Lakers Thread

[dada]

fuckup is the choice word of the day.

[Matthew]

Especially whenever Sit and Lamar Odom are involved

[Fresh8]

you kinda sounded like your saying it was more on Kobe why they lost. They had that game wrapped up in the final minutes with excellent shots from Bryant but Odom's fuck-up gave it away.

- Ah... but thats what u think I meant? When I say 'this proves that kobe shouldnt take so many shots', I see it also as a valid reason. Why? Because Kobe Bryant shouldn't be. Of course, I didn't see the game but from what I've read and see on the box score, I come to the conclusion that Kobe demands and demands the ball on and on and on. And when in the second half, there was Garcia who was playing well on defence against Kobe, Kobe slowed down a little bit. And plus, I never said it was Kobe's fault. You're the ones who ar etaking my meaning for a different one. Oh and ur keyword: 'Kinda'

How is that a contradiction? Open your eyes (if you can ). It wasn't kobes fault they lost, they wouldnt have even been comptetive if it wasnt for kobe. It was Odom's inexcusable fuck up that cost LA the game, and thats Kobes second option? Yeah I guess he needs someone to lose the game for him...

- Man, you don't even make sense to me. Is it your job to twist my words aroudn or something? I never said it was kobe's fault they lost. I said that it was the fact that there is no reliable second option. All I've been saying along is that Kobe needs a reliable and consistent second option to help him... So why are you telling me that Odom is Kobe's second option after I said...

The Lakers still lack that second option and I doubt it's going to be Lamar even in the future.

[dada]

Of course, I didn't see the game but from what I've read and see on the box score, I come to the conclusion that Kobe demands and demands the ball on and on and on.

If you watched the game then maybe your conclusion would have been different. He was shooting efficiently for the majority of the game but he started missing shots after Odom initially screwed up and then fouled out.
At that point he was basically their lone option as no one else seemed to wanna take a shot and they were down so he had to at least hoist them up. 17-35 is still just under 50% so it didnt destroy the fg% side of it that much.

[BOSS]

Shitty that the Lakers lost. Didn't watch the game but saw some stats. Kobe hittin 51 points ...

[Fresh8]

If you watched the game then maybe your conclusion would have been different. He was shooting efficiently for the majority of the game but he started missing shots after Odom initially screwed up and then fouled out.
At that point he was basically their lone option as no one else seemed to wanna take a shot and they were down so he had to at least hoist them up. 17-35 is still just under 50% so it didnt destroy the fg% side of it that much.

- Thank you very much. I understand that he's got to lead the team and all. And he didn't shoot a bad percentage either. However, the Lakers still need a second option to take the scoring load off of Bryant. Although he is doing fine on offense, I can't say the same about his defense which I know is getting worse and worse. I would rather have him lower his scoring a bit, just to squeeze soem defence in.

And also with the demanding part... i have also read that. In an article it states that Kobe demanded the ball on almost every play.

[Matthew]

Man, you don't even make sense to me. Is it your job to twist my words aroudn or something? I never said it was kobe's fault they lost. I said that it was the fact that there is no reliable second option. All I've been saying along is that Kobe needs a reliable and consistent second option to help him... So why are you telling me that Odom is Kobe's second option after I said...

Ok, I'll explain it one more time.

The lakers would have won without Lamar Odom tonight. Kobe pretty much carried them the whole way unti Lamar fucked things up at the end. How can you come to the conclusion, from that, that kobe needs a help? It wasn't him that ruined it for them, it was Lamar. His second option.

Stupid boxscore anaysis

[Fresh8]

And do I need to explain one more time? Kobe needs a more conistent second option. Lamar Odom doesn't fit those shoes!

[zmac]

I'll have to go with Sit on this one.

Dont get me wrong, Lamar can be a good player, but one game he will go for 19 10 and 8 and then the next 7 4 and 2.

Same kinda thing with Smush Parker and his scoring. One game 20 next 8.

For the Lakers to become a better team, they need, as Sit said, that second option.
Right now, Odom nor Smush, nor any other Laker, are that person.
Although, I do think that Odom can eventually become the Kobe sidekick, the MJs Pippen...but only time will tell.

[Fenix]

Bosh would fit in nicely .

[Matthew]

And do I need to explain one more time? Kobe needs a more conistent second option. Lamar Odom doesn't fit those shoes!

Nobody is forcing you to. I said earlier this year that the lakers would regret trading butler instead of Odom. But thats going a bit off topic. They dont need a more consistant second option, they just need someone who wont make bonehead plays like lamar did at the end of the game. If you had seen it, you would understand. Reading a boxscore doesnt show that.

[zmac]

Not questioning that u saw it or anything Matthew, but how did u see it, being in Australia and all?

