Chicago Bulls Thread

[NovU]

Rose with quite a nice game. I like his zero TO for the night.

your opinion is quite uninformed

Rose has been struggling and so has the Bulls 2nd and 3rd best players. Deng before playing the defense-less Jazz, Deng has been mediocre. he is still 1-15 from 3pt range. Noah has been more rusty then Rose and is still playing his way back into shape

you may think the roster is more or less the same from last year but it really isn't.

there is no firepower off the bench like last year. Robinson and Bellinelli are flawed players but the team is missing their ability to create shots. Gibson has been good. Dunleavy has been ok at best. Hinrich is another year closer to becoming an assistant coach. That's how deep the rotation gets.

and you have to factor in the starting 5 hasn't had many minutes on the floor together (including last year + this preseason)...

Deng's 3s isn't up to par yet but his overall shooting is just slightly down as TS% suggests. Noah's more of defensive force and Bulls have been pretty solid defensively just like last season. Now, offense has suffered a lot and that's hugely because of Rose's struggle so far.

Nate's obviously going to be missed as he was a solid contributor off the bench but that's minor compared to Rose getting his legs back.

[Andrew]

Hopefully we're not going to see a repeat of the 2012 season, where Rose was battling injuries all year long before the big one that put him out of action all of last year, but the early reports don't seem to be that concerning and the three days off is a spot of good fortune in that regard. I think we'd all like to see more of those shots falling, but a zero turnover game is a nice change of pace after he's struggled with that early on.

[air gordon]

Deng's 3s isn't up to par yet but his overall shooting is just slightly down as TS% suggests. Noah's more of defensive force and Bulls have been pretty solid defensively just like last season. Now, offense has suffered a lot and that's hugely because of Rose's struggle so far.

Nate's obviously going to be missed as he was a solid contributor off the bench but that's minor compared to Rose getting his legs back.

that's just ignorant to just blame it on one player.

Deng's TS% is a career low. even worse is his efg%. now 1 for 18 from 3pt land. even that rookie Bennet is shooting better from him lol.

Noah's having problems finishing in the paint/been useless on the pick and roll. if he can't even do that regularly, it's 4 vs 5 on offense.

no perimeter shooting, no other player who can't create their own shot... all Rose's fault lol

[NovU]

It is more than so because Rose is the heaviest ball usage player for the Bulls that facilitates, scores, do whatever it is to make the team win, he's the system. Do you think the Heat would have any business winning if LBJ played as poorly as Rose? Come to some senses.

[Andrew]

With Wade and Bosh, the Heat are a little better equipped to deal with such an occurrence...2011 Finals aside.

[NovU]

I don't know. It'd be pretty tough for the Heat to survive if LBJ plays for over 30% usage for under 7 PER, unless Bosh does Boozer's fluke 25 and Wade does Paul George impersonation(or bunch role players does 15-18). Deng's shooting has slightly dipped but nearly doubled ast% and has actually higher PER 16 from 15 last season. Noah's at 17, Butler's at 15, both slightly less from last season but still remains effective. You probably could survive for a stretch or two with these numbers but you definitely want capable Rose back.

[Andrew]

Well, of course you want Rose playing better than he currently is. That goes without saying. Speaking generally though, the depth of the Heat and the presence of two other stars the calibre of Wade and Bosh make it a little easier for them to compensate on occasions when LeBron isn't quite himself.

Rose's play is obviously a contributing factor, because he's a major part of their gameplan and he's still shaking off rust. That's not the only problem though and the issues with other players not performing that well and roster deficiencies all add up. Such weaknesses make it difficult for the team to cover for and support Rose as he gets back into form. It's a team game, there's responsibility/blame all around.

[shadowgrin]

Typical LeBron lover.

LeBron can't do it all he needed a better team so he left Cleveland! It's not the individual's fault it's the team!

Rose sucks he's the reason for the team sucking hard! It's not the team fault it's that one player that's responsible!

[NovU]

Well, of course you want Rose playing better than he currently is. That goes without saying. Speaking generally though, the depth of the Heat and the presence of two other stars the calibre of Wade and Bosh make it a little easier for them to compensate on occasions when LeBron isn't quite himself.

Rose's play is obviously a contributing factor, because he's a major part of their gameplan and he's still shaking off rust. That's not the only problem though and the issues with other players not performing that well and roster deficiencies all add up. Such weaknesses make it difficult for the team to cover for and support Rose as he gets back into form. It's a team game, there's responsibility/blame all around.

I honestly don't see how anyone other than Rose is failing to meet the expectation in general sense. This team still is .500 because of them and their defense. Even bench is holding up.

[Andrew]

I honestly don't see how anyone other than Rose is failing to meet the expectation in general sense. This team still is .500 because of them and their defense. Even bench is holding up.

