for posting here.

And please learn how to use comma's.

Not sure why I need to learn commas when you clearly have problems with punctuation.

Anyway, not sure what your statement meant, but it sounds like you're trying to dodge what I said. Objectively, I'm looking at your comments, and I listed out what appears to be your priorities. You pretty much came across as "the ultimate voice of reason despite being a retired participant and somehow your views must be ultimately implemented." That smells like opinionated arrogance.

[Matthew]

You idiots.

Many of us have agonized about whether or not to place a comma after the next-to-last item in a series, before the "and." We've heard it's a rule to put it in; we've also heard the rule dropped away, and the comma's not necessary.

http://www.grammargoddess.com/Commas.htm

And I retired as a moderator, not a retired participant.

@ you saying you looked at my comments objectively.

[cyanide]

"the comma's not necessary" translates to "the comma is not necessary."

What you said was, "And please learn how to use comma is."

Either way, you were away from the forums most days and suddenly you know everything that's wrong with the forums, what's wrong with the moderators, and that you have the ultimate say in what's right.

[Matthew]

It was an example of how comma's can have an apostrophe, the same way it can be an indication of someone owning something.

"That's Matthew's xbox 360 over there"

Is that also incorrect because "That's Matthew is xbox 360 over there" doesn't make sense?

Also remember different countries have different rules for spelling.

But you seem to care more about my punctuation then ways to improve NLSC. I'm not surprised.