I have to disagree with the Odom and Butler thing though, I think it was the right choice, maybe not trading him for Kwame, but trading him over Odom was better, Odom is more versatile, capable of more, just needs time (I think) to become the Kobe sidekick as I said above.

[Matthew]

I have sources . Nah My mates in LA at the moment, he tapes the games on tv and uploads it onto his pc and sends them to me (and other mates).

And Odom has improved throughout the season. Earlier he looked lost (until today's game). Butler is better at creating his own shot and actually shoots with confidence. It depends on what role Jackson wants kobe to play really. If they want him to be a playmaker, Butler would have been a better sidekick. If they want Kobe to be a scorer, Lamar suits that situation better becuase he is a better distributer.

[Fitzy]

stop having a go at Sit,
i would say that Lamar is a great second option but he has to perform that way.

[Matthew]

Lol you're a spastic. You're saying I'm having a go at sit, becuase I disagree with him, yet you're essentially saying what I'm saying. So ytou should stop having a go at him too .

[Fresh8]

Matthew, here's where you should get it right. The Lakers actually do need a second option who SCORES more... whos more aggressive. Odom is a fine player, don't get me wrong. He just isn't fitting in right now and I am seriously doubting whether he will in the end. But he is a guy that the Lakers should keep because 15, 9 and 5 aren't bad averages either.

When I say I judge through boxscores, it ain't only that. I read articles, recaps and other people's opinions. I've also watch some games and I watch most highlights of NBA games. If I only looked through boxscores... I seriously wouldn't have too much of a clue what's going on... but I admit, I don't know everything that is going on (ie. Kobe's shot selection) and if it was what I said about him that started this than excuse me.

What role does Phil want Kobe to be? He wants him to be on the wing. He wants him to score in the flow of the triangle offence. What does he want Lamar to do? Facilitate. But Odom takes that word for word... he thinks all he needs to do is rebound and pass. Someone should tell him that he should shoot when he gets the chance to and that it's ok to try to score a bit more. The reason why he doesn't score more is because I believe he's not confident in the offence right now. You're right about how he's been improving but still, consistency is what I would judge as improvement and none of the other Laker roleplayers have shown any stead consistency as of now...

If you think that Lamar is doing great to compliment Kobe, you should think again. He's only doing good... why? Because he doesn't provide that second option on offense that is consistent. The proof is that the margin of points between the Lakers' two top scorers is so huge that it's been the biggest in a long time in the NBA.

Hopefully, once the Lakers settle down and get more accustomed to the triangle, that will change. Becuase when you look at Kobe Bryant busting hiss ass off on attack and not playing so well on d... you'd rather have him score less and play more defense to make up for it. Whatever Kobe does, it relates to Odom and vice versa. For Odom to be that 'great' second option, he's got to be mroe dependable. How do you show that? Help score more and help take that scoring burden off of Bryant for the first three quarters of the game. Let Kobe have a bit of a rest and let him play defense. Then in the fourth, let Kobe take over the game. He knows he can score in that last quarter.

Obviously that plan is flawed due to how inconsistent, the Lakers' scorers are. And that's why I had said, Kobe can't do it all by himself all the time. And that's also why the Lakers need a more consistent second option; who can score. If Lamar can develop into that go to guy then the Lakers would probably look much much better. Not just a first round play off team. Yes, they will make the play offs this season... how far they go is up to them.

[Jing]

ew... lakers looll.

[Matthew]

I feel I could have this conversation with you for the rest of my life.

The Lakers actually do need a second option who SCORES more... whos more aggressive. Odom is a fine player, don't get me wrong. He just isn't fitting in right now and I am seriously doubting whether he will in the end. But he is a guy that the Lakers should keep because 15, 9 and 5 aren't bad averages either.

Then Odom wont be that guy. He doesnt have it in him to be a consistant scorer and distributer of the ball with limited touches. Also, you contradict yourself with saying: "Odom is a fine player, don't get me wrong. He just isn't fitting in right now and I am seriously doubting whether he will in the end." then in the next senetence saying "But he is a guy that the Lakers should keep because 15, 9 and 5 aren't bad averages either.". You cant have him as the 3rd option. He needsthe ball too much to be a 3rd option.

When I say I judge through boxscores, it ain't only that. I read articles, recaps and other people's opinions. I've also watch some games and I watch most highlights of NBA games. If I only looked through boxscores... I seriously wouldn't have too much of a clue what's going on... but I admit, I don't know everything that is going on (ie. Kobe's shot selection) and if it was what I said about him that started this than excuse me.

Haha you're such a fucking spastic . "Well excuse me!", you sound like you should be on the Maurey Povich show . Articles and opinions are very biased, all you are doing is regurtitating analysis, and then you contradict yourself becuase you have multiple opinions on the same thing (probably from different sources).