Deng's TS% is a career low. even worse is his efg%. now 1 for 18 from 3pt land. even that rookie Bennet is shooting better from him lol.

Noah's having problems finishing in the paint/been useless on the pick and roll. if he can't even do that regularly, it's 4 vs 5 on offense.

no perimeter shooting, no other player who can't create their own shot... all Rose's fault lol

[NovU]

He made up more than enough in other categories. Real culprit is still a Rose because he's running the offense horribly so his teammates aren't getting good looks. His AST% is career low while TOV% is career high.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2012.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2013.html

[Andrew]

Again, I don't think anyone would dispute that Rose isn't at his best right now and that he needs to play better. But there are other issues, other factors besides him that are affecting the team. Like I said, there's responsibility/blame all around.

[MJALLDAY]

He made up more than enough in other categories. Real culprit is still a Rose because he's running the offense horribly so his teammates aren't getting good looks. His AST% is career low while TOV% is career high.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2012.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2013.html

He was real good against Cleveland though, no turnovers and he could have had 11-12 assists if guys hit their shots. He has no great shooters around him, all the defenders collapse and trap him. It's not like he's surrounded with top end shooters like Lebron.

[air gordon]

Well, of course you want Rose playing better than he currently is. That goes without saying. Speaking generally though, the depth of the Heat and the presence of two other stars the calibre of Wade and Bosh make it a little easier for them to compensate on occasions when LeBron isn't quite himself.

Rose's play is obviously a contributing factor, because he's a major part of their gameplan and he's still shaking off rust. That's not the only problem though and the issues with other players not performing that well and roster deficiencies all add up. Such weaknesses make it difficult for the team to cover for and support Rose as he gets back into form. It's a team game, there's responsibility/blame all around.

I honestly don't see how anyone other than Rose is failing to meet the expectation in general sense. This team still is .500 because of them and their defense. Even bench is holding up.

lol in a general sense.

team shits its pants against the knicks. especially in the 4th quarter. Chandler grabbing one offensive rebound after another. Hey that's Noah's strength... in a general sense. Rose hit's game winner. Bulls win. It's Rose's fault they won.

take out that game against the Jazz and you'll see Deng has been shit. I think Kanter and Favors are still trying to rotate to the helpside.

the bulls should start Luol I fricking doubled my ast%!!!! (in a general sense) Deng at PG. Problem solved. the end. Thanks, NoVu

Typical LeBron lover.

LeBron can't do it all he needed a better team so he left Cleveland! It's not the individual's fault it's the team!

Rose sucks he's the reason for the team sucking hard! It's not the team fault it's that one player that's responsible!

[shadowgrin]

I don't even understand why this 'OMG THE BULLS SUCK because of Rose' discussion when the Bulls currently have less losses than the entire Atlantic conference and the same number of losses as the CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS Heat, Clippers, Warriors, Rockets, and eventual champions Timberwolves.

[NovU]

Translating...

[blah blah blah, Eat shit, rinse, rep[H]eat, three-p[H]eat.]

FFS will you stop crying me a shit river. The Bulls will be fine as soon as Noah shakes off rust and Deng gets his shot back. FFS the Bulls got same number of losses despite all those others sucking except for Rose.

EDIT: Btw, I didn't spot you in this season's NLSC Fantasy league? Where you gone hiding now?

[air gordon]

what are you babbling about now? Dunleavy made a 3pter but it's Rose's fault it wasn't a swish? i'll just assume youre done with that sissy cop out reply

go back and stroke yourself about the trade offers you think are going to happen... in a general sense

[shadowgrin]

stroke yourself

[NovU]

go back and stroke yourself about the trade offers you think are going to happen... in a general sense

Blasphemy as usual. Made the most trades last season, made the most trades this season. What's your team name btw?

[NovU]

what are you babbling about now? Dunleavy made a 3pter but it's Rose's fault it wasn't a swish? i'll just assume youre done with that sissy cop out reply

I told you. Rose-less Bulls blowout win against the fringe playoffs contender Raptors. There was no reason to believe they suddenly declined drastically. Rest of the squad is still capable.

Anyways, I don't know if this article is about right on Rose, what do you guys think?
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-whats- ... rrick-rose

[Andrew]

That article is probably a good assessment of the situation. I certainly agree with the final line.

[Stress Fracture]

Maybe the itch of "domination" is still lingering on his mind? I really don't know.

[Andrew]

A fairly decisive road victory without Rose against the Raptors, but he'll apparently be back in the starting lineup against the Pacers today.

[NovU]

Amazing! 60 to 35 against the Pacer in Halftime! Noah and Boozer looking great against Pacers frontcourt so far.

[shadowgrin]

Paul George pissed off the Bulls with his comments.
Thibs be mad and showed a defense copied off his system is no match for the original.