What role does Phil want Kobe to be? He wants him to be on the wing. He wants him to score in the flow of the triangle offence. What does he want Lamar to do? Facilitate. But Odom takes that word for word... he thinks all he needs to do is rebound and pass. Someone should tell him that he should shoot when he gets the chance to and that it's ok to try to score a bit more. The reason why he doesn't score more is because I believe he's not confident in the offence right now. You're right about how he's been improving but still, consistency is what I would judge as improvement and none of the other Laker roleplayers have shown any stead consistency as of now...

I've seen kobe in a variety of roles, from posting up (similar to how jordan played in the 96-98 bulls team) to setting up the offense to being on the wing and cutting through. Lamar has been doing fairly well in his last 5 or 6 games up until yesterday when he made that inexcusible play with 22 seconds left. But you say Kobe "needs help", but it wasnt kobe that fucked things up at then, it was the "help" that ruined it for the lakers.

If you think that Lamar is doing great to compliment Kobe, you should think again. He's only doing good... why? Because he doesn't provide that second option on offense that is consistent. The proof is that the margin of points between the Lakers' two top scorers is so huge that it's been the biggest in a long time in the NBA.

You're knowledge of the nba is so limited its not funny. And once again, you contradict yourself. Caron Butler would be a better fit for them if what you were saying is true, in that last paragraph.

Hopefully, once the Lakers settle down and get more accustomed to the triangle, that will change. Becuase when you look at Kobe Bryant busting hiss ass off on attack and not playing so well on d... you'd rather have him score less and play more defense to make up for it. Whatever Kobe does, it relates to Odom and vice versa. For Odom to be that 'great' second option, he's got to be mroe dependable. How do you show that? Help score more and help take that scoring burden off of Bryant for the first three quarters of the game. Let Kobe have a bit of a rest and let him play defense. Then in the fourth, let Kobe take over the game. He knows he can score in that last quarter.

He isnt Michael Jordan and this isnt the bulls. You seem infactuated with putting him in the role of mj. They are different players, and P.J. is smart enough to realise this.

And that's also why the Lakers need a more consistent second option; who can score.

Then why do you think Odom is a better option then Butler?

[Vik]

ew... lakers looll.

Nice post, nice !

[Fresh8]

Then Odom wont be that guy. He doesnt have it in him to be a consistant scorer and distributer of the ball with limited touches. Also, you contradict yourself with saying: "Odom is a fine player, don't get me wrong. He just isn't fitting in right now and I am seriously doubting whether he will in the end." then in the next senetence saying "But he is a guy that the Lakers should keep because 15, 9 and 5 aren't bad averages either.". You cant have him as the 3rd option. He needsthe ball too much to be a 3rd option.

How's that contradicting myself??? And anyway... like what you said bout Butler and Odom. I've said bout odom and Kobe. Odom plays a similar type of game to Kobe, he needs the ball in his hands a lot to try to create different situations. I already know that he wouldn't be that great of a 3rd option but I already said. Consistency. LA needs a consistent second option on offence.

"Well excuse me!", you sound like you should be on the Maurey Povich show

There's no 'Well'... spastic

Articles and opinions are very biased, all you are doing is regurtitating analysis, and then you contradict yourself becuase you have multiple opinions on the same thing (probably from different sources).

And that's what you get for living in Aussieland... with limited NBA coverage

But you say Kobe "needs help", but it wasnt kobe that fucked things up at then, it was the "help" that ruined it for the lakers.

You tell me he doesn't need help. Sure, the Lakers are winning games but they are still lacking that 'help' that would make them a contender. Don't tell me Kobe doesn't need help. That's just ridiculous.

He isnt Michael Jordan and this isnt the bulls. You seem infactuated with putting him in the role of mj. They are different players, and P.J. is smart enough to realise this.

I know that this isn't MJ and Chi-town. And I know they are different players. But dude... you cannot say that Kobe Bryant going full out on offense and neglecting defense is a good thing either

Then why do you think Odom is a better option then Butler?

Let me rephrase then: And that's also why the Lakers need a more consistent second option; who can also score.

I feel I could have this conversation with you for the rest of my life.

Well, this is my opinion and I'll respect yours. You can respect or not respect my own opinion if you don't want to.

[Doobie]

Kobe Bryant is commited to play for the 2008 olympic team. Good or bad? Don't have a link but I just saw it on ESPN.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

Kobe Bryant is commited to play for the 2008 olympic team. Good or bad? Don't have a link but I just saw it on ESPN.

I think it's a good thing...











... for the other teams.

[Fresh8]

Link

By the way, Weaver! Maybe it will be a good thing!

"I think Kobe Bryant is a player with enough moxie to go along with his talent that he'll adjust to whatever his role is," Colangelo said. "In fact, that's exactly what he said today."

[Fitzy]

I think its a good thing

[Fresh8]

but ron mercers not gonna be